NFL 2011 discussion thread!

Discussion in 'Odds & Ends' started by thug the bunny, Sep 26, 2011.

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Who's gonna make the 'Bowl? If you pick 'other', please post your pick.

  1. Pats

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  2. Texans

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  3. Horsies

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  4. Steelers

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  5. Other

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  6. Giants

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  7. Packers

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  8. 49ers

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  9. Aints

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  10. Other

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  1. thug the bunny

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    That's Collins' problem - inconsistency. If I remember correctly, he was good for the last 5 games of '01 to get the Gmen to the playoffs, then kind of stumbled through them, and then of course, looked like a blind pig trying to do calculus in the super bowl.
     
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    I think Collins is a fine QB, IF you give him 6 seconds minimum for him to make his decisions.
    His slow feet take time, his slow decision making takes time, but he has an accurate and strong arm when given time, and protection that keeps him upright the whole game will be rewarded with long completed passes.
    Knock him down early, he's down.
     
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    Niners won again for some reason. Sexy Rexy not so sexy anymore after 4 INTs.

    Jason Campbell out for the season?!?!!? This means the illustrious Kyle Boller is now QB. Bring in Garrard, or trade for Palmer if you have to. We're too good this year to have Kyle Boller ruin everything.
     
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    All right Niners!!!!! At least the Lions won't be breaking the record for going undefeated this year!:twisted: Didn't know Kerry Collins was still around.
     
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    Campbell can play 2 weeks after his bone sets, but another fall on the shoulder is guaranteed to need pins and 6 month recovery time.
    Most clavicle breaks set in 8-11 days. Then it's immediate PT to get motion and flexibility, but it's fragile for another month or so.
    I've broken clavicle's 4 times.
    Every one, back to windsurfing for fun (NOT racing), or motocross (organized racing, AMA or CMC Novice 125's) within 20 days.
    If I was paid a couple mil, I'd take at least 6 weeks off, then limited backup play only.
    KyleBoller is a fine QB who's tougher than that wimpy Jason. Once again, 3 step drops, get rid of the ball on 8 sub 15 yard patterns and 2 flys. NO defence can get in there that quickly....not even LT.
     
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    2 1st round picks for Palmer...we need a QB but not for that much. Palmer was already looking washed up last year. But maybe a new team will motivate him to be good again...this is a big risk.
     
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    Yahoo Sports reporting it as 2012 1st rounder and 2013 2nd rounder.

    Either way it's a high price to pay for a 31 year old non-elite QB.

    BUT, Palmer offers the potential of the most competent QB in Oakland since Gannon. Is the rest of the team good enough to justify this move in terms of guaranteeing immediate success? Questionable, but after the dark days post-SB the Raiders are looking more and more legitimate.
     
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    The O-Line has played well this year outside of penalties, I think Campbell was the least sacked QB in the NFL and of course one of the top run games w/ DMC and Bush. That's going to be the key regardless of who the QB is, DMC has to stay healthy if we want to make the playoffs.

    As far as receivers, the talent is there, just young - DHB has looked better this year, along with Moore and Ford, and Louis Murphy and Chaz Schillens are both good though they are made of glass. Also Boss has been good as TE, and of course DMC catching out of the backfield as well. The talent is there, Carson just has to be ready and do his part, and this trade could work out.

    Funny thing is, I was thinking all year of how talented we are, but that Jason, even though he was playing ok, wasn't quite the franchise QB we needed to win us games with his arm. Maybe Palmer can step in, regain his old form, and be that guy. Will he be like Plunkett and Gannon and revive his career, or like Aaron Brooks, Culpepper, Collins, and be a total bust? Hopefully the former and not the latter.
     
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    What a leader, this Tebow kid.
     
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    NO 62
    Indy 7

    Yikes!
     
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    The following teams should not complete their seasons, they are not NFL caliber - Rams, Colts, Dolphins.

    Kyle Boller should be fired. What a debacle.
     
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    Glad to see my (pathetic) Dolphins took the Broncos to overtime. That's better than my (pathetic) college team did. (Univ. of NM lost 69-0)
     
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    How do the Saints go from murdering the Colts to losing to the Rams? Though I'm happy since I just traded for Action Jackson in one of my leagues.
     
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    Miami blew another lead (groan), but they still look better than the UNM Lobos....:(
     
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  17. thug the bunny

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    Thank God for the Giants' D.
     
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    Colts vs Rams......
    Gotta understand, those two are totally different kinds of teams. The Rams are a traditional running, ball control team with a hustling defense that usually gives up big plays.
    Colts are a first strike, early strike offensive team that lost it's QB, so the defense is NOT built to hold up under sustained pressure. It plays it's best on a give and retreat situation, which normally leads to a score, either TD or field goal attempt, then it's offense's quick score to outscore opponent's.
    Well, Rams decided to play ball control against a spent D, and a real pass rush against a QB who's known for failing when rushed and knocked down early in the game (as in almost all QB's). Not so unexpected, Brees wins because he stays on his feet the whole game.
     
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  19. thug the bunny

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    Yup, he's outstanding against a flaccid D.

    But we saw what happens against a D that brings it. What was he, like 8-25 in the first 3/4 against the Lions? Although he is not exactly surrounded by boatload of talent. I'll bet he wishes they still had Brandon Marshall. It looks like the next few games are going to be do or die for Timmaaaay!
     
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    Tebow has no business starting....Denver working to suck for Luck. Great kid but will be backing up somewhere else next season.
     
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    The good news is if this continues the Fish will have Luck in 2012......bigger issue is Ross a crappy owner and the team a mess In the front office....as for your poor Lobos I doubt they could beat an average Texas 4A HS team.:-?
     
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    Of course the Raiders make Tebow look like Vick today. AFC West trying to keep its crown as the worst division in football, now that the Niners are actually good in the NFC West.
     
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    Broncos-Raiders was actually a pretty exciting game, even if it was because both teams are equally bad!

    I'm undecided on Tebow. Love his competitive spirit and legs. Some of those throws, however. :confused: Even Ana's toss is more consistent!
     
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    Bet 6 bucks on the Broncos straight up.

    Won 18.

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    Eli is going to give old man Coughlin a heart attack. I used to berate Eli for his la-di-da demeanor. But, that calmness translates to the 4th quarter. Great game.

    Even after beating the beautiful Pats, decimated by injuries, no one is talking about Big Blue. The struggling Eagles get more belief in sports media. That's fine. Under the radar all the way.
     
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    Miami actually won a game????? Wow!!!! Miracles do happen!!! :lol: I've come to the conclusion that Peyton Manning is the whole Colts team. They need to figure out a way to work around him.
     
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    I seriously think Caldwell is purposely making the colts lose. If you look at the colt's roster, it looks kind of like colts in the preseason.

    Starting Curtis Painter, who is inferior to Collins in both stats as well as experience. Starting Donald Brown instead of Joseph Addai, who also has better stats than the starter. Having Dwight Freeney on IR, even though there is no injury.... The majority of the Colt's IR list aren't injury related... This is the Colts B team playing folks. Next year, the Colts will be back. Manning will kick as5, and we're going to have Andrew Luck as an active backup.
     
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    Why would Caldwell do that? If the Colts continue to suck, he's the one getting the boot. There's nothing in it for him to suck for Luck, since he won't even be there if Luck ever hits the field in Indy. Caldwell's just an incompetent coach, that was shown 2 yrs ago when he pulled his guys instead of going for 16-0.

    Collins stunk when he took over and is out for the year w/ a concussion. At least Painter has shown flashes here and there of decency. Addai is over the hill and not really that much of a difference maker anyways at this point in his career.

    Freeney on IR? He played yesterday and I don't see any news about him being put on IR.

    The Colts should not be this bad. Manning meant a lot to them, but he wasn't the whole team. Even the Cavs after Lebron left didn't do this badly. It's almost like some of the guys on this team just quit as soon as they knew Manning wasn't playing.

    Manning has to get healthy before you even think about kicking anything. Right now I think his injury is a lot worse than they are letting on. There's literally no chance they should let him go out and play this year. And I don't know if you can just take a year away from football completely and come back playing the same way, even as good as Manning is. But nice dreaming.
     
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  29. thug the bunny

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    How about those Eagles?! I really do love watching them suck.

    I think that Vick is a bundle of raw talent, but he doesn't have the cranial power to make fast decisions and control the multi-componenet machine that makes up a modern offense. But, I guess someone who is into dog fighting shouldn't be expected to be the brightest bulb in the box...
     
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    And now here we are in November, and your Iggles are 3-6 after a loss at home to the mighty Cardinals. Heads are gonna roll in Philly.
     
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    i don't think it's really fair to blame Caldwell for the Colts' horrendous season. Here you have an offense that relies almost entirely on the passing game. Addai was more important to the Colts as a pass blocker, not a running back. If you take out Manning and put in a crappy QB, that changes everything. Immediately after their first loss, it was pretty obvious the colts were running the ball a lot more than they usually do. If they let Painter throw too much, it'll result in more turnovers. The colts are not used to relying on running the ball down the field. That results in more 3&outs, more opportunities for the opposing offense, and a grueling time for the Colts defense.

    You can't really compare the Colt's to the pats a couple of years ago either, when brady went out for the season. Cassel is a very capable QB, and the NE offense is much more wellrounded than that of the Colts. The Colts need a good QB (Andrew Luck). This season would be a big wake up call for the Colts to consider the inevitability of Manning's retirement, so they can start developing a QB who would eventually take his place altogether.
     
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    and why would you say that manning couldn't come back and be what he used to be? It's a neck injury, not an ACL
     
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  34. thug the bunny

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    What a dream team. Here in the Philly area folks are already screaming for Reed's head. As a Giants fan, I want him and dog-boy to stay.
     
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    If anything nowadays ACL is easier to come back from, just look at Brady for example. But 2 neck surgeries aren't good any way you try to spin it. That and Manning was already showing signs of slowing down last season. I just don't see him coming back and being an elite QB again.
     
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    Surprising, in this day and age, QB's don't call themselves some 3 step drops and fire preplanned slants in AND out. Outs become flys automatically if the ball isn't thrown their way.
    All Indy needs is a quicker throwing QB who doesn't want to make 4 decisions before getting rid of the ball.
    And some D.
     
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    Indy actually has some D, but half of them are hurt.
     
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    Injuries can knock out any team of contention, unless the reserves step up.
    49'ers are two linebackers from falling off the map.
    One LT injury to the Packers would have them reeling.
    But Indy just can't sustain a drive or score, so everything is on the D to hold the line.
    Think how bad the 49'er offence is. Indy's is much worst without Manning.
    And teams like the Lions, Bengals, and 9'ers had years of horrid play to get the higher draft choices, which usually take a few years before panning out.
    When's the last time NewEngland or Pittsburg, or Baltimore got to pick top 10 in the first rounds?
     
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    Yeah but the real good teams are able to build through the draft no matter where you pick from. And the bad teams will stay bad if their high draft picks stink. Detroit in the early 2000s had a bunch of bad picks high in the draft (Mike Williams, Carlos Rogers, Roy Williams). Then they get great picks in Stafford, Megatron, and Suh and are back to semi-relevance.

    A high pick means nothing if it's a bust, just ask the Raiders. JaMarcus Russell basically set the franchise back 5 years, if he'd panned out then there wouldn't have been the need to trade for Campbell or Palmer. But the great teams are able to pick well even when they have late picks, just look at Pittsburgh w/ Timmons, Mendenhall, Woodley, Pouncey, Mike Wallace is a Pro Bowl caliber WR now and was a 3rd round pick. The Packers pretty much built their entire team through the draft and I can't remember them having a top 10 pick in the past decade or so.

    My point is that it doesn't matter how many high picks you get if your scouting sucks and you make bad picks, and on the other hand the great organizations are able to find guys that fit their system and are successful regardless of whether they pick 1st or 32nd or don't even have a 1st round pick.
     
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    True dat, but dynasties change, and part of the change involves the draft system.
    Given enough chances, even the 49'ers can get some draft picks right. And they missed on quite a few in the past 10 years.
    And a solid team, say GreenBay of the Favre era, doesn't need to throw an AaronRodgers to the lions right from the get go. They can sit him for 4 years and wait for him to get smart.
     
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    He got plenty smart alright. AR is not of this world. Shoe in for league MVP this year.
     
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    I predicted AR to win MVP before the season began and picked GB to win the super Bowl.

    Currently my fantasy team is #1 because of it..lol.
     
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    I was studying his throws vs Minn last night. His footwork and timing are textbook. He has pocket awareness that must come from ESP. His balls have absolutely NO wobble, and fit into 1sq ft windows. It's not just a back shoulder throw, it's 6" off the back shoulder and 4" away from the dback's hand. Unreal. He makes Brady look like a HS QB.
     
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    I saw this coming a few years back. He was making throws that were so accurate that I had never seen anything like it. I told people right then and there that he was the best, but it is nice to have an opinion proven to be correct.
     
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    Being from Berkeley, and having watched AR thru 3 of his UC years, I honestly thought he was just another product of the Tedford offence, a solid QB with a great OL.
    Remember, even with NFL scouts, he dropped near the top of the first round to the second round, in their eyes. Mainly, he had those 4 years of sitting and watching, learning and getting smart, while other No 1 pick QB's got thrown to the lions their rookie years, with a horrid OL, no D to give them lots of chances, and no talented receivers willing to give up their bodies to actually make a play for the ball.
    I won't rate him above KurtWarner or DrewBrees yet. Those guys, PLUS Kyle Orton, would beat most NFL teams if they had an OL that allowed them 5 seconds of standup time.
    Heck, even KerryCollins IS a solid NFL QB, if he ever get's a team that can give him pass protection.
     
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    The Giant's Oline gave Collins plenty of time. He just has negative pocket awareness and the footwork and agility of a wounded ground sloth with rickets.
     
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    Are you kidding me?
     
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    I am serious. And don't call me Shirely.
     
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    Best now but he is no Tebow, Master of the Drive II!
     
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    So Vick has barbequed ribs, DeSean Jackson is disgruntled, and Reed will stop running McCoy if he doesn't pick up 100 yds on his first 8 carries. But I'm always worried when Philly comes to the Meadowlands..man I hate them.
     

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