No more Donnay pro ones? Donnay going out of business?

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  1. mhkeuns

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    Took out the Formula 100 and the APD 2013 today. It's just today, but I played so much better with the Formula with almost everything..., except the first serve. I'm still having a bit of trouble putting some heat on the first serve with the Formula. The rest works great with real nice pace and accuracy. Really starting to enjoy the racquet a lot.
     
  2. Timbo's hopeless slice

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    I tend to just relax and let my serve just happen, seems to generate heaps of pace that way whereas if I try to 'use the power' I stuff it up..

    (same thing happens to me with a Pure Drive, I try to hit the damn thing so hard I lose all rhythm until I just relax and serve normally, focus on a good toss and a deep knee bend, and BAM!)

    using the formulas all the time now..

    still love the plats but I just play so well with the formulas, it's become an addiction!
     
  3. counterpuncher

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    PK Qtour 295 with lead at 3 & 9, leather and over grip is probably the best replacement that I have found. Same level of power, stability, spin and a very plush feel.
     
  4. sixone90

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    I saw Irena Pavlovic using a Pro One OS Ext at the AO Qualies today
     
  5. maxpotapov

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    Perfect description!... 'use the power' -- yeah that's how I mess up everything in my game, not just serve. And when I let it just happen -- BAM! This is too good :)

    And yes, racquets respond in a totally different manner when you don't force them or choke them
     
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  6. The Dark Knight

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    I finished testing the Donnay pro one OS.......

    I did not care for it .....

    The racquet was great on returns but it just did not feel stable enough.....especially on volleys.

    It just felt way to thin..... I did not check the measurements compared to the regular pro one but I'm sure it's the same. The difference must be that the head
    Is larger ?

    I'm not really quite sure but the regular pro one just feels so much more stable and I'm going to stick with that.
     
  7. The Dark Knight

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    I agree the that the strings are more important than the racket. But they are both important.

    Your going to freak....But even more important than strings or the racket is the grip!!

    First of course the way you hold the racket and the angle of the face is going to affect the shot more than anything ! Second is the grip itself......you would not believe what a difference customization to the palm of your hand makes.

    Navratilova had boss worth custom fit a grip to her hand.....she says now she can hit a topspin one handed backhand down the line.....something she couldn't do while on the tour.

    Most of the pros have a custom fitted grip as well. It's insane not to if you think about it.....your sneakers are curved inside to give you arch support....well the palm is not flat hand has an arch as well.....doesn't it make send to give it "palm support" ?

    Babolat had this idea as well and made a grip with a small bump to fit your palm....bit it was silly . It was so slight and everyone's palm is different just like everyone feet are different .....also where you hold the racquet is different for everyone.

    Now what did I do? Well there is this product called the "power V grip" ....you can look it up online because its just to hard to explain.

    The power av grip affected my strokes more than anything. There was quite a huge learning curve. The increased power had me spraying balls all over the place......but once you learn to control the power you will never go back to a normal grip again. It is not easy and you have to stick with it and prepare yourself to lose for months. Your game will however improve immensely !

    I cut the power V to perfectly fit my hand and my game improved exponentially.

    If you try it I guarantee you one thing.....you will see the gigantic increase of power on just one stroke,,,....you will probably hate it though at first .mi literally had so much power that My first ball hit the roof

    But nothing else you will ever try will affect your game as much as the grip....I know you think that's insane .......but just give it a try.
     
  8. microphage

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    Can't find that grip for sale anymore. Website is dead. Ideas?
     
  9. JackB1

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    I had the same issue. Loved the p1 but try getting one with specs that match their published specs? And then...try getting another to match that. Frustratingly difficult. The weight balance and flex specs can vary wildly from stick to stick.

    There are a few racquets that feel and play VERY close to the Pro One. The Dunlop bio max 200, the Volkl v1 pro and the Yonex Ezone Ai 98.
     
  10. jjs891

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    Hi Jack,

    Which one of the three you listed is closest to p1 in terms of plow and pop ? Thx
     
  11. jjs891

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    I have two p1's that are whopping 15 gms apart, all in the hoop. Drives me nuts. I have lead all around the hoop on one and none on the other. Pretty close but they don't feel the same. Ugh!
     
  12. JackB1

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    Probably the V1 Pro. But the Dunlop is very close too.
     
  13. hoodjem

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    You could do a search for a Dunlop AG300 Euro version (16 x 18 ).

    In terms of specs, it is extremely close.
     
  14. jjs891

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    Thanks hoodjem and Jack.

    Both Dunlops sound very tempting. I've never heard of 16x18 AG300.
    Probably tough to find one.
     
  15. The Dark Knight

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    Ok been playing with the Donnay pro one, 16x19, the donnay pro one 18x20. And the donnay pro one os......

    The verdict is the 16x19 on clay and the 18x20 on hards.....

    The os is just not for me.

    I find the os great on returns and pretty good everywhere else....Except volleys.....it just doesn't feel as stable at the net , the control at net is lacking and it's not As maneuverable at The net.

    I have never played with a stick over 100 and the os is no exception . It's just wrong for my game.

    As far as pro one 16x19 and 18x20 is that worth the former you get. Bit more power and the latter you get more control.

    A hard court is fast enough so I don't need as much power...But on the slow clay courts I need the extra zip of the 16x19.

    Truthfully I never understood why the pro's use the same racquet for al
    Surfaces? It doesn't make sense.

    I suppose the best would be to use a standard pro one on serves and the os on returns .....but I'm a bit embarrassed to keep switching racquets and the pros must have a good reason for not doing it as well.
     
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  16. gagaover

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    any news on donnay releasing a new pro one 97 racquet?
     
  17. Knife

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    The Donnay 2014 line seem to be available on their site.
     
  18. vsbabolat

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    Exencore looks like a real tech thats actually applied to the Donnay racquets. Its not fluff marketing like with the other companies!

    **XēneCore™ Cures Plague and Makes First Titanic Unsinkable Ship and Plane - Click To Read More

    Engineered in United States, XēneCore is a leading carbon composite manufacturer. We develop, manufacture and market lightweight, high strength, shock absorbent composites for use in Automotive, Aerospace, Sports / Recreation, and Marine industries.

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    Versatile Technology

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    Strength
    With the use of XēneCore’s innovative manufacturing process we can build composite products with more than double the tensile strength of standard carbon fiber products.
    XēneCore’s solid filled cores add increased tensile strength to any application.
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    Since the inner solid core is formed during the initial cure it is a permanent structure embedded in to the fibers thus creating a stronger bond, as opposed to adding a “filler” which leads to a weaker bond.
    XēneCore has the ability to use multiple cores in a single shape adding greater structural support.
    Light Weight
    Better strength to weight ratio than any other composite on earth.
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    No need for air during the molding process means that a closed loop can be molded in to an object further enhancing strength and rigidity while eliminating the need to glue parts together, lowering its total weight.
    Shock Absorbent
    More cushion when you need it most.
    XēneCore is the only composite to incorporate a shock absorbing material during the molding process.
    With XēneCore’s solid inner core vibration and shock can be almost eliminated, improving structural integrity and longevity of the finished product.
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    When used in sporting equipment (softball bats, tennis racquets etc.) more energy is stored and released to the object of contact (ball, water etc.) resulting in higher energy output and less loss of energy to the users hand. The added benefit to this is less shock and vibration being absorbed by the user resulting in fatigue and injury.
    Custom Manufacturing

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    http://www.xenecore.com/about.htm
     
  19. Bdarb

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    I still wish they branded their racquets a bit differently. It looks like they are made by "xenocore" like it is the Xenecore donnay. Looks tacky to me. They seem to play nice though.
     
  20. vsbabolat

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    Do you play with the Prestige Rev Pro stock?
     
  21. Knife

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    Anyone that has tried/purchased the new Xenecore and can compare with the previous P1 ? :confused:
     
  22. Kal-El 34

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    aside from the look of it being worse the frame plays beautifully. a bit more headlight than previous model but overall very similar
     
  23. Bdarb

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    No, I have lead in the throat, and at 10,2. I don't have a balance board but they weigh 345-347. Stock they weren't very good but I really like them since messing around with some lead in different places.
     
  24. Bdarb

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    Kal, I see Donald young has been playing with your solinco prototype string. Are they planning on releasing it?
     
  25. scotus

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    Well, my arm feels plenty of shock and vibration from XeneCore.
     
  26. zapvor

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    lol yea....just because its a 10 paragraph marketing speak doesnt make it real
     
  27. Bdarb

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    isn't graphene the next space age material as well? ha
     
  28. vsbabolat

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    If you knew anything about how racquets were made using carbon fibre having a solid core is very different. Did not say it was good or bad. Just said the tech is more than sprinkling magic basalt, graphene, or aerogel in the frame.
     
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  29. Bdarb

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    so graphene etc. is just kind of put in the mix as where xenocore is an entirely different construction?
     
  30. Eightmarky

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    I've been playtesting the new Pure Strike 98 and find it hits similarly to the last version of Donnay's P1.
     
  31. zapvor

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    lol man you really are something. you just have to make sure you assert your role here everywhere. if you are going to insult me, at least make it based on facts ok? you dont know what i do or do not know. so try again. you can do better.
     
  32. zapvor

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    oh yea. graphene is awesome. but thats different than tennis
     
  33. vsbabolat

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    I know you dont know how a racquet is made and how Exenecore differs or you would not have made your statement.
     
  34. zapvor

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    lol ok keep making statements that have no basis of facts.

    i know you dont know how a racket is made either. easy! i can do it too!
     
  35. vsbabolat

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    Come on industry insider!!!!
     
  36. zapvor

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    come on Mr I know It ALL and i have to feed my ego by going on Talk Tennis and keep telling people how old classic rackets are way better.
     
  37. vsbabolat

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    I thought I was talking about how interesting the tech in the Donnay racquets are. But you are the expert Industry Insider so you know. In this thread you responded to me posting about the Xenecore tech. :shock::lol:
     
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  38. Kal-El 34

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    I played the new pro one for about 6 hours today. as much as I prefer the look of the old frame, playability on the new one might actually make it the current GOAT racket in its class - and yes I am aware this is a bold statement...

    the feel is very similar to the original pro ones, which most everyone that tried it seemed to enjoy. weight wise is similar, yet the frames are more headlight and swing quicker through the ball. This is nice as they are much easier to swing, and easier to customize if needed.

    donnay will be printed on the new batch of frames coming in, so the brand will at least be in production for awhile, and no stickers on the new ones which is nice...

    i highly recommend trying out this frame at least for demo purposes
     
  39. corners

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    Hey Kal-El, did Donnay decide against graphite/kevlar braid? In any case, sounds like a must demo. Thanks for your report.
     
  40. Kal-El 34

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    I've been trying to figure out. I was told they didn't go with it but the new ones feel more like my pro stocks I had from them than their retails...

    It's def. Worth a look
     
  41. corners

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    Interesting, thanks Kal-El.

    It's too bad, though, that they dropped the stealth paintjob. Black is so hot right now. ;)
     
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    Their marketing department must be expanding...
    They started with outstandingly beautiful frames - X-Blue and X-Black. Scrapped them. Then went to pure black. Still not bad. Classy. Cancelled those as well. Then came lurid decals on the sides (which flake off in a matter of days). Now the new ones look positively ridiculous. Let's see how they sell.
     
  43. scotus

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    No!!!!!! ChicagoJack might have to replace his 15 Donnay Pro Ones....
     
  44. BreakPoint

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    Agreed. Donnay's first line of racquets in the X-series were the most beautiful and highest quality looking frames I have ever seen with that chrome finish. They also felt incredibly solid when you played with them. I have not been nearly as impressed with the subsequent lines and models. They really should bring back the original X-series racquets.
     
  45. Kal-El 34

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    the new ones look better in person than in picture...

    however not nearly as cool as the X series which were amazing
     
  46. Knife

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    Am I the only one who thinks the looks of the new 2014 line is an improvment? The redish Formula looks particularly good, nothing wrong with the P1 either. Now take those new graphene Rads and Prestige, they are really repellent!
     
  47. Don't Let It Bounce

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    • The 2014 Pro One Mid+ looks interesting, in light of Kal-El's review of the feel of the new batch. Is it the same mold as the X-P Dual and X-P Tour? (The specs of those initial 102's appealed to me a lot more than the actual rackets ever did!)

    • It's a shame to see the Platinum 99 go.

    • There has been some discrepancy in the past between Donnay USA's RDC readings of their frames' stiffness and that of the rest of the word. Kal-El, did the frames you tested feel like the advertised stiffness?

    • I can't see a company with the aesthetic sensibility to come up with a work of art like the X-Series ever agreeing to splash the name of their graphite supplier all over the hoop – unless they were getting a too-good-to-turn-down deal from Xenecore for the free marketing.
     
  48. Bdarb

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    x-red is the nicest looking frame that I have ever owned. Still have some x-Dual golds, even those are great looking and I don't like the color. I liked them a lot back then.
     
  49. tennisphotog

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    I have X-27, now the "formula". The X27 is absolutely the nicest looking frame I've ever seen. The matte black finish does not chip or peel like the new formula. Pity that Donnay went backwards in their design room.
     
  50. Bdarb

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    I just don't get how a graphic designer shows them the work up of the cosmetic for the new frame, and the designer is like, "YES! This is EXACTLY what I had in mind!"

    Especially in comparison to the old ones.
     

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