no. 1 ranking

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  1. adil1972

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    does anybody tell me when federer will fall to no. 2 at the earliest

    looks like he will be first person to be no. 1 for more than 300 weeks, either male or female

    thanks in advance
     
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  2. tacou

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    he is #2 right now.
     
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  3. Andres

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    Nope, he's still #1 in the entry ranking. He's #2 in the race. He's still the top seed in any tourney he joins. He's 1,400 points ahead of Nole.
     
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  5. RogerFan1991

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    If federer reches QF at shanghai, no matter if djokovic wins, he will secure 300 weeks at no.1, staying in that position until october 22nd.
     
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    I thought he just had to win the first match?
     
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  7. RogerFan1991

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    Nope, supposing djokovic wins the final vs tsonga tomorrow, his ranking will be 10970 pts, then if he wins Shanghai he will have 11970.....so federer needs at least 165 pts from shanghai to equal that, so he needs to reach QF(180 pts), leaving him with 11985 pts.
     
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  8. RF20Lennon

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    Oh ok! thanks! didnt know that
     
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  9. Evan77

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    off topic but wondering if Djokovic will play in Basel this year
     
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  10. tennis_pro

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    Exactly. So to reach 300 weeks at no 1 Federer needs to beat

    - a qualifier or Zhang Ze (a young Chinese player without a lot of experience on the ATP tour)
    - Wawrinka (most likely)

    That of course assuming Djokovic wins Beijing and then Shanghai which is not an easy task, even for him.
     
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  11. merlinpinpin

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    Nope. RogerFan didn't take the 0-pointer from Tokyo last year into account. It will drop next Monday, and Federer will gain his 90 points from Doha, for a 11,895 point total. So, a single win in Shanghai will be enough. Not that he plans to stop there, I guess... ;)
     
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  12. RogerFan1991

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    Djokovic is not in the players entry list of the tournment, and its not in his calendar, i think he replaced basel for beijing, unles he losses early at shanghai, he will not play basel i guess.
     
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  13. RogerFan1991

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    Ohh, hope you're right....then i can say Federer has reached 300 weeks as number 1!!!...he's not gonna lose to Zhang or a qualy.
     
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  14. Evan77

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    thanks RogerFan.
     
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  15. tennis_pro

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    I never understood the 0-pointers for missing tournaments (or never bothered to check that correctly), I guess you're right. It means that only an earthquake can stop Federer from getting to 300 weeks at no 1.
     
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  16. tennis_pro

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    That could be a very smart move from him. That way he only gets to play 2 tournaments back-to-back (Beijing-Shanghai and then Paris-WTF), while Fed has to play Shanghai and then 3 tournaments back-to-back-to-back, unfortunately it just wouldn't be right for Fed to skip Basel and play Beijing instead, even though theoretically it would benefit him more in the long run.
     
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  17. jokinla

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    Fed's draw looks pretty cake till the semis next week, unless he got overly spooked by the death threat, he should be through to the semis.
     
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  18. Evan77

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    yup, Novak got it even easier than Fed. cakewalk to the final. Berdych might be the only guy to test him.
     
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  19. underground

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    I don't think Doha points will be counted. Since it hasn't been specified that the Olympics counts as a 500 tournament quota. We will have to wait until Monday and see, of course I hope he'll get 300 weeks. :)
     
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    Steffi Graff she not no.1 for 377 weeks? or was it 337? cannae mind but one of them
     
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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_WTA_number_1_ranked_players

    Correct. In fact, TWO women have been ranked No. 1 for 300+ weeks: Steffi Graf (377 weeks, the record for both male and female) and Martina Navratilova (332 weeks)
     
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    Evert's true number number of weeks at number 1

    What would everts true number of weeks at number 1 be if the wta had started counting earlier than late 1975? She surely was the number 1 for 1974
     
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  23. mattennis

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    Around 330 possibly or more.
     
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    Sweet Rogi Dahlin' will be 299 tomorrow :D
     
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    why fed is no. 2 in the atp race, hasnt he won more 1000 tournments this year then djokovic
     
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    Because the race doesn't just count 1000 tournaments.
     
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    How many Slam finals did Djokovic contest in 2012? There's your answer. It's going to be a tall order for Roger to defend (his points) for the rest of the year.
     
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  28. RogerFan1991

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    I just read this in an article on ATP site:

    "Federer can guarantee his place atop the South African Airways ATP Rankings by minimally reaching the Shanghai quarter-finals. Anything less, and Djokovic would overtake the Swiss by winning the Shanghai crown."

    http://www.atpworldtour.com/News/Tennis/2012/10/41/Shanghai-No-1-Ranking-On-The-Line.aspx
     
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  29. Evan77

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    he can stay #1 after Shangai, but the problem is if Djokovic reaches better than QF the gap between him and Rog will be even wider in the race and the race is going to match actual rankings in less then few months.
     
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  30. Gonzo_style

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    He won 3 masters, Djokovic won 2, but Djokovic playing 3 more finals....
     
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  31. RogerFan1991

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    Yes, each tournament in which djokovic goes deep from now on is gonna be a problem for federer.

    Lets suppose djokovic losses in shanghai semi to either tsonga, berdych or raonic and federer wins the title, race would be: Djoko - 10770, Fed - 9920, then if roger wins basel: Fed - 10420, so the gap between them would be of 350 pts, and the clue will be if federer skips paris or not.
     
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  32. Gonzo_style

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    Tsonga lost last 6 matches vs Djokovic, Berdych never beat him on HC and Raonic:)

    Murray is gonna play Basel i think so it's not going to be easy for Fed...
     
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  33. Evan77

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    well, if Fed skips Paris that's 1000 points gone. I doubt it. If he somehow decides to skip Basel that's 500 points gone as he needs to defend both titles. He'll be doomed one way or another, and I highly doubt that Rog will win 15 matches in 3 weeks.
     
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  34. RF20Lennon

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    No I dont think so but im not sure
     
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  35. RF20Lennon

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    If he wins Shanghai he can skip or Tank Paris
     
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  36. adil1972

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    federer strategy of regaining no. 1 slot, he looses early in some Grand Slams, then he tries to win these grand slam next year so that he can regain no. 1 ranking
     
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  37. Prisoner of Birth

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    That really doesn't work. It seems to be a common misconception.
     
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    is tennis the only sport which has no point for the last point of the game, ie whats the score after 40 love when the server wins the next point
     
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  39. Prisoner of Birth

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    You know what, I don't know either :)
     
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  40. ledwix

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    Game. Tennis scoring is a continuum. I interpret that calling "game" after 40-0 means both that the score the server has reached is game (not game-0) and also that the threshold has been reached to put a point on the next resolution of scoring, the set score.
     
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  41. Sentinel

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    60 love.

    10x
     
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  42. tennis_pro

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    I think it's 50 love.

    0-15 = a 15 point difference
    15-30 = a 15 point difference
    30-40 = a 10 point difference
    We need another tenner, so it's 50 love, cheers.
     
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  43. Rhino

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    The last point is either game point, break point, set point, match point or championship point, no?

    Anyway, 300 weeks. Go Roger... Nike needs to release something. :)
     
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  44. merlinpinpin

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    Lol! The new rankings are out, and incredibly, Federer got another 0-pointer for Tokyo this year, as if he were listed for the tournament and didn't go (but it was never part of his schedule).

    Must be because the Olympics, which were supposed to be counted as an ATP500, obviously aren't. Federer is playing three ATP500's + Olympics this year, which obviously isn't equal to four ATP500's. So he didn't get the 90 points from Doha, and, yes, he will need to reach the QF stage in Shanghai to secure the #1 ranking.

    So Olympics are counted as an ATP500, yet they aren't. This just makes no sense. :confused:
     
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    Novak will end this year as #1, and the gap between him and Roger would much bigger than people think.
     
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    The scoring was originally based on the quarters of a clock, thus 0,15,30, but 45 in french was too hard(or long) to say so they made it 40. So it would probably be sixty if that was a point.
     
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  48. not_federer

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    This whole thing is sounding like a student calculating how to get an A grade in a class.

    "Ok, I got an A on the midterm and paper but my attendance is a bit spotty. I think I can get a C+ on the project just so long as I ace the final exam."
     
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  49. jokinla

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    A win over Wawa and he gets #300.
     
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  50. PCXL-Fan

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    Its quite likely that Djokovic will get no.1 before the end of the year, as he's defending no points. Even if Federer does Fantastic and equals hs results from last year, as long as Djokovic does very well himself he'll overtake Federer.

    However if Djokovic doesn't win AO13, its possible Federer will reclaim no.1 spot (especially if Djokovic loses before the final).
     
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