Nole's Going to Get a Look at the CYGS

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  1. winstonplum

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    After 2.0 Nole showed up and went all-world, he still had a lot of competition going into 2012. A very capable Fed, a very hungry Murray, and of course, Nadal, who immediately turned the tables after seven straight losses at Monte Carlo.

    Going in to 2014, Nole's got no Murray (can't imagine he'll be ready to fight for a slam until Wimbledon--he's not a factor at RG healthy), all due respect, but Federer is not winning another slam in this lifetime, and well, Nadal.

    So is Nadal going to bleed for more slams? He certainly wasn't willing to bleed for the WTF. You have to tip your cap to Nole. He played great in the final, but one stumbling "Vamos" on match point is not going to get it done. Let's face it Nadal fans. Each match to beat Nole now takes an existential committment for Nadal. That's why both slam wins this year were mind-bogglingly exciting for us Nadal fans. Nadal had to be 110% all-in and the matches still could have gone either way.

    Is he ready to bleed in Melbourne? Will he be willing to do so in Paris? I don't know.

    Nobody is going to beat Nole in a slam next year except Nadal, maybe Murray by Wimbledon. Nobody has beaten Nole in a slam since Wimbledon of 2010. He's looking lean and mean.

    Will our hero rise again to meet the challenge? Or has he had enough.
     
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    Never underestimate Nadal, especially with the slam record within sight. I feel AO is going to be critical for Djokovic. A lot of pressure coming into that slam. Being the favorite, if he fails to win, it might have some pretty serious consequences. Both Djokovic and Nadal know this.
     
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    He faced weak/out of form/not good on indoor opposition during the indoor swing. No doubt he played very well, but the competiion after the US Open is a different animal to before it (due to most players being better on outdoor surfaces and also being tired after a long season, which didn't seem to bother Djokovic much this season *cough* *cough*).
     
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    Interesting thesis.
     
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    He's not going to win the CYGS, but Murray being out is definitely a good thing for him. But we need to wait until January to see how things actually are (like whether or not Murray has actually regressed after his surgery).
     
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    What?

    10whats
     
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    You can guarantee that if Nadal is playing, he is going to give his all. Murray is a ?, but if he returns to form, I don't think he is far behind the other two. And while it is a longshot, I still would not write Federer off on the grass, especially if he could get some rain during his matches. Delpo can beat any of them. And, let's see how the young guys progress, Dimitrov and Janowicz.

    I think Djokovic and Nadal are 1 & 1a, but there are threats looming. Nothing is a lock.
     
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  8. Who Am I?

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    Nole has won every slam for the last 3 years. That makes him the GOAT, no?
     
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    Sorry. No one except Fed, Murray or Nadal.
     
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    Djokovic couldn't even do the CYGS in his career year. He has only 1 year with any slams outside the Australian Open. There is more chance of Donald Young making the top 10 this year than Djokovic ever doing the CYGS, something even Federer and Nadal were unable to achieve in their peaks.
     
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    I've been calling Nole to win the calendar slam for the past 2 years, I'm calling it again this year.

    Nole for the Calendar slam until he doesn't.
     
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    Well to be fair, if you are ranked in the top 2 of your sport, and at the peak of your power, then it's only logical to assume that you would have a decent shot at winning the biggest titles.
     
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    Impossible.
     
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    Haha, even as a Djokovic fan I find that hard to believe but of course I'd love for it to happen. It would absolutely rock the tennis world if he did it, suddenly the GOAT debate would be in complete chaos.

    But lets look at it logistically. For the sake of argument lets assume he wins Australia.

    Now looking at the FO, Djokovic was about as close as you can get to beating Nadal there in 2013. If he brings that same form to the FO in 2014 and Nadal doesn't bring his best form then Djokovic has a serious shot at winning FO 2014.

    Now lets look at Wimbledon. Nadal's been terrible on grass recently, if he manages to meet Djokovic at Wimbledon I would back Djokovic. Djokovic has also shown he can take everything Del Po can throw at him on grass and still win. Murray is better than Djokovic on grass, if they meet in the final, Murray will probably win. However, its possible Murray doesn't make it due to his back, or gets taken out before the final by the likes of a Tsonga/Berdych/Del Po, etc. Or maybe Djokovic has a really good day and Murray has a bad one and Djokovic beats Murray in a final.

    That would take us to the US Open. Djokovic will probably get to the final of the USO, he's been doing that for several years now. And if we assume that at this point he's won the last 3 slams and is shooting for the ultimate accomplishment of CYGS, then at that point I think he would be riding a huge wave of confidence/momentum and would be able to defeat Nadal/Murray/whoever in the final (Djokovic is also the best HC player on tour right now).

    Overall I'd give it a 10% chance of happening, or maybe I'm being overly optimistic
     
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    I could do a whole post on why Nadal is a lock for the CYGS in 2014 with his new found HC beast status. He is a lock for FO anyway and he is due for a Wimbledon win next year because he will ensure that he won't get out in the first week.
     
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  16. monfed

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    I think the OP swapped Novak with Nadal by mistake. Novak missed the CYGS bus in 11, that was his best chance.
     
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    I think both Nole and Nadal will be extremely motivated in 2014. Nadal knows his window is closing, and fast. He'll be 28 next year. And we all know how Nole felt about losing #1. I don't see either guy getting all the glory next year in this situation, unless Nadal's knees knock him out again. The wildcard is Murray, and he'll be plenty hungry, and very dangerous to both guys, if healthy.

    Delpo seems to have slid a bit at the very end of the season, but we know he can beat both Nadal and Djoker. And Fed, hopefully, will channel his inner Rosewall and show us he's not ready for a walker just yet. If he can recapture his 2012 form he could beat anyone, anywhere.

    Nobody's winning The Grand Slam in 2014.
     
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    Alzheimerer has an uphill battle, especially in the slams (best of 5 is a little bit too much at his age). But if anyone can do it it's probably him, he is a great champion.

    It would be nice to see another Wimbledon final between Federer and Nadal. A rematch of the 2008 legendary final would be for the ages. If Fed can dust off his A game (and his baroness golden embroidery attire) and make a stand, it would cause fans to riot probably, and nothing would be the same after that.
     
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    LOL. You remind of some of my all time favorite poasters like bullz1ll.a, n.sk (who have since been banned :( ). I may stop missing them now that you are on board. Welcome , new user :D
     
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    I'm not sure if that's an honest compliment or you are being sarcastic. But... thanks! :)
     
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    I think OP is trying to jinx Novak.
     
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    :lol: lolwut? Nadal is gonna show up for the slams. He's already mentioned in his presser his goal is to be ready in Australia and he's looking forward to the court being one he feels he has an advantage on, as opposed to playing Novak at the WTF where the conditions suit Novak. Coming from him that's HUGE. Remember after he won the FO in 2010 and he told McEnroe "See you at the US Open?" He'll be ready.
     
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    I think you are incorrect. The AO courts suit Novak much more than WTF. Realistically there is no chance that Nadal can beat Novak on AO.

    AO is Novak's home turf.
     
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    The AO courts suit Nadal just as much. The bounce is right where he wants it. He has as much of a shot at taking the AO from Novak as Novak does the FO from him. Be real. Novak never had to work that hard to win a match in his life last year.
     
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    Novak 4 AO titles, Nadal 1 AO title. I think this speaks enough. AO courts are the less suitable for Nadal of all slams.
    I am pretty sure Nadal will not even make it to the final.
     
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    :rolleyes: I'm pretty sure you'll have an excuse ready if he wins, and will conveniently forget band aids and tissues again so we have to deal with your whining.
     
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    Well, I am trying to have a nice, reasonable conversation fueled by arguments with you, but it looks like there is no use. You prefer to flame.
    Oh well. Have a nice day.
     
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    Nadal has no chance because Djokovic won 4x is a silly "conversation". Nadal is clearly capable of winning the AO. As capable as Djokovic was at winning the FO this year which you still go on and on about... you don't hear Nadal fans still crying about last year's AO. It is what it is, we know he can do it if he wins the big points. Everyone can see that. You don't want to see certain things just because they bother you. I think you need to find out what rational means.
     
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  29. TheTruth

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    Agree 100%.
     
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    Nadal 8 RG titles, Novak 0 RG titles. Does that mean Novak stands no chance at RG?
     
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    He was talking about early round losses for Novak. Meaning nobody's been able to beat him prior to the semis. It's true, I think Novak is second only to Federer in terms of consecutive semis reached.

    But I don't see why Nadal wouldn't be hungry. You can BET he wants to pass Federer. Toni Nadal is already calling him GOAT if he gets 15 slams. That alone shows, the Nadal camp is not 'uninterested' in the slam count. They very much are and they will chase down Roger.
    The question is, can Roger find a second wind at this stage? If he wins even one more slam and Nadal somehow does not get RG for the next two years, it could get very interesting.
     
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    It's a fact that you didn't see Nadal's press conference after the WTF when he said he's looking forward to playing there because he likes the courts and they suit his game. :oops: Needless though, all you had to do was watch the AO in 09... God-Mode Murray stopped him in 2010, injury in 2011, and in 2012 he was back in form and the match with Novak went to the wire. IW, AO and USO are the perfect HC's for Nadal's game.
     
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    Djokovic's consistency at grandslams is remarkable but people are forgetting that he was pushed to the limit (5 sets) at AO, WIM and USO this year. It is safe to predict he will get upset by some hot player in the near future at slams. I hope for the sake of Tennis, we will see a new winner at the top to make it more interesting. Other players diffenitely needs to step up on big stages.
     
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    See Chico, this is why I nominated you as funniest ttw poster :)
     
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    You are not being nice again. Why the flame now? What did I do?

    Those quoted are just a couple of insecure and biased Nadal fans. Lost of them around. Nothing to be excited about.
     
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    I think it's actually possible. IMO, the key factor is the weather.
     
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    one defeat, and this talk ends.
     
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    Why the weather?

    Are you referring to the French Open?
     
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    Yes and the USO. At RG the wind and dampness of the courts. At USO the wind.
     
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    Yes. It will be at Wimbledon. :twisted:
     
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    I really doubt he will win the French Open or Wimbledon to be honest...
     
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    I shall bet, here on Nov 18th, that if Novak stays healthy, he will take the FO this year, regardless of the weather.
     
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    Ummm, let him try to win the AO first?
     
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    Regardless of the AO, I think he'll have Ralph this year at the FO. Besides, if Del Potro is well enough and is in Ralph's side of the draw, I wouldn't be surprised if we saw an upset there.

    And yes, Ralph has 8 titles, lost once, yada yada.... All good things come to an end.
     
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    I actually think Nadal was in pretty subpar form on clay throughout this year. It's probable IMO he could turn up next year in his usual (much better) form and beat Djokovic handily shades of 2012.
     
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    I don't know. Novak couldn't beat Nadal at the USO on hard courts. Maybe...Djokovic, unlike Nadal, is also prone to upsets on clay, .eg - Dimitrov, Berdych,
     
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    Are all four slams being played in Australia in 2014?
     
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    Toughest one will be Wimbledon, his less good surface.
     
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    Hey buddy! Saw you got banned a few hours ago. What happened??

    If Djokovic can win the AO again, this talk will go on. One slam loss and 3.0 will be called Chokovic again :D
    we've been there, seen it all.
     
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