Nole's weapon of choice

Discussion in 'Pros' Racquets and Gear' started by pham4313, Apr 2, 2011.

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Novaks weapon of choice is similar to:

  1. Head PT57A

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  2. Head liquidmetal radical tour

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  3. Head youtek radical mp

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  4. Head speed mp 18x20

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  1. pham4313

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    Pardon me for my ignorance for not searching previous threads, I am just wondering which is the closest thing to Noles weapon of choice out there: PT57A, head liquidmetal radical tour, head youtek radical mp, or the speed mp as advertised.

    It looks to me his racket head size is more 98 than 100, and beam width of 21-22mm, and soft flex, standard length. This is somewhat in line with a customed youtek radical mp.

    What do you think?
     
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  2. vsbabolat

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    The closest you could buy in my opinion is the Microgel Radical MP. At least the mold would be correct. It is a regular Radical MP Mold with Nole's own layup.

    Check out the beam width and the head shape. It has nothing to do with the Speed line. It is pure Radical MP (not YouTek Radical MP the mold was changed slightly).
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  3. Fedace

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    nice looking speed MP. i wonder how much it weighs ?
     
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  4. vsbabolat

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    It's not a Speed MP but it has the very nice cosmetics of one and it weighs:360g, balance of 32cm, Swing weight of 371, and with a Flex of 51 RA.
     
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  5. pham4313

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    Flex of 51 is much lower than any retail head sticks. Just amazing how djokovic gets to every ball with good pace and even sharp angles with his stick.

    I could see that his beam is flat like the microgel radical than curvy as in the youtek. But in the above pictures, the beam width looks pretty thick, maybe just visual effect
     
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  6. JoelDali

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    Scores of Joker Tards buying the Speed MP.

    Its sort of sad really.
     
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    What is the beam width?
     
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  8. pug

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    Unless you work for Head, then it is really great news! Awe well, at least they can buy the same paint job, so that is kinda cool.

    PS. Love your tag line! :twisted::twisted::twisted:
     
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  9. pham4313

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    Beam width is the thickness of the frame, for example, federer tour 90 beam width is 17 mm, while most head prestiges are 21 mm, babolats are a little thicker 22-25 mm
     
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  10. cheers mate :)
     
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  11. Hominator

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    Agreed, but it's the same with Rafa fans, too. Pros definitely move product, for better or for worse.

    Good thing the IG Speed is still a good stick, even if Djokovic doesn't actually use it.
     
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  12. anhuynh16

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    EVRYONE its a SPEED PRO. not an ig youtek 18/20. that racket is 2 bad
     
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  13. vsbabolat

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    It's not a Speed Pro either. The Beam is too wide, head is too oval (The Speed Pro is round like the old T2000), and it has a 18x20 string pattern. It is the Radical MP mold.
     
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  14. rovex

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    The beam is huge, no way is it a speed. Speed's are soo god damn stiff though.

    Interestingly, Leif Shiras said djokovic switched racquets at the start of this year. I'm guessing hes just Ill informed and Djokovic just switched to the IG PJ?
     
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  15. pham4313

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    Is Nole still playing full bed of technifiber biphase? Or has he gone to hybrid already? Looks like his shots have quite some margin over the net, even the flat one (cross court fh) has tremendous spin
     
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  16. Macro80

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    Speed Pro is 16x19. I just bought two.
     
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  17. Fedace

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    how is that possible ? Head doesn't make any racket with flex of 51
     
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  18. Doubles

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    It's custom made for him, simple as that...
     
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    Is this strung weight or unstrung ? Thanks
     
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    Move along, Fedace. Informed people only in this thead.

    He uses VS Natural gut and ALU power, mains/crosses, is this correct, VSBabolat?

    I love that paintjob.... wishing I could put it on my MG Radical MP lol. It would look awesome.
     
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  21. vsbabolat

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  22. The Baseline

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    It has to be the microgel Radical MP. It just has to.
     
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  23. TheOC

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    If you notice the bridge is the same width as the rest of the frame. Microgel and Youtek radicals have a bridge that gets slimmer as it goes towards the middle main strings. He's most likely not using a liquidmetal radical tour as it doesn't have the liquidmetal bumps, however he might be using an old model of the radical tour. Most likely a custom make up with the old radical tour mold
     
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  24. Doubles

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    Yep, that's pretty much the consensus here...
     
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  25. davidl7

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    Isn't that the spec from last year?

    Darren cahill commented that he switched to his old specs, which is lighter, thus allowing him to go back to his old service motion.
     
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  26. F-T-S

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    there doesn't seem to be much consensus..
     
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  27. dr325i

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    Consensus or not -- the fact is that the mold is from the old Radical Tour that he used, flex is 51 and the weight and balance is not completely known since he added the lead strips inside the hoop. The grip is 4 3/8 + 2 overgrips.
     
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  28. Boricua

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    I dont use Head burt the orange color Radical looks cool also:)
     
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  29. vsbabolat

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    It's not a Radical Tour Mold. The Old Radical Tour mold (Radical Tour 630 and Radical Tour TwinTube 630) were the same as the Pro Tour 630 (PT57A). The Mold changed for the Radical MP Line in 1999 with the Ti.Radical MP. The Radical MP MOLD has changed again wit the YT Radical MP Mold.

    Djokovic's frame is off of the Radical MP Mold. Frames frome the Ti.Radical, i.Radical, and MG Radical Mold.
     
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  30. MethodTennis

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    who knows? ask him yourself :L
     
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  31. li0scc0

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    If he is like most top professional players, HE probably hasn't a clue. :)
     
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  32. JOSTAR

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    I think he use TGK263.2 with IG Speed 18x20 PJ.
     
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    a katana and wakizashi
     
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  34. Lefty78

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    It seems like everyone keeps talking about Djokovic's racquet being the Radical Tour mold, but at the risk of splitting hairs, that mold originated with the Radical Trysis 260 MP, not the Radical Tour.
     
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  35. vsbabolat

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    In Europe the same racquet (Radical Trisys 260 MP) was called the Radical Tour 630. The Pro Tour 630 was also from the Same mold as the Radical Trisys 260 MP (Radical Tour 630).

    Nole's frame is not from that Radical Trisys 260 MP (Radical Tour 630). HEAD changed the Radical MP Mold in 1999 with the Ti.Radical MP. Nole is using a frame from the "Newer" Radical MP mold. But not the YT Radical MP mold.
     
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  36. BDAZ

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    i think when people say "radical tour" mold, they actually mean "liquidmetal radical tour" mold, as this is what he previously used from head before he went to wilson. not that i'm an expert by any means, but i believe vs is correct that the mold is the same as the ti. through microgel radicals.
     
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  37. CHOcobo

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    is it me or does his frame just looks smaller than your normal 100 frame? looks more like a 93. even in person at the local shop looks small.
     
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  38. ManuGinobili

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    What Fedace has over 20,000 posts on this forum and he doesn't know Djokovic doesn't really use the Speed MP?
     
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    He knows what Beam Width means, he wanted to know what thickness it was.

    It does look fairly thick, Like a 22mm
     
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  41. vsbabolat

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    The beam design is the same. Also AFAIK HEAD had origianlly said they both were 20mm beams back in the day.
     
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  42. Lefty78

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    ^^^ Aside from the fact that I played with the Trysis back in the day, I also had a stack of those frames directly behind my desk during the 2 years I worked with Bosworth. You didn't even need to use a digital caliper to see the difference between that racquet's beam and the PT 630. It was obvious to the naked eye. Trysis was ~22mm.
     
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  43. vsbabolat

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    I disagree with you. I had back in the day the Radical Trisys 260 and the Pro Tour 280 MP. I still have a Radical Tour TwinTube 630 and several Pro Tour 280/630 and they are the same mold as the Radical Trisys 260 MP. The Pro Tour 280, the Radical Trisys 260, and Radical Tour TwinTube 630 all took the same orginal traditional style grommets. I will get the package for you when I locate them and post photos. The Radical Trisys 260 and the Radical Tour were not 22mm. I think you are confusing the Radical Trisys 260 MP and Oversize beam widths. Because the Oversize was wider.

    From my 1994 HEAD catalog:
    Radical Trisys 260:

    Head Size
    Midplus: 97 sq.in.
    Oversize: 107sq.in.

    Cross Section
    Midplus: 20mm
    Oversize: 21mm

    Weight: Unstrung
    Midplus: 11.4 oz.
    Oversize: 11.3 oz.

    Balance
    Midplus: 315mm
    Oversize: 315 mm

    String Pattern
    Midplus: 18/20
    Oversize: 18/19

    Grip Sizes
    1-5



    HEAD redesigned the Radical MP MOLD for 1999. HEAD made the Ti.Radical MP beam wider than the Original.
     
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  44. Lefty78

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    First of all VS, you shouldn't believe everything you read. When Donnay introduced new frames last year for example, they tried telling us the racquets were all 15mm straight beams, which of course they weren't.

    In fact, a typical PT 630 doesn't even have a 20mm constant beam. Those frames are ~20mm in the head, ~20.5mm in the middle of the throat, and ~21mm at the base of the throat.

    Additionally, just because I mentioned that you don't need to measure the racquets to see the difference in beam doesn't mean that I haven't measured them. I just looked up an old email that I wrote to a friend last year. He had specifically asked about the beam of several models, so I measured them and told him exactly what the electronic digital guage read. There is ~ 1.5mm difference between the two frames in question, FYI.

    And no, I was not referring to the OS!
     
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  45. vsbabolat

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    The Pro Tour 630 and the Radical Trisys MP is the same mold. You can't see a difference with the naked eye. From HEAD, when new from the factory they were they were fitted with the exact same TK grommets number. They take the same TK57 C.A.P grommets the same way. No Mod, no forcing, and they have the same grommet channel design. They slide right in perfectly.

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    Why don't you come down to san pablo and I'll serve you with a defamation suit. Or have you forgotten the stolen pic you put up, with the tag line: he's on peds? I'll be there sun as well at 1, unless you're a little pus ssy. Any of you lost 11lbs in one tourny match? Anyone who can get me this guy's service address I will split any money from the defamation suit. Why did't Tw ban you for stealing and posting that pic anyway? It's a bannable offense if I ever saw one, and it is something that is actionable: using my likeness on this forum, on tw, without my or Yandell's permission, stolen from his site, placing tw at risk for a subpoena, and the only way you knew it was me is if you are coming down to the courts I play at, so you are local. A defamation suit is not a threat of violence, it's a question of defending your name/character, against punks like this. So I reiterate: I offer 1/2 any money collected off the suit for his/her service address/name. I'm sure someone I know has the info.
     
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    Every time you threaten to sue people I am pretty sure that makes everyone on this forum hate you more- if that's possible.
     
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    You know her name, and why don't you collect on the reward? That's one of the things that make me different than most online here, I will sue. And I would win, for totally illegal unlicensed use of my likeness, my pics, and defamation of character, which has cost me status, anxiety, loss of sleep, and loss of income as well. That's the brief. This tag line stuff (saved to disc) will just add more fuel to the case. As soon as I get the id, the suit will be served. Alameda superior court, northern division, room 564, Hayward courthouse. Judge David Hunter will preside. Her legal bill will be about $30k, and she will lose. You know why? She's guilty, and the post, along with emails to people like you, can all be part of the case. (Deleting them won't help, they are all retrievable, so email away.) I guess you really hate the idea, that your buddy does not have the right to smear me without paying for it. The only people who hate me are those who have messed with me, and been paid back for it. I don't mess with anyone first, I just mess last. First cause of action: unlicensed use of my likeness, with the malicious intention to cause me harm. Second cause of action: defamation of character, causing anxiety, loss of sleep, loss of status:( as your post proves, causing people to hate me, ie,) loss of income, time off work to deal with the case. It's typed and ready to go. So tell your buddy to come on down. And why hasn't tw banned pug for those offenses?
     
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    :confused: loss of income lmfao.
     
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    I am going to sue him for being an idiot and ruining a nice thread, and emotionally disturbing me. Just ignore that old freak.
     
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