Novak and Nadal need to watch Tsonga-Blake

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  1. tennisaddict

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    Novak and Nadal , known for their boring baseline grinding, need to watch Blake and Tsonga to see how entertaining tennis is to be played.

    Sheer athleticism, movement, powerful strokes, no moon balling , attacking gam it has everything.
     
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  2. beast of mallorca

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    How many Majors do Blake and Tsonga have again?
    I forgot.............:twisted:
     
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    You watch matches of only major winners ?

    If so, watch the matches of someone who has as many majors as Nadal and Novak combined.
     
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  4. bluetrain4

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    Lol. I agree. Yes, Blake-Tsonga is more exciting in a way, but not necessarily more effective in terms of winning majors. If they could combine their huge hitting, keep that the focus of their game, but have the occasional spots of not going for broke and playing a little grinding defense, they'd be set.
     
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  5. OrangePower

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    This is a hugely entertaining match. Lots of shotmaking.

    But high-level grinding wins more matches these days. Pity, but that's the way it is.

    Can you imagine Mac and Becker on today's slow courts?
     
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  6. beast of mallorca

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    I do watch 'em, and I enjoy both styles. That's why I pity you .....:twisted:
     
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  7. Murrayfan31

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    This is an insult. Djokovic considered a grinder? He is way more aggressive than Nadal.
     
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  8. tennisbuck

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    Does anyone have an online live stream for the Blake tsonga match?
     
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    Sure, Novak and Rafa should ask Tsonga/Blake how to improve their game so as to become #1. Oh wait...
     
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  10. beast of mallorca

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    Nadal and Djoke can both be grinders but also can both be aggressive. Nadal's aggression seems more like grinding since he elevates the grunt with an annoying squeal, but he still hits 95 mph or more on the forehand and spreads the court wide very effectively when he is confident. Overall I'd say Djokovic is aggressive more of the time, especially in their H2H matches, when Nadal makes Djokovic look like the Federer of their match-up.
     
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  12. Onehandedbackhand

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    You are telling me that two guys with 17 combined majors need to watch an overrated ball basher, and a mental midget, for tips on how to play the game?

    HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA!!!!
     
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    I think the main point was simply that the Blake-Tsonga match was enjoyable in a way that Djokovic-Nadal matches often are not. That's all. And, the poster was excited about it, so made a post with a little hyperbole.

    Nobody actually thinks Blake or Tsonga is better, or greater, or anything like that, or that Nadal and Djoker actually need advice from them It was simply a very nice change of pace from the more predictable matches that we often see (though not always) from Djoker and Nadal.

    Why do fans of the players with the MOST of everything get so bent out of shape when a little attention is thrown to someone else?
     
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  14. beast of mallorca

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    He threw crap, so we threw it back. Fair play, I think..........:twisted:
     
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    Enjoyed the match quite a bit, very entertaining.

    Both gave their all and had quite a bit of everything as the OP said.

    Blake was very motivated and fought till the end.
     
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  16. Agassifan

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    Or.... they could watch an equally belligerent federer who has as many slams as them (Nole and Rafa) combined.
     
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  17. Relinquis

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    Novak is the 'EX plus Alpha' version of Brad Gilbert, i.e. winning ugly. A craven retriever with a heavy forehand he can use to counter-punch 10ft behind the baseline.

    Tsonga Vs. Blake today was far more entertaining than the AO final between Murray and Djokovic this year. It was pure class, with both players showing us top all court tennis. Blake won 19 points at the net, with Tsonga not far behind. So many amazing passing shots, winners and retrievals. They may have far fewer titles than Novak, but I'd rather watch them play then watch Novak play another* top pusher like Andy.

    This is why Federer is such a gift to the game. He plays offensive all court tennis. Even when he was younger and had amazing defense he was still an aggressive attacking player not content to retrieve and counter attack, but rather to take control of points and hit winners.

    Tsonga, Berdych and Delpo are all playing well this year. Perhaps they will save us from boredom at the upcoming slams and masters 1000 events. If Gulbis and Janowicz can keep their run going we'll have a few more shot makers and big hitters in the big tournaments and an inspiration to others. The immediate future might not be as bad as we thought. Also, Nadal has been coming to the net a lot more since his return to the tour. Great to see him develop his already amazing game.


    * Novak's matches against aggressive players aren't as bad to watch due to the contrast in styles, e.g. Wawrinka Vs. Djokovic at the Aussie Open this year was quite good.
     
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  18. Onehandedbackhand

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    I personally don't care that others are talked about.

    My problem is that people here seem to speak of the very best like they are the 200th player in the world, and think that THEIR advice would make them that much for exciting or something.

    Tons of exciting players around losing in the first rounds of challengers, you know.
     
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  19. beast of mallorca

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    I know. So many "pundits full of tennis wisdom" here in TW. Sad really.
     
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  20. Harry_Wild

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    Both have not even won a Master Series tournament before; so I would be ignore you rant. Tsonga best tournament win is a series 1000 in Paris. I think Indian Wells is either a 200 or 500 series tournament. Blake also is in the same league as Tsonga is right now in tournament level wins.
     
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  22. forzamilan90

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    Kiki and BobbyOne should watch it too, real tennis at work
     
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    This is how tennis should be played.:)

    The Djokovic-Nadal matches put me to sleep. Same as the Djokovic-Murray matches.
     
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    http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=7222583&postcount=24
     
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    Well, depends on what you mean by "better".

    Obviously, Djokovic and Nadal are much more accomplished and skilled tennis players than Blake and Tsonga.

    But let's not forget that tennis is an entertainment product. And in terms of entertainment value, this Blake-Tsonga match was (at least for me) more enjoyable to watch than most Djokovic-Nadal matches.

    Obviously it is a matter of taste and others will disagree.

    As an analogy, Bartok is a far superior musician than Redfoo, but most people prefer listening to Redfoo than to Bartok :)
     
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  26. cucio

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    Leave old man Bela out of this, dude.

    And about tennis as an entertainment product, two words: Harlem Globetrotters.

    But what do I know? I feel entertained by Murray's tennis which most people here despises sourly, so there must be something terribly wrong with my understanding of the game.
     
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  27. tennisaddict

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    Thanks, you elaborated it nicely.

    Clearly Novak and Nadal are better tennis players than Tsonga and Blake, but that is not the point here.

    Why does Novak and Nadal play such grinding base line rallies where the point ends by who makes the mistake first and not who makes the winner first.

    Ok , they have been trained that way to play - but given their talent is it so hard for them to win the first rounds playing some attacking tennis.

    For eg. Nadal was moon balling so much to Harrison. Is that needed for a first round against a player of Harrison's calibre ?
     
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  28. OrangePower

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    Actually I enjoy watching Murray also... I like the fact that he is less robotic / more ups and downs than say Djokovic and Nadal, plus I find his general grumpiness somewhat endearing.
     
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  30. tlm

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    Ya everything but a real shot at winning. Those 2 clowns could have a dummy contest who would make the most stupid UE's at the worst time.
     
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    So true. Blake and Tsonga, two clowns if there ever were any. They can't win jack squat.
     
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  32. ALL IN

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    Is that what you think? Nice
     
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    Watch a better one, 2007 santoro vs Blake 5 set epicness
     
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  35. Gonzalito17

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    Blake has always been a flashy, go for it kind of player. Always exciting. Gave prime Fed and Nadal some great battles. He's looking really really good right now, could see him making top 50 again, or higher. Amazing comeback by Blake.
     
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  36. tlm

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    Thats right they will not win anything with their high school type mind set of blasting the ball as hard as they can on the majority of their shots.

    I am glad that so many think that this is great tennis. But if it is so great then why does it not win any tournaments? This is brainless ball bashing with no chance for a shot at going all the way.
     
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    You've got me, I have no idea why people want to watch players who lose consistently. Not my cup of tea for sure.
     
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  38. Relinquis

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    Tsonga has already won a title this year...
     
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    Oh boy, let's call in the marching band and get the champagne and balloons! :rolleyes: :)
     
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  40. 70後

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    I don't appreciate this comment of yours. Disadvantageous conditions to gametype does not make anybody a clown.

    In a true fast court era, guys like these would be making the grinders look like the clowns.
     
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    Sorry if you don't appreciate it, but that is how I feel. I want to watch players win tournaments over and over again, not win a tournament once a year.
     
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  42. tlm

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    There is no era despite of the non stop fast court dreaming that goes on here were blank or clownga could win titles over joker and nadal.

    Disadvantageous mental capacity and non stop brain farts have nothing to do with the court surface. These guys keep trying to hit bigger than their ability and end up losing most of the time because of it.
     
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    I am a tennis fan. I do not care who wins as long as tennis wins. Individual success of itself is irrelevant to me. I do not follow winners. Just because a player's gametype does not match up well in particular conditions and he is unsuccessful with it does not make him a clown. This era has been about winning by anti winning because the conditions have been manipulated for a slow game.

    Let us who prefer this style have our Tsongas and Blakes while you and the poster above you can have your Novaks, Nadals and Murrays.
     
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  44. cc0509

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    I am not a fan of the grinders at all and I would take Federer to watch any day even at his worst over Nadal, Murray and Djokovic, but I can't stomach the Tsonga and Blake players who are mindless and often stupid on court and can't win matches consistently. That is not my thing.
     
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    Winning isn't everything. I used to be a big soccer fan too. Seventies up the mid eighties. Then it changed a lot. It became about "professional" fouls, deliberate malicious attacks to cause long term injuries, not to mention diving, stalling and faking. The ugly game defeated the beautiful game, anti football beat football.

    Guys like Blake, one less will be one less. I doubt the conditions will change. You will be getting more people like Murray and Djokovic however. Another ten to fifteen years down the road and the Murrays, Djokovics then will be even more Murray and Djokivc than the Murray and Djokovic now.
     
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    Lets put it this way. I prefer players on both the ATP and WTA sides who, even if they go splat, make their own road, instead of blocking it. I don't call that mindless or stupid.
     
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  47. Relinquis

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    Question to all of you guys hating on Tsonga and Blake:

    Have you actually watched their match?
    Did you see Tsonga in Marseille?

    Far from brainless tennis.
     
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    Mindless ballbashers and mental midgets is not my cup of tea. I would rather watch players be mentally strong and win big doing whatever it takes to get the job done.
     
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  49. tennisaddict

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    Tsonga is a mindless ball basher ? Hitting hard does not mean mindless ball bashing.

    Blake is a midget ? How many matches has he choked after having match points or serve games ? For his talent, he reached No 4 in the world, which is great.

    Winning consistently is not the be all and end all.

    You should play tennis that is entertaining for everyone. Not just keep grinding from the baseline over and over waiting for the opponent to make a mistake.
     
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  50. Gonzo_style

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    Tsonga2008AO? Or BlakeSlamKing?
     
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