Next Generation of Pro Staff is Here; Pro Staff RF 97 Review

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  1. Sander001

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    I never said anything about the Tour 90, that was your own strawman that you conjured from thin air.

    Please look up what a strawman is because you don't seem to know what they are, may help you from derailing every thread. Or else you may find yourself banned again :shock:
     
  2. BreakPoint

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    Well, that's what happens when people you've never met tell you that "you're blind", "have poor vision", and don't have a "decent monitor" and that it's "old". Isn't it obvious that they are just picking fights with me for no good reason other than to tick me off? We all know that the PWS on the new RF97 is hard to see from that full frame pic especially if you don't know if they are actually there or not. But if you already knew they're there, of course that makes it easier to find and see.

    Oh, and I still can't see the PWS on Federer's actual racquet:

    [​IMG]
     
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    the racquets have PWS and it DEFINITELY looks smaller. we can end this now please
     
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    Hey does Fed's frame as seen on TV have PWS or not? I got a definite yes in another thread but it seems to be in doubt here. Yes or no only please.
     
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    What is the butt cap like?
     
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    Geoff better get warmed up.
     
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    Drak any more insight on how much different the H22 is from this RF97 release?
     
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    So Federer will be playing with a Wilson copy of a Head racquet with Tour 90 specs and a vestigial PWS?

    But perhaps with a stiffer, rather than plusher, feel?
     
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    Thanks for review.


    So in short time with frame no negatives?.

    Did Wilson hit home run with this or its one of those until you try it you won't know if its for you.
     
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  13. yangster007

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    Well Federer has a long term racquet deal w/ Wilson, can't exactly switch to Head racquet now. Besides, nobody has patented 98 sq inch, medium stiffness/beam width, 16x19 racquet right ?
     
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    Yes, but it was supposedly engineered for transitioning Head players so it is something of a hybrid, which may now have been further altered with the RF version.


     
  15. yangster007

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    That's the wrong direction, Wilson should be focused on trying to get Babolat users to use Wilson, and also executing all their staff at the racquet styling department. Head's market share isn't even half the size of Babolat these days.
     
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    I have the feeling that this is going to feel like the YT Prestige MP. The YT is 62 flex but it plays much stiffer. The RF is 68 but it plays softer. Maybe they meet in the middle. The YT Prestige MP is the closest thing in feel to the KPS88 that I've hit with (once leaded up).

    Perhaps Drak could compare it to the KPS88 in terms of feel. If it's a lot softer than the KPS88, then it's something that my arm could consider.
     
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    Is it the old style prostaff buttcap or the bulbous blade style one?
     
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    Get a life man and for once admit you are wrong.
    The pictures you posted have absolutely nothing to do with the picture we were talking about. And yes, they are smaller than regular pWS but clearly visible, like it or not. Why do you turn a simple thing into 50-reply discussion??
     
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    So, if I'm reading you correct, they've turned the Pro Staff into my beloved I.Prestige MP? If so cool...I like the paint job and Wilson's players, and my other fave, the 6.1 95's became crap last few years!

    I'll wait to grab one of the "big auction site" a few years from now when the novelty wears off and the Fedophiles disappointingly sell them once Roger fails to win a slam (age related of course) and they blame the switch!:twisted:
     
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    If it is like that I will be excited. I go between the yonex tour g (has some pro staff characteristics) and the Tec 315 (which is basically a Head).

    Id love to see how I play with a bigger sweet spot and a little more power.

    They basically are trying to take a classic frame retain the feel and modernize it. It could be great for a lot of players.
     
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    So if the retail RF97 Autograph does indeed have PWS, why can't you see them on the racquet that Federer is actually using? Are you suggesting that he's not using the retail racquet?

    Oh, and like I said, it's only "clearly visible" to you because someone else confirmed they are there AFTER I asked so you were already looking for them.

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    Does anyone know if the lighter 315g (unstrung) version of the RF97 will also feature a leather grip?
     
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    We don't know much about the lighter one yet, but I think that is the one most folks will be getting.
     
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    You can see them in this picture. And why wouldn't you be looking for them whether someone said they were there or not?

    NoPoint, you lose again.
     
  25. drakulie

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    Thanks for all the comments and questions everyone. I'll try my best to answer or respond to some of the comments as best as I can. If I don't respond directly to your comment or question, it is not intentional, there are simply too many for me to "catch up" to everyones posts.

    First off,,,,,,, YES, the frame does have PWS. Yes, Federer's frame has THE EXACT SAME PWS. YES, even the blacked out one had the SAME PWS as the retail one. Yes, it does seem smaller than previous Pro Staff's PWS. Move on.

    Comparisons to the kps88, prestige mp, prestige pro and some of the other frames mentioned....... The RF97 is simply put, a different animal. It's just different. Although there may be some similarities, the final outcome is different. Whether the user determines this outcome to be good or bad, they will have to come to their conclusion thru their own play test.

    I have not played or seen any of the other frames in the lineup. Hopefully, someone else could post a review of those frames.

    Yes, I do have some video of me hitting with the frame, but haven't had time to download it and then upload it to youtube. I'm trying to do a million things before I leave to string at the cincy masters with Priority One in a few days. But I will try and upload it tomorrow.

    What would I change in the frame? Probably drop the flex down to the low 60's. That said, the frame as is, is very comfortable. I can't remember playing with a frame that has so little, if any vibration.

    Did Wilson hit a "home run"? Obviously, these are comments from posters who are trying to dig at a thread I completed about the Steam 99s. My answer is as follows:

    NO. They didn't hit a Home Run with this frame. What they did do, was somehow manage to engineer a frame that the greatest player of all time decided to part with a frame he has won 17 Grand Slams with. If you could put that into perspective, and understand that pro players HATE changing anything, you'll one day understand what they managed to do.
     
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    Who cares about the PWS anyway? It doesn't really do anything anyway. This racquet is a must-have.
     
  27. MikeHitsHard93

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    There is no way in hell that fed uses this retail frame.
     
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    Not the exact one, but I'll bet it's real close.
     
  29. BreakPoint

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    Because I was looking at the pic before anyone ever said there was PWS, whereas, dr325i was looking at the pic only AFTER someone had confirmed it had PWS. See the difference? It's like looking at a pic of something and not noticing a small detail versus someone telling you to look specifically for this detail in the pic.
     
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    Say Drak, hows the buttcap? Is it old school wilson or the new "knob" style one? Thanks.
     
  31. Fed Kennedy

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    Why not? Most pjs are just old frames...but this is a brand new frame
     
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    Fed, its the newer style cap.
     
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    so this means no more mids from wilson?
     
  35. Say Chi Sin Lo

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    More Six.One, or more Pro Staff 6.0 lineage like?

    Drak, since you've hit with this racquet, maybe you can help me answer this question.

    Wilson keeps saying this is the "New generation of Pro Staffs". We all know that when they say "Pro Staffs", it's really limited to the 6.0 lineage. And the original Pro Staff 6.1 Classic has evolved into its own "Six.One" line. Even though both lines are "Pro Staffs".

    Where am I going with this? The specs of this frame has the body of the Six.One line (more or less), with the weight and balance of the Pro Staff 6.0 lineage. But at 97sq inches, ~21.5mm thickness, an oval beam vs. box beam, and a relatively high stiffness rating (reminiscent of the original Pro Staff 6.1 Classic), this racquet looks more like an expansion of the Six.One line, versus the proclaimed "New generation" of the Pro Staff 6.0 lineage.

    So Drak:
    1) Is this racquet more "Pro Staff", or more "Six.One"?
    2) According to the specs, do Six.One 95 16x19 users have a reason to acquire 2 extra square inches?

    Thanks!
     
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    If it's like the Pro Staff 95, we should say no... More like a Hybrid Grip.
     
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    Hey Drak, have you hit with the Yonex VCTG 330? It's also very close to be called a 90 tour with a 97 head size. I wonder how the yonex compared to the RF97.
     
  39. realplayer

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    Does the lighter version have a lower flex?
     
  40. KaiserW

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    Closest imo seems to be PSC. Basically the same except for 2" and one extra cross.
     
  41. bluetrain4

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    Huh? Can't it be "bad" for a particular user, though?
     
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    Since Drak has strung Fed's racquet, etc…. for P1, if he says it's the retail frame, then I'm inclined to believe him. You have no basis to make your statement.

    On:)
     
  43. bad_call

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    exactly...not expecting Rafa to make the switch.

    waiting for TT staff testers to post their reviews...especially Andy since his opinion on racquets parallels this player.
     
  44. realplayer

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    Maybe that drakulie can confirm this then that saves me a demo. It would definitely clear things up.
     
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    Haven't hit with it. Sorry. :(
     
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    As I said earlier, it's been a long time since I hit with the classic and never used it on a regular basis, so hard to make any comparisons. They do feel very different, and I will add, I've yet to like any of the recent 6.1 frames and not one of them comes anywhere near the feel or on court performance (for me) of the RF97. They all feel very cumbersome and seem to be frames that I have to work really hard to get the frame to work for me. I don't remember this being true of the classic.

    One other thing, the RF97 is not an oval beam, it a flat beam.

    Hope this helps.


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    The rf97 is more like the Pro Staff 6.0 line than the 6.1 line.
     
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  47. sureshs

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    For a bad user, yes :)
     
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    @Drakulie... very nice review and thanks for taking the time to give us this information. Have one question..
    The newer 90's like the PS BLX 90 feel much lighter and whippier than the older ones like the K90 and the blx 90. PS BLX 90, to me anyway, feels more whippier and manoeuvrable than the older ones.
    How would you rate the rf97 in that regard, since it has a larger head with the same weight ...did you find it pretty manoeuvrable, especially compared to ps blx 90 and older 90s?
     
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    How can you be sure of that? Is there a very similar frame which doesn't have the PWS that you can compare it with?
     
  50. MikeHitsHard93

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    I thought that it has been discussed that fed is using an H22? Even if he isn't, surely he uses at least a pro stock variant of this frame.
     

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