Nick Bollettieri: Djokovic is the most complete player of all time

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  1. djokovic2008

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    Hmmm. Seems the article no longer exists?

    I have to say that for a player who does everything pretty well, I would agree with him. But Djokovic lacks that one big shot. Until 2011 I always thought of him as Nadal lite, i.e. he did everything Nadal did but a little worse. Since then Nadal's level has dropped and Novak's has increased.

    So as a 'complete' player yes I think I'd agree with that. Certainly not the 'best' player though.

    PS: that article by Bollettieri was written in summer 2011 by the way.
     
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    The fact he is well balanced on both wings is KEY against Nadal in monte carlo he hit 52% of his shots CC and 48% DTL. He can do this with either shot making it impossible for his opponent to settle in a pattern of play.
     
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    As a Rafa fan, I would say that Rafa's level has not dropped (the exception being the 2011 RG-Wimby season). Infact, he played his best AO and clay season in 2012. The problem is that Nole is Rafa's Achilles heel.
     
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    He was in 2011, but take that year out and Nadal has a commanding H2H lead and still leads the H2H anyway. Hard to say a player is another's achilles heel when he has an overall losing record against them and they are the same age (give or take a few months).
     
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    When he played like crap? Or was that uninspired, subpeak and flat?
     
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    He built most of his wins when djoker was still up and coming now djoker is a seasoned pro things are different.
     
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    Let's see...so tye man who shaped agassi, courier and capriati, all baseliners who didn't posses an all court game and were allergic to volleying, thinks djokovic is the most complete player of all time.

    Somehow, I sense a pattern....
     
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    Erm what about haas please be something other than biased.
     
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    I like to think haas turned out the way he did despite bolliteri.

    Meanwhile bolliteri also trained seles and sharapova.
     
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    There you go folks, you've heard from the horses mouth.
     
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    Rubbish. They are absolute contemporaries. You couldn't find two more contemporary players. What you are really saying is he built up the record while he was better than Djokovic. In fact, I look at it the opposite way. Bar 2011, Nadal has owned Djokovic H2H comfortably every single year. Not even close. 2012 included. I would also wager with you now that Rafa will lead the H2H in 2013 at year end.

    You can't judge a player on one particular year. You need to look at their career in its entirety. To date that match up isn't really that close.
     
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    We'll havve a clearer picture the end of 2013.

    2012, djoker's attacking game was really subpar and avg compared to 2011, even at the AO he won.

    Don't belueve me, then ill remind you djoker lost to slow footed, one dimensional john isner at IW that year playing the most baffling match id ever seen djoker play.
     
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    We might be getting down to semantics, but I don't know if I'd call him the most complete player of all time.

    However, I will say that I've never seen a more balanced player than Djokovic. Where every single shot in his arsenal seems to be at par with every other shot in his arsenal.

    Most players seem to have a signature shot that is significantly better than other shots they have. I just don't see this with Djokovic.
     
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    Agassi said in his book that Bolleteri was not a tennis expert and I am not even sure if he was actually his or anybody's coach. IIRC, Bolleteri basically just ran the academy.
     
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    Same guy, (I can't be bothered to google to find the exact quote), said the same thing about Rafa a couple of years ago. His opinion depends on which reporter Nick is talking to and who won the most recent match. Nick tends to get pretty exuberant about everyone, including potential greats like Ryan Harrison et al. :rolleyes:
     
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    Your a funny a guy next you'll be saying he was the janitor, this guy is a TALENT spotting genius and knows tennis inside out.
     
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    Has Bollettieri ever nurtured a player who was above competent at volleying? I don't think so.
     
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    Most complete? Surely not. Most complete players are all-courters, hence the name. It doesn't mean they are better player, there's a good list of all-courters who didn't got the goods. Djokovic is a baseliner with poor net play compared to his other shots (which are pretty balanced). So no Djokovic isn't the most complete player of all time. He's a great player indeed, that's not what I'm denying. He just isn't the most complete player out there.

    Then Bolletieri loves baseline stuff, and it's even pretty nice to see some players that don't follow this trend in his academy.
     
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    TOMMY HAAS, TOMMY HAAS!!
     
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    If you'd left it at the first part I'd have agreed but it's pretty common knowledge even within the Bollettieri academys that he doesn't know a whole heap about tennis.

    He got where he did by being super organised, running his camps with military drill-style thinking and having a huge whopper of an ego.
     
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    Wasn't he there for like 18 months when he was 14? Or was it much longer? I don't count short-term engagements in my reckoning.
     
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    Djokovic is a complete player insofar as the game is played currently.
     
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    This.

    He isn't an all court player though as previous posters have said.
     
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    Djoker isn't bad at net of course but it seems the weakest part of his game.
     
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    Agassi and Bollettieri didn't exactly part on good terms. From what I remember, Bollettieri hyped Agassi up to the moon like nobody else, and Agassi and Bollettieri were very close as player-coach. It was, therefore, a total surprise when Bollettieri just dumped Agassi via FedEx soon after 1993 Wimbledon.

    Bollettieri coached Boris Becker from December 1993 until August 1995. Marcelo Rios, after becoming world number 1 in 1998, dumped Larry Stefanki for Bollettieri.
     
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  30. Nathaniel_Near

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    Relax folks, ...
    Djokovic is quite a well round player and is especially consistent on both wings with his baseline game. We all know about his strengths but let's look at some weaknesses:

    *Dodgy overhead
    *Good but not amazing passing shots
    *Average slice
    *Average volleys

    What are his biggest strengths? For my money:

    *Consistency from the baseline
    *Ability to redirect the ball even from difficult positions
    *Movement is exceptional except on grass
    *ROS one of the best ever
    *Very good stamina
     
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    His backhand passing shot is elite please think back to the WTF 2012 on match point vs fed and appologize for this statement.
     
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    Not sure about "all time" but his game is definitely very complete and despite the "smash jokes", he's pretty proficient at net, that's why he adapts so well to all environments and surfaces.
     
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    You are nuts. One shot does not make a career. His passing shots are decent, nothing more. Nothing like a Nadal for example.
     
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    No thanks, one shot does not a career make. Gets caught in two minds too often wondering whether to try to pass or lob and often opts for the lob probably because he lacks confidence in the pass, and ends up losing the point off the opponents overhead for a third set loss at Wimbledon. That kind of thing.

    On the flip side he has some of the best drop shots and lobs of this era, though that isn't saying a whole lot exactly at the moment. Djokovic has never really impressed me with his ability to pass. He's good just not great.:)
     
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    Lol, we even put it in the same way. And yes, Nadal's passing shots are truly elite, some of the best ever seen in the history of tennis. Despite him not being tested with them to the extent of some former champions due to how the game has changed, I'm quite willing to stick by this opinion.
     
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    What on championship point with fast indoor conditions with fed rushing the net and you don't consider that elite. I have other clips of him doing the same shot and yes Nadal is a great passer too.
     
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    Relax folks, ...
    I probably have a 100 clips of X player doing an amazing passing shot at X time but probably only 2 of them are elite passers. I don't consider single shots elite, I look at the body of work, the career of a player. Passing shots are not one of Djokovic's elite strengths and they don't exactly get talked about a whole lot either. It's because the things that mainly get spoken of about him are the things that are more widely perceived to be his actual elite top of the class assets.
     
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    The most complete player? Djoko can't even hit a volley. He must have meant 'one of the most complete baseliners in the current era'.
     
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    Nole is a great player but NOT the most complete player of all time.
     
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    Couldn't find an article in the OP's post. All I got was a message emasculating me for finding this Djokovic article
     
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    Really? You again? Let it go, man.
     
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    I respect Nick a lot. But I think he overlooked one key thing. Mental toughness. We've seen Novak get pouty in the last few years, even after assuming #1, and give up in matches. Last yr's French and USO finals, and the 2011 French SF are cases in point.
     
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    I would add the 2012 Wimbledon SF to that list. I felt like Djokovic folded after he lost the 3rd set, as evidenced by his needless error on break point to go down an early break in the 4th.
     
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  45. JackReacher

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    Agassi would have been nothing without his father. The only reason Agassi took the ball so early was because his father directed a ball machine at his feet. All Bollettieri did was annoy him so much that he wanted to turn pro to escape the academy. Agassi's book "Open" explains it all. Bollettieri had no technical input at all. He's just a guy with a lot of money to spend on advertising and accommodation. You throw enough money at the best juniors in the world and their parents send them to your academy, even if you know nothing about tennis.
     
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    Bandwagon jumpers will be bandwagon jumpers. Next please.
     
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    Thank you.


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    Please show some RESPECT for someone who has given us so many champions like sharapova, the williams, agassi and many more you be ashamed.:rolleyes:
     
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    Yeah nick sounds like jmac, whoever is currently dominating, then that's whose botts they lick
     
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    Ummm....weren't the williams sister trained by their father??
     
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