No Grip Change from FH to BH?

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  1. Buford T Justice

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    Forgive me if this has been discussed before.......

    My FH grip and BH grip are actually so close in handle position, that I find I am almost able to not make a grip change when hitting from either side (and therefore hit the ball on the same side of the racquet).

    I am trying to make a mental change to not switch grips, but have a bit of a block in doing so. My mind still always wants to rotate the grip in my hand rather than just flipping the racquet over. But, not having to switch grips side to side is obviously a very significant time savings, if one can pull it off.

    Is this worth learning? And, do any of you guys use this approach if your grips are close side to side? And, how would these grips be classified?

    Thanks for the thoughts----

    This is my FH grip---

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    BH grip----
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  2. BevelDevil

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    There's nothing wrong with an Eastern bh grip or Full Western fh grip.

    Just keep in mind that some players prefer to have the heel pad of their palm in different positions on the bh and fh, even though their index knuckle is in the same spot. This will affect the angle in which the handle fits in your palm.

    I suspect grip combinations such as yours are becoming increasingly popular.
     
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  4. Buford T Justice

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    It seems logicial to do so.......its just that Ive never actually asked anyone else if they are trying it!
     
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  5. Buford T Justice

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    Holy smokes.....I dont think my grip is Hawaiian like his. I have trouble enough hitting a flat ball, with his grip I suspect its impossible!
     
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  6. Ash_Smith

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    Just about every player I work with uses the same grip for both forehand and backhand (well, topspin backhand anyways)
     
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  7. WildVolley

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    Really?

    I had no idea that the Western grip was so dominant these days. Though I see a lot of juniors have more extreme grips than most pros.
     
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  8. Buford T Justice

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    Is the grip in the photos above considered full western?

    There always seems to be some judgement on grip classifications.
     
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  9. Ash_Smith

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    WildVolley - yep, well semi-western anyway, but all mine are wheelies!
     
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  10. WildVolley

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    Yeah, that makes sense. The western grip is definitely good for the high strike zone and topspin. Do they switch to the other side when digging the ball out? (Seems I've gone a little off topic.)
     
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  11. LeeD

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    Wheelies face ball that bounce high quite often.
    JohnIsner, no.
     
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  12. WildVolley

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    From the pictures, I'd call that a full western. I think that's farther under the handle than even Djokovic holds it. It is definitely farther under than when I shot video of Nadal practicing.
     
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    ^^^yeah, those that have the ability to grip switch will go conti for slice backhands.
     
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  14. Buford T Justice

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    Thanks for the assessment/classification.

    I am thinking about trying to bring it back around a bit (more Eastern) to hit a little flatter. This grip is "safe" in that, combined with my trusty Steam 99S frames, keeps most every ball in, but I have found that with speedy retrievers, they can get a racquet on a ball that I think they shouldnt be able to...likely because I dont hit "through" the ball enough sometimes.
     
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    I guess one thing missing from wheelie tennis is the two handed prep grip.
    Not a bad idea, but it's hard when one hand is needed on the wheel for instant direction changes and starts.
     
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  16. LeeD

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    Always been a problem of fast moving flat ball vs hitting a heavy spinning controllable consistent ball.
    Players have faced that problem since the beginning of tennis, and are constantly trying to solve the problem.
     
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  17. Buford T Justice

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    Im too old to be a wheelie, but Ill attest to the fact that the higher bouncing balls are definitely the "norm".

    I learned this big time yesterday when hitting against a very good (top ranked 5.0 in my state) flat hitter. So, obviously hes going to hit a good ball regardless, but it takes a serious concerted effort to KNEE BEND when dealing with that low bouncing skidding stuff. I personally just dont see it very often (and Im guessing many folks dont and thats why hes been so successful).
     
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    Same side

    I used the same side of the string bed with pretty much the same grip on both sides back when my wrist still allowed me to try topspin forehands. I was more like semi-western on the forehand and *extreme* on the backhand. Made for very few misses on the backhand, as well as a wonderful little dipping cross courter for a passing shot. My sense is that it's pretty close to what Henin and Gasquet must use.

    Interestingly, I thought about doing it that way (just using the same side of the strings) for quite a while before getting the nerve up to try it. It turned out that it was no more than one or two practice sessions before it became second nature.
     
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  19. TennisCJC

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    There was a Spanish pro that did very well at the French playing with the same side of the racket. Like you, he had a W and extreme EBH grip. He just flipped the racket over. I think a full W grip on the FH is a bit limiting but if you are comfortable with it, then go for it.
     
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  20. NLBwell

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    Looks like close to a standard full-western forehand grip and not all that extreme backhand grip. Most people do go around the long way when switching grips like this. There are changes to the heel pad position like BevelDevil says and it may be easier to get into position going the long way around, plus it keeps the wrist from freezing in the forehand position.

    Even with my Continental grip, there is a little change in palm position between forehand and backhand.
     
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    Yeah when i found that out about my grip i was so surprised. It just takes awhile. Having a loose grip in ready position, and doing the take back primarily with your left hand really helps. Still i've found the 1 sec extra you get only matters when rallying with the wall or the one time you get a 5 plus shot rally with someone at the net.
     
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  24. Govnor

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    I knew someone that did this, but he would contort his body and basically block/push back the backhand. Looked absolutely ridiculous.
     
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  25. Povl Carstensen

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    Berasategui (not sure about the spelling...). Had a great topspin bh.
    Edit. Sorry, LeeD ao was there before me.
     
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  26. BevelDevil

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    Berasategui used an extreme Western grip (Hawaiian?) on his forehand, so if he had an Eastern bh, he must have changed grips slightly. Btw, his extreme forehand screwed up his wrist. i think this is the same problem that led to Nishikori's wrist problems.
     
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