Novak and Nadal need to watch Tsonga-Blake

Discussion in 'Pro Match Results and Discussion' started by tennisaddict, Mar 10, 2013.

  1. Djokodal Fan

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    Seriously what are you smoking? If it entertains you, watch it. If Nadal, Djokovic or Murray games don't entertain you, switch off the TV. and BTW Players don't slow the court.

    djokovic used to be super aggressive(2007-2008) and modified his game to be a champion he is now.

    The clowns you mentioned play mindless ball bashing & cannot construct a point to win it. that is what it is.

    Some armchair critics @ TT speaking as though they are world #1 and advising GS champions what to play like is quiet funny!
     
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  2. Praetorian

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    I know I'm late to this discussion, but it was so refreshing to watch the Tsonga-Blake match. It pitted two guys who were hitting the ball with the purpose of winning, instead of not losing.

    Nowadays the majority of the games are built around endless baseline rallies which, frankly, is boring. However, it is what it is, and that's what the sport has evolved to. If I had a tennis prodigy, I push them to watch Djokovic, and Nadal, as academically it'll be better. However, professional tennis is also entertainment, and I'm not entertained by watching Djoker and Nadal play. Of course everyone has their opinions.
     
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  3. tlm

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    Exactly right, in any sport you do what it takes to win. Which by the way consistency is one of the keys to winning in every sport. These clowns remind me of high school players that have no clue on how to construct a point.

    They just unload any chance they get without any thought on working the point to get the higher % shot like a smart player does.
     
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  4. President

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    You're right, they are just brainless clowns. That's why they have both been in the top 10 for a while (and Tsonga is still there) and Tsonga made a grand slam final.

    Btw, there is another AGGRESSIVE player who has had a little bit of success over the past few years...maybe you have heard of him? Featherer? Sederer?...something like that :confused: You don't have to be a pusher to win in tennis, fortunately.
     
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  5. Djokodal Fan

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    Agree with what you say, but to call upon Nadal and Djokovic and asking them to play tennis the way you like is super idiotic!

    People have different styles. You can choose to like it or ignore it. I would love to see how the OP works in his office or runs his business and compare it with others.

    This thread is so dumb!
     
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  6. tennisaddict

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    If you have read my comments earlier, I clearly wrote that Novak or Nadal need not play every match with attacking tennis. I also gave in that they have been trained to play that way , so it may be hard for them to change their game. But given their talent, is it too much to ask they play for "winners" at least most of the time in the early rounds ?

    But do you realize that Novak and Nadal play the same way whether it is a first round or the finals ?

    Nadal was moon balling with Ryan Harrison, for god's sake.
     
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  7. Djokodal Fan

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    I totally agree with the moon balling....I really hate it. But if you ask for winners from players, its kinda difficult.

    If you think Djokovic was a pusher, I would like to disagree. Every Fed-Djoker Match is a treat to watch. you can see booming winners from both Fed & Djoker. thier match up in last 2-3 years is amazing

    The problem with Djoker-Nadal match up is that is sooooo difficult to beat Nadal with just winners. Djoker probably found that the only way to beat nadal is to outgrind him. Tell me how many times had Fed had success against Nadal by going for winners? It just simply doesn't work.

    Now Murray latches to the style that Nadal started. It is bad for tennis, but players can only do what brings them success.

    I think Novak changes his game play depending on the opponent. He plays completely different way against Fed. Differently against Tsonga, Delpo & Berdych. Super aggressive against his pegion Ferrer. Djoker is a totally different beast against Nadal & Murray. Not his fault.

    Not the fault of Nadal either.....that was the way he found to win against the great Fed when everyone else struggled to solve Fed Puzzle!
     
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    They play whatever gives them the win and that is is the only valid strategy in pro sport and they've sure won many, many more rounds that way than Blake. Bashing the ball and then seeing what happens is NOT a winning strategy and should certainly not be adopted by serious competitors just because a handful of guys on a message board find that "entertaining". One needs a compromise between taking risks and being conservative just like one needs the proper balance between offensive and defensive skills. Attacking every ball blindly is not a winning strategy, it's a recipe for disaster because it's "hit or miss" and it's way too hazardous to build a day in day out career out of it. You need timing, taking risks only when appropriate and playing tennis % when needed. In other words, you need flexibility and sustainable tactics over the long term. (+ addressing your specific point, the early rounds are the most dangerous for upsets, definitely not an experimenting playground. The line between losing and winning is very thin when it comes to top 100 players)
     
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    I see your point but I want players to entertain me and win. For me, Federer is the perfect example of a player who does that. Tsonga just does not do it for me. He is too inconsistent and is frustrating to watch.
     
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  10. tlm

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    Let me know when your hero clownga wins something that matters okay. Who said anything about having to be a pusher? Those are your words, but of course many of the tennis experts here feel that if you don't try to bash every other shot for a winner then it classifies as pushing.

    Fed has played many long points and played it wise like all smart champions do. He plays more aggressively now to save the body for longevity.
     
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  11. tlm

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    Excellent post that explains the difference between smart play and ignorant ball bashing. Maybe even some of the people here that either never play tennis or have no idea of what it takes to compete in sports can even understand.
     
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    Novak is nodding respectfully at the wise advice contained in this thread right now.
     
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  13. beast of mallorca

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    Tell that to the OP, who probably bashes the ball as well without thinking:twisted:
     
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  14. Djokodal Fan

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    Yes indeed. He just dismissed Tsonga like some world#100.

    What an entertaining tennis Tsonga played. OP should have really enjoyed tit!
     
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  16. tlm

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    Ya joker needs to watch clownga more so he can learn from such an exciting player. I mean it really looked like joker is not even in the same league as clownga.
     
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  17. veroniquem

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    Well, Djoko had a close look at Tsonga's game today. I guess he's a fast learner :)
     
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  18. tlm

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    So were is your advise now there Mr tennis expert? Your hero clownga was not very entertaining yesterday, well actually it was very entertaining to me watching that bonehead get schooled.

    Were was his sheer athleticism,movement and powerful strokes at? Oh thats right he was not playing an opponent that was as stupid as he is like blank.
     
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  19. beast of mallorca

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    Wonder what the OP now thinks of Blake ? Losing to a Spaniard, just bashing the ball silly. Djoker and Rafa should really look into this..........:twisted::twisted:
     
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  20. tlm

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    No kidding blank should have won pretty easily last night, but he would have had to played with just a little more patience and of coarse he cannot do that.
     
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