Discussion in 'Odds & Ends' started by 10sfreak, Jan 9, 2010.
What a game!
Ha! The football gods did punish the vikes for their unsportmanlike conduct last week! Woo-hoo!
I've got nothing against the Colts, but I hope the Saints win in Miami, just because they've never done so.
LMAO @ Brett Favre throwing away another game for his team.
So incredibly overrated, especially as a post season QB.
What a bs win for the saints, and a brain fart for brett favre for the not running the ball. I would of pulled a elway in that situation and made it easy for longwell. The Vikes are just cursed :cry:
Yep. What got them cursed this year was that last touchdown pass last week against Dallas. Hehehe...lovin' it!!!
You're evil. :neutral:
^^^Yeah, I know, but I LOVE the fact that favre threw another interception to kill his team's chance of winning...
Funny thing is, I used to be a fan of favre's, until he became such a diva in GB, wanting the coach, GM, owner, and all the fans to BEG him to play for GB - pfft! Got tired of him several years ago...
I'm not digging it. I disagree about the touchdown. "Pants on the Ground" cursed the vikes this year. No question.
I hate to sound like a tinfoil hat conspiracy theorist, but I have seen WAAAAY too many calls go the Saints way this year. The reviewed catch at the end of the game looked clearly to me like it touched the ground. I was getting flashbacks to the Redskins game with the Sellers "fumble" at that moment.
The NFL gets their feelgood story, they get a great headline for N'awlins, and they get the matchup that looked so good for most of the season.
Vikes didn't deserve to be in the game in the first place with the 72 fumbles, but that call ruined the game for me.
It looked to me that his right hand was still under the ball, preventing it from contacting the ground. In any case, I don't believe there was sufficient evidence to overturn the ruling on the field.
Didn't care much for the Colts/Jets but I honestly thought NY would win. I am thrilled with the Saints win, even though that "touchdown" didn't look like one to me......
That's really interesting, i've heard about it being considered unsporting in America to rub salt into the wound and keep going hard at a team even when the game is effectively over.
Here in England it's nothing like that at all in sports, if you're winning 3-0 say and the game is all but finished as a contest you don't let up, you keep going and try and score as much as possible. The logic behind it is that the fans pay their money to go and watch their team entertain, why would they want to only watch half a game and then see their team back off after? If anything it's seen as unsporting if you almost taunt the opposition by not playing 100% as you think you've already got them beaten early on in the game
Who knows which is the right way of doing things, it's just interesting that there is such a different view to disposing of opponents in the two Countries.
What made you think NY would win? Rex Ryan's bluster? I was trying to downplay the game all week, but as a Colts fan who saw the way the first game went in week 16, I was not scared of the Jets at all.
Now the Saints, they should be a good match up. Although just like with Rex Ryan, Peyton's had experience against Greg Williams as a DC and has done well against him. He is even more blitz happy and the Saints corners won't be able to take away all of the receivers and Dallas. Can't wait and hope it doesn't rain this time.
Feña14, I don't think it's not a universally held belief in the States either. The Patriots have been doing it all these years and I'm sure their fans are okay with it. The only reason you shut down is that you don't want to risk injuries or turnovers. The Colts are always very conservative in those situations and it works for them, but I had no problem with Minnesota going for it last week. Then again, I don't care about "karma" or other crap like that.
In college football over here every team tries to run the score up. It's called style points.
That was a no catch. He never had control of the ball and the ball clearly bounced off the ground.
at least the last two weeks of the season will be devoid of brett favre pieces/press conferences/ass kissing. on no, wait. he'll manage to keep himself in the headlines and on sportscenter by dragging out the 'will you come back next season' nonsense.
It's already started.
Favre has told ESPN's Ed Werder it is "highly unlikely" he will play again.
And yes, this is from 2010.
Followed up by, it's still way too soon for me to say in the heat of the moment. Ugh. Maybe if he had won the Super Bowl we would've been done with him. Not that I want anyone but my team to win, but it would have been a nice consolation price.
^^^The last three posts demonstrate why I haven't been a fan of favre's for a few years now...
Guys like Favre are the personalities we miss when they are gone. Any predictions on the super bowl? I say Colts 31 Saints 20
Brett Favre has never been a good teammate. Hes the T.O of NFL QBs. Hes a me first player who somehow ends up costing his teams in the long run. In the super bowl they won he didnt have a great game either, but he didnt turn the ball over he had half his yards in 2 palys. It was a Mark Sanchez against the Colts like performance. But as soon as Holmgren left Favre really stared making stupid mistakes.
He has singlehandedly lost his last two Playoff games with stupid interceptions. the kind of plays one makes when he is not thinking about the team, but more about his legacy.
I hardly doubt he was thinking about legacy when he threw that last interception. He was getting pounded by the saints and yes he did make a bad throw, but that would have never happened had they not received the penalty for 12 men in the huddle. That dude is a HOF'r. He isn't a Manning, Marino, Elway, or Montana but he is by all accounts a great QB. Not to mention everyone on the Vikings team turned the ball over in that game.
His teams wouldn't have been in the playoffs without him. No way the Vikings are in the NFC title game without him. The 12 man penalty killed the momentum...not to mention the outbreak of "fumbleitis". If you look at the stats, a field goal from 40yd and out is less than 50/50. From 46 in the NFC champtionship +serious yipps/nerves for the kicker, I'd give it <35%. It was a dumb pass and I'm sure Brett knows it but they're not there without him.
I'm no fan of favre's (not anymore), but I do agree that without him, the vikes wouldn't have been where they were in the first place. Unfortuantely for his teams, he also has a terrible tendency to simply throw the ball up for grabs.
Yea he gets them there, but with his selfish play also cost the teams when it matters. Instead of having faith in his teammates he has to be the man all the time. He has to have all the attention. Throw the ball away and give Longwell a chance from 50yds. Hes got one of the best legs in the NFL. You cant turn the ball over no matter what. especially with 19 seconds left.
Yes he is an HOF'er, but don't forget to mention hes 1st all time in INTs to go with his other records. Brett is the Cal Ripken of NFL. Was never the best at his position, had a streak of playing all the time and compiled the stats. Oddly enough they are both self centered D-Bags. And both probably cost there respective teams from winning more than they could have.
As a lifelong Vikings fan, I haven't been able to post since Sunday. Just had to let things calm down.
I just want to say this. I hate Brett Favre.
When the Vikings were trying to sign him, I thought it was a horrible idea. Just for principal, I didn't want the Vikings signing the ex-QB of our hated rival. It was inviting the enemy into your home. Never mind that, despite his Super Bowl ring, he tended to throw ill-advised picks in the playoffs, often in multiple coverage, often off of his back foot.
Of course, this is Brett Favre, who the NFL has brilliantly marketed as the All-American man. When Brett Favre throws into triple coverage, it's not a stupid mistake, it's because he's competitive, a warrior, and "going for it" - what a real man would do. Nevermind that behind the scenes, Favre is pretty much a diva b*tch.
So, the Vikings wanted Favre. In my mind, this wasn't worth a playoff appearance. It wasn't worth an NFC north championship. The Vikings, even though they haven't won the Super Bowl, have never gone for huge stretches of time without making the playoffs or winning a divisional championship. We didn't need Brett Favre for that. We would have had a playoff appearance and a division championship sooner rather than later without Favre.
The only way Favre would be "worth it" in my mind was if he got the Vikings to the Super Bowl and either led them to a competitive performance or actually won it. Sure that's self serving - I'll accept him if he wins the big one. But, so be it. I'm a Vikings fan. If Favre could get the Vikings something that they have never had (a Super Bowl Ring) or something they haven't had in a very long time (and NFC championship), then I could maybe look the other way and possibly not vomit from the sight of ex-leader of the Packers filling my screen and wearing my team's jersey every week. And even then, I would never, ever wear or purchase a Favre Vikings jersey.
So, it all played out as it has in thousands of Vikings fans nightmares. It was all so horribly perfect, and I believe it was punishment from the football gods for the Vikings organization being so foolish as to sign Brett Favre. Three turnovers by our "leader", including an interception in the waning seconds thrown over the middle like an idiot.
So what did the Vikings get? Nothing. A waste of money, a waste of a year we could be developing our future quarterback, a lame NFC North Championship which we may have won anyway, if not this year, soon enough.
Am I bitter? Yes. Am I short-sighted? Absolutely. Did other players and coaches make mistakes that led to the loss? Of course.
But, none of that matters. I've spent a year feeling absolutely disgusting watching Favre in purple. I'm a Vikings fan, and I don't see how true fans cannot feel the same way.
This was a truly wasted experiment. And surprise, Favre doesn't think that it's likely he'll come back. Unless of course, he has time to think about it, and has the media, for months, covering his contrived decision making process (while he quietly behind the scenes insists he deserves more money), or, unless he can find another desperate team to milk.
He's not worth it. He never was, and now we know. If someone could guarantee that if he came back to the Vikings for one more year, the Vikings would definitely win the Super Bowl, I still wouldn't want him.
And how many turnovers by Peterson and Berrian?
Hate Brett Favre, but he didn't lose the game alone.
there is a little saying applicable to favre that goes something like this . . .
"how can i miss you, if you don't go away?"
win or lose, this guy has managed to keep himself in the headlines for longer than i can remember. "personality" or not, his act has gotten very old.
i also empathize with bluetrain on this one. growing up in chicago, i don't think i could stomach seeing favre in a bears jersey, either. our division is never all that good anyway, so winning it . . . well, everyone takes a turn at it. i wouldn't welcome in a packer to win the division.
nothing would make me hop on the favre bandwagon . . . and this coming from a guy who has had to put up with not having a decent quarterback for my lifetime.
You wouldn't trade a Cutler and an Orton for a Favre? Hell I would in a minute! I am from AL and I don't have a hometown team to root for but I can appreciate a man's passion for his team. Oh I do have Auburn to cheer for....i know, it sucks to be me.
Cancel the Superbowl
As a lifelong Bears fan who has endured 20-some QB's in the last 20 years, I'd trade Cutler, Orton and a draft pick for Favre.
Favre had just threaded the needle on a nice pass before the 12 man penalty killed them. That's a coaching mistake. The fumbles absolutely killed. The guy from Tuesday morning quarterback (can't remember his name-really smart guy) mentioned yesterday that the Vikings were wearing ear plugs. Maybe it's reaching but earplugs will really throw off balance, etc. Anytime you remove one of the senses, food tastes different, balance changes, etc. Maybe it's reaching but what other excuse is there for dropping the football like a hot potato?
That is none other than the tastefully named Gregg Easterbrook
Good post, although I am not sure about the earplug theory. There are probable 20-25 teams that would love to let Favre have a shot as QB of their team. Most all football fans would love it too. Favre puts butts in stadiums. Without him Greenbay would have been second tier(like they are now) for the last 15 years. Win or lose he puts excitement in play everytime he takes the field.
thing about bears fans, they come out to watch the bears no matter what. no matter how badly they suck, or how cold it is. and they're used to having total rejects for quarterbacks. they expect to have a reject quarterback. so would they move heaven and earth to get i guy like favre, on his last legs, who spent his career at green bay, who we hate? i don't think so. if i took a poll of my friends back home, i think the majority would vote "no" on that.
chicagoans have resigned themselves to the fact that we were never and will never be an offensive-minded, passing team. mostly cos they've never been like that, and they've always been in a defensive division. they gave up the moon for cutler . . . and everybody was all giddy thinking we finally got a money quarterback . . . and look how the season panned out. doesn't mean he won't work out in chicago, but i think expectations will be back down to earth next season as far as that position is concerned.
A greedy owner who wants to make money and not win the SB would love Favre. There are plenty of crap teams who would rather have him than the current QB. But Green bay made the right decidion to go with rodgers.
Minny was right to sign Favre they didnt have anyone else. But they also knew with him they were not a legit shot to win the bowl.
Jay Cutler to me will be the next Jeff George. Hes too mental to play QB at a high level for a whole year. And the wether in Chitown doesn't lend itself to his style of play.
And Colts 38 Saints 24
Tom Brady has done quite well in New England. Big Ben has also done well in Pittsburgh and both cities get plenty of cold temps/snow. The Bears just need a good QB. They have been famous for drafting running backs in the first round the last 20 years or so and few have lasted more than a year or two. Cutler is Rex 2.0...blow your mind one game, throw for 5 picks the next.
I think the critics of Brett are being too hard on him. Take away a fumble in the redzone and we're talking Vikings/Colts Superbowl. Take away 2 or 3 fumbles and we're talking Saints getting beat down at home. Even great QBs throw 1-2 picks a game but the number of fumbles last Sunday was, as Chaz Michael Michaels would say, "mind-bottling".
Favre needs to retire and STAY retired. Nothing is sadder that an athlete looking to reclaim his/her glory days when it's obvious that they can't. I like Brett but it's over-go home to your wife & kids and enjoy life.
As for the Super Bowl, my heart wants the Saints, but I'm cheering for the Colts.
Did you actually see Favre play this year? It was perhaps his best-ever year at QB.
Reclaim his glory days? He was a turnover from the Super Bowl! Favre is still living his glory days. Brett, at 40, is still better than 90% of the NFL's QB's.
Lets hear which QB's you Favre haters would put in front of him. Lets take away Brady and Manning.
Definitely Brees, Roethlisberger, Warner; maybe Rivers, Romo, McNabb, Eli Manning. Look at the supporting cast and offensive line Favre has, not to mention the best RB in the league in the backfield. It's easy to look good w/ that talent around you. He wasn't looking as good in New York, was he? No coincidence.
I'll give you Roethlisberger and Brees but I can't but the rest in front of him, including Warner. Romo has one post season win. If he wasn't in Dallas we wouldn't even know he was. Philly fan will definitly give up McNabb for the fourth or fifth straight year. I like Warner but he makes bad throws too. I would put Rivers right behind Eli, last and next to last on your list. Anyway my point is Favre can still get a starting job with 20+ teams in the NFL.
Didn't the Jets have the same record this year (9-7) as with Favre? The same Favre that needed surgery after the season? The Jets were lucky losers, relying on losses by others to even get into the playoffs. And that offensive line sure didn't protect Brett last Sunday. He took more hard shots than I've seen a QB take in a long while but stood in like a champ.
What did Warner do with the Giants?
How many Super Bowls has McNabb won? He's been surrounded by talent. Romo hasn't done jack and the Cowboys are full of gamers. Actually, every QB you listed has been on good teams. A great QB can't turn lemons into lemonade. You always need help. Elway needed Terrell Davis and improved defense. Montana had Rice, Craig and solid D. Roethlisberger's Steelers were loaded in their Super Bowl years. He was basically there not to screw up in his first few seasons. Having lived in San Diego, I cheer for the Chargers after the Bears and trust me, Rivers goes away in the post-season. I don't love Favre or his teetering the last few years but I darn sure respect the guy and his ability.
When's the last time Favre even made it to the Super Bowl? The 90s? That's my point. All this hype for a guy who's only got one ring in all the years he's been in the league. Look Favre is great, but he's not even top 5 all time.
Warner and McNabb both have been there more recently. McNabb surrounded by talent? Besides T.O., he's never had a great recevier or even a decent one, though Jackson is turning into one now.
Favre is so overrated by some. Just look at all the season ending INT's he's thrown to kill his teams.
Yeah. It's obvious favre ''can't'' compete anymore. The vikings 13-4 record, and one play away from the super bowl proves that :roll:
Yes, it was all Favre. The best RB in the NFL, playmakers at WR, and the best D in the NFL had nothing to do with it, all Favre.
Yeah it was pretty much ALL favre. That's what a great QB will do to a team. If the vikings still had Jackson or even Culpepper the vikings would of sucked this season. If favre does not play for the vikes next year they will suck again. There where not many changes besides favre from last season to this one.
Is Dan Marino top 10? Dan Fouts? Tarkenton? They don't have rings. Warner and McNabb are def not top 10 all-time but Favre is. Is Warner in the same conversation if he played for the Browns or Dophins? You can only do so much. Aaron Rogers can't get Favre's old Packers out of the first round of the playoffs. Peyton's only won one Super Bowl in 11 or 12 years and he's practically the second coming to the media. McNabb always had good D and Duce Staley, Westbrook, TO, Freddie Mitchell, Pinkston-not a bad lineup. I trust the opinions of the former player analysts and they're practically 100% in Favre's camp.
How did that "best running back " do the last 5 or 6 games and in the playoffs? I can't understand why Gus Frerot couldn't get the Vikings into the big game, what with all that talent around.There's a reason Childress bet his job and reputation on Favre, not to mention personally picked him up from the airport his first day.
Did you really say Freddie Mitchell and Pinkston? Two guys who...where are they even at? UFL? :lol: My point exactly, TO the only great WR McNabb's ever had, and Wesbrook though servicable is injury prone. And McNabb's still managed to get to 5 NFC Championship games and a Super Bowl.
Now, back to Favre. The guy leads the NFL all time in INTs. That's my point. For all the great he does, he makes just as many bad decisions which cripple his team, and it came up again Sunday. If you're asking, I'd put Marino, Montana, Manning, Unitas, Brady, even an old timer like Otto Graham, ahead of Favre to lead my team, in no particular order.
The analysts all s##k Favre off so much it's become a running joke, so their opinions really mean little on this matter.
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