Noob question - first stringing

Discussion in 'Stringing Techniques / Stringing Machines' started by Poukin, May 2, 2013.

  1. Poukin

    Poukin New User

    Joined:
    Apr 7, 2013
    Messages:
    40
  2. Poukin

    Poukin New User

    Joined:
    Apr 7, 2013
    Messages:
    40
  3. dak95_00

    dak95_00 Professional

    Joined:
    Sep 9, 2007
    Messages:
    838
    Location:
    Columbus, OH
    Most people find it taboo to string crosses from the bottom up but some manufacturers allow for it. Since you are doing 2 piece, it should never be an issue.

    It is okay to finish at the top on the mains!

    Check out: http://www.klipperusa.com/stringing/manufacturers.php

    This site has stringing patterns for most racquets and will tell you where to start main strings and crosses along with where to tie knots and how much string you should be using.

    Good luck! Don't let a few mistakes or the time it takes in the beginning discourage you.
     
  4. Irvin

    Irvin G.O.A.T.

    Joined:
    Mar 15, 2007
    Messages:
    11,769
    Location:
    Marietta, Ga
    Just curious, why do you'd want to string the crosses on your racket bottom up? What you have done worked for this racket but only because it has a even number of crosses. If you had an odd number of crosses it would not have worked.
     
  5. Irvin

    Irvin G.O.A.T.

    Joined:
    Mar 15, 2007
    Messages:
    11,769
    Location:
    Marietta, Ga
    By the way it appears as though you have more than a few missed weaves there. The even numbered crosses must go over every main the odd numbered crosses go under and vice-a-versa. And every cross must alternate over / under through the mains.

    Some new stringers get confused when the first cross goes over the 7th main first and the 8th main the next time. If you have that situation and go over the first main each time (one odd and one even main) it will mess you up every time.
     
    Last edited: May 2, 2013
  6. Poukin

    Poukin New User

    Joined:
    Apr 7, 2013
    Messages:
    40
  7. Irvin

    Irvin G.O.A.T.

    Joined:
    Mar 15, 2007
    Messages:
    11,769
    Location:
    Marietta, Ga
    It is really hard to see with those black strings but it looks like you skipped 8H and 8T when you did the mains. That racket skips 7H, 9H, and 8T.
     
  8. Poukin

    Poukin New User

    Joined:
    Apr 7, 2013
    Messages:
    40
    @Irvin : what do you mean it would have not worked if I had an odd number ? What should I have done ?
    What do you mean when you say the even numbered crosses must go over every main ? You mean that you start passing over a main and then alternate ?
    And I don't want it bottom up, I just tried to follow the example of my other Dunlop, but I must have failed somewhere.
    And I do it in 1 piece not 2 pieces. Thanks.
     
  9. Poukin

    Poukin New User

    Joined:
    Apr 7, 2013
    Messages:
    40
    Thanks Irvin, I saw on klipperusa but I dont understand.
    When you say 7H, 9H, how do you know the number of the hole ?
     
  10. Poukin

    Poukin New User

    Joined:
    Apr 7, 2013
    Messages:
    40
    And what does mean H ? =)
     
  11. Irvin

    Irvin G.O.A.T.

    Joined:
    Mar 15, 2007
    Messages:
    11,769
    Location:
    Marietta, Ga
    When you ran in the crosses you finished on the short side of the racket and ran you last main down the side. If you would have had one more cross in there you would have finished on the other side and there is no (good) way to get the string on the other side to run the last main.

    All crosses must go over every other main.

    It does not matter how you start if you weave through 14 mains and start by going over the first you go under the second then over / under until you finish. Then if the next cross goes through 16 mains you MUST start by doing the opposite of what you did for the first cross so the second cross ends up opposite the first on the the center 14 mains.
     
  12. Irvin

    Irvin G.O.A.T.

    Joined:
    Mar 15, 2007
    Messages:
    11,769
    Location:
    Marietta, Ga
    One piece is good do you use sets or cut from a reel?
     
  13. Irvin

    Irvin G.O.A.T.

    Joined:
    Mar 15, 2007
    Messages:
    11,769
    Location:
    Marietta, Ga
    H = Head T = Throat or some times you see T = Top and B = Bottom. F you see H&T then it is head and throat if you see T&B it is top and bottom

    EDIT: Also most of the time the grommet holes count from the center out. So there are two 1H grommet holes one on each side of the frame on each side of the center. Bottom same thing there on two 1T grommet holes one on each side of center.
     
    Last edited: May 2, 2013
  14. Poukin

    Poukin New User

    Joined:
    Apr 7, 2013
    Messages:
    40
    Ok I understood : you count the hole since the middle. I think I did well passing H7,9 at the top and 8 at the bottom.
     
  15. Poukin

    Poukin New User

    Joined:
    Apr 7, 2013
    Messages:
    40
    Im using sets.
     
  16. Poukin

    Poukin New User

    Joined:
    Apr 7, 2013
    Messages:
    40
    Thanks Irvin it gets far more clearer in my head.
     
  17. Poukin

    Poukin New User

    Joined:
    Apr 7, 2013
    Messages:
    40
    Last question : I leaved my racket all night and day with just mains stringed up, do I have to make it again or its okay if I do crosses tonight ?
     
  18. Irvin

    Irvin G.O.A.T.

    Joined:
    Mar 15, 2007
    Messages:
    11,769
    Location:
    Marietta, Ga
    Assuming you do not have a starting clamp, rather than using your normal one piece pattern I would use 7 racket lengths of string for the short side. Run in three mains on the short side, 5 mains on the long side, then the last five mains on the short side. When you clamp the last two outside mains on the short side clamp them below 12H so you can run in the fourth cross. Pre weave the fourth and third crosses with the short side and double pull them. Clamp the two crosses together with enough room to clamp the the fifth cross later to the fourth. DON'T REMOVE THAT CLAMP UNTIL ALL THE LOWER CROSSES ARE DONE AND TIED OFF. Now run in the last three mains on the long side and use the long side to run the fifth to bottom cross and tie off.

    Now comes a problem the third and fourth crosses do not have full tension. So tension the third cross again and clamp the fourth to the fifth. Pull the third cross out enough to have a loop and reaches the tensioner and tension the fourth cross. Continue to weave and tie off the top crosses.

    If you use the flying clamps from the bottom they will not twist and distort the strings as much.
     
  19. Irvin

    Irvin G.O.A.T.

    Joined:
    Mar 15, 2007
    Messages:
    11,769
    Location:
    Marietta, Ga
    Don't do that again! String the complete racket in one sitting. It should be OK.
     
  20. Poukin

    Poukin New User

    Joined:
    Apr 7, 2013
    Messages:
    40
  21. Poukin

    Poukin New User

    Joined:
    Apr 7, 2013
    Messages:
    40
    This is one string or 2 string pattern what you say ?
     
  22. Poukin

    Poukin New User

    Joined:
    Apr 7, 2013
    Messages:
    40
    And why do you use 7 lengths for short side whereas you need 8 mains + 4 crosses ?
     
  23. Irvin

    Irvin G.O.A.T.

    Joined:
    Mar 15, 2007
    Messages:
    11,769
    Location:
    Marietta, Ga
    Actually I made a mistake, maybe. I thought your racket skipped 7&9H but you skipped only 8H. I use the short side to rn the second cross below the upside main. Since the short side is 7 racket lengths long you use it to run in all the top crosses which would be either thre or four crosses on most frames. The number of crosses ran with the short side is all the grommet holes skipped at the top plus two crosses. Sometimes that may require more than 7 racket lengths.
     
  24. Irvin

    Irvin G.O.A.T.

    Joined:
    Mar 15, 2007
    Messages:
    11,769
    Location:
    Marietta, Ga
    Because it works for most frames.
     
  25. Irvin

    Irvin G.O.A.T.

    Joined:
    Mar 15, 2007
    Messages:
    11,769
    Location:
    Marietta, Ga
    Not sure what the question is here. I always prefer two piece stringing but I don't have flying clamps as you do and I have a starting clamp.
     
    Last edited: May 2, 2013
  26. Poukin

    Poukin New User

    Joined:
    Apr 7, 2013
    Messages:
    40
  27. Rabbit

    Rabbit G.O.A.T.

    Joined:
    Feb 11, 2004
    Messages:
    12,533
    Location:
    at the bottom of every hill I come to
    Hi. it looks like there is room at the top to get the string in. If you will, cut the end of the string you're trying to get through there at as an extreme an angle as you can. The goal here is to have it as thin at the tip as possible. Once you do that, it should slide right through.
     
  28. Poukin

    Poukin New User

    Joined:
    Apr 7, 2013
    Messages:
    40
    I cant make it i dont have the room
     
  29. Irvin

    Irvin G.O.A.T.

    Joined:
    Mar 15, 2007
    Messages:
    11,769
    Location:
    Marietta, Ga
    Once he gets the string through the hole (which should not be a problem) where is he going to go with it?

    Dunlop Bio 200 Tour:

    String Pattern:
    16 Mains / 18 Crosses
    Mains skip: 7H,9H,8T
    One Piece
    No Shared Holes

    The OP skipped 8H only.

    EDIT: The racket appears to be strung and he left out a cross at the top.
     
  30. Irvin

    Irvin G.O.A.T.

    Joined:
    Mar 15, 2007
    Messages:
    11,769
    Location:
    Marietta, Ga
    Did you skip grommet holes 7&9H or did you just skip 8H?
     
  31. Rabbit

    Rabbit G.O.A.T.

    Joined:
    Feb 11, 2004
    Messages:
    12,533
    Location:
    at the bottom of every hill I come to
    at this point, you might be well served to cut the string out and start over.
     
  32. Poukin

    Poukin New User

    Joined:
    Apr 7, 2013
    Messages:
    40
  33. Irvin

    Irvin G.O.A.T.

    Joined:
    Mar 15, 2007
    Messages:
    11,769
    Location:
    Marietta, Ga
    Looks like he did

    This one looks like it is strung correctly. Continue from the 3rd to 4th cross and go down the racket. I will try to show you what I was talking about later.
     
  34. Poukin

    Poukin New User

    Joined:
    Apr 7, 2013
    Messages:
    40
  35. beernutz

    beernutz Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Aug 16, 2005
    Messages:
    4,397
    Location:
    expanding my Ignore List
    Do you have an awl you can use to separate the two blocking strings just enough to slide the trimmed end of your first cross string through the opening?
     
  36. Poukin

    Poukin New User

    Joined:
    Apr 7, 2013
    Messages:
    40
    Yep I did that beernutz. After finished the stringjob the string before the knot is very loose, I can move it easily with my hand, I don't really know why.
     
  37. Poukin

    Poukin New User

    Joined:
    Apr 7, 2013
    Messages:
    40
    The string at the bottom of the frame.
     
  38. Irvin

    Irvin G.O.A.T.

    Joined:
    Mar 15, 2007
    Messages:
    11,769
    Location:
    Marietta, Ga
    So there is a string going over each end of the bumper guard.
     
  39. Poukin

    Poukin New User

    Joined:
    Apr 7, 2013
    Messages:
    40
    I dont understand what you m'en ?
     
  40. coachrick

    coachrick Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Feb 19, 2004
    Messages:
    2,157
    Location:
    Austin, hook 'em, Texas
    I'm worn out just from reading this one :)
     
  41. Irvin

    Irvin G.O.A.T.

    Joined:
    Mar 15, 2007
    Messages:
    11,769
    Location:
    Marietta, Ga
    If you don't skip a cross there will be one side of the bumper guard that does not have a string over the end. Don't worry about it with flying clamps you would have a very hard time tensioning the strings and holding them.
     
  42. Poukin

    Poukin New User

    Joined:
    Apr 7, 2013
    Messages:
    40
    I don't get it ; I did it cross by cross, without jumping 4th cross, and all my holes are filled ; I finish with a loop at the last hole.
     
  43. Poukin

    Poukin New User

    Joined:
    Apr 7, 2013
    Messages:
    40
    Oh I understand what you say ; on one side of the bumper guard does not have a string over the end. That's right, but why is a problem ?
     
  44. Irvin

    Irvin G.O.A.T.

    Joined:
    Mar 15, 2007
    Messages:
    11,769
    Location:
    Marietta, Ga
    IMO it is not a problem.
     
  45. Irvin

    Irvin G.O.A.T.

    Joined:
    Mar 15, 2007
    Messages:
    11,769
    Location:
    Marietta, Ga
    'Poukin' I am about to string a Dunlop Aerogel 200. I know it is not your racket but it is the same pattern. Would you like to see a video? Any thing special you want to see?
     
  46. Poukin

    Poukin New User

    Joined:
    Apr 7, 2013
    Messages:
    40
    Hi Irvin. I would be happy to see you stringing. I strung a Biomimetic 200 tour, not sure if the Aerogel is the same pattern (19 X 20 ?)
    Anyway I would see how you do the knots, how do you start (I have flying clamps and no starting clamp), I mean do you clamp one or 2 strings at the beginning ?
    That's it for 2 knots method, next time I will try 4 knots !
    Thanks !
     
  47. Poukin

    Poukin New User

    Joined:
    Apr 7, 2013
    Messages:
    40
    Not 19 X 20 but 18 X 20 for the regular AG200 ?
     
  48. Poukin

    Poukin New User

    Joined:
    Apr 7, 2013
    Messages:
    40
    Do you think I damaged the frame leaving it on the stringer 2 days with all mains + 3 crosses ?
     
  49. Irvin

    Irvin G.O.A.T.

    Joined:
    Mar 15, 2007
    Messages:
    11,769
    Location:
    Marietta, Ga
    Let's just say it wasn't good for the frame.
     
  50. ben123

    ben123 Professional

    Joined:
    May 6, 2011
    Messages:
    1,172
    uhm might be another noob question:

    i always strung 16x19 babolats 1 piece bottom up. http://babolat-extrafiles.s3.amazonaws.com/files/products/stringingpattern.pdf

    is there any problem? or smth that i should know lol ^^?
     

Share This Page