Novak Djokovic [1] vs Andy Murray [8]: USO quarterfinals

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Novak Djokovic or Andy Murray?

  1. Djokovic in 3

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  2. Djokovic in 4

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  3. Djokovic in 5

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  4. Murray in 3

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  5. Murray in 4

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  1. mike danny

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    Come on be honest. Who can stop him now? Nobody
     
  2. 100% Natural

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    Djok in 4 sets
     
  3. Midaso240

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    Nadal and Djokovic have clearly been the 2 best players at the US Open the last 3-4 years. Without Nadal there,it was always going to be tough to bet against Djokovic winning. A lot of people picked Federer,but they would have been counting on people like Murray,Tsonga or Wawrinka knocking Novak out because I don't think many people who follow tennis really believe Federer can take 3 sets off Djokovic...
     
  4. Omega_7000

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    So Djokovic is scared of Nadal... He sensed an opportunity because Nadal is not here and is re energized... Wants to win as much as he can before Nadal returns? Is that what you mean?
     
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    I made my assumption based on what people were posting and what the reviews stated. The yahoo and BBC reviews of the match both made comments that said that Murray was looking strained and his serve was dipping in the later sets. Murray and Djokovic themselfs both commented on Andy looking tired and not being able to keep up with it. Oh and alot of posters HERE said the same in the pages during the match. Im sorry you assumed that i was implying the fitness was the only factor. That was not the case, i was just referencing what others seemed to be saying.

    Also i find it hilarious that you think im a "Fedal" I guess every responce you make is guided by your delusions. Thats ok tho, i know everyone humours you on this forum and ill just do the same from now on.
     
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    Chiko has become a pain in the you know what to since Djokovic won Wimbledon this year...I like Novak but now I hope he loses because I can't stand Chiko
     
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    I went to bed after the first set. So, is the consensus that Murray ran out of gas? That would make sense, given Murray's comments about only really being able to get back to training at the start of the hardcourt season.

    I don't know that Murray will never hit like he once did. He showed some pretty solid stuff this US Open, but he looked gassed in every match.

    Hopefully, he finishes the year strong.
     
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    Too tired and missed it, sounds like Joker deserved it, good luck to him although id love someone other than him or feddy to win
     
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    This has been going on for years. Nadal fans make it out like it is a new thing every year. If Nadal entered the US Open this year he would of gotten clubbed to a pulp. You would think we would all understand this: When team Nadal knows they are not in the groove and not pumped up they skip majors. Federer and Djokovic will play and do their best even if not in good form.
     
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    Spot on, spot on.
     
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  13. Steve0904

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    Upset does not equal impossible. If anything, Nishikori with 2 days rest will have a better shot than Murray given Murray's fitness issues. I am picking Djokovic to win the whole tournament but stranger things have happened.
     
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    About those issues, why is he struggling to last 3 sets even?

    Ty in advance.
     
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    Oh, you mean since the beginning of time, aka 2011!

    Revisionist history.........

    I thought Nadal was mocked and jeered by many here for his loss at AO 2014.
    I forgot who Nadal lost GS in 2011 and 2012 AO!
     
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    You really think Kei has a better shot than Murray did? I feel that Djokovic will be a very tough matchup for Nishikori. I'm not seeing any department in which Kei has an edge.
     
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    He's certainly got a better shot than Murray does now.
     
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    Unbelievable. :mad: Way to take all credits from Novak. Why are people are consistently implying some mysterious "fitness issues" as a sole and only reason for Novak's win.
    Novak was the better player on the court and deservedly won. There were no "fitness issues" at all. Murray was playing possum as usual. He always do that. However he was running like a rabbit during points and getting to very difficult balls until the very end of the match.

    I just can't understand how can people be so dishonest only to take well deserved credits from Novak. Why?
     
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    Murray has fitness issues, get over it. This doesn't mean it's why Nole won, and I believe Nole would have won no matter what but that doesn't take away from the fact that Nishikori right now is demonstrating better fitness than Murray.

    Murray has been gassed in so many matches, why is that???

    I didn't catch this match but excellent job presumably from Nole, he's been in terrific form all event and it will be extremely hard for someone to stop him, fit or not.

    As for Murray, I heard he tired here in the 4th and he's been knackered late in even 3 set matches in Masters events so many times this year. How can his general endurance levels be such rubbish compared to his old levels?
     
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    Man...reading through this thread. The Federer V Nadal V Djokovic V Murray bickering just ruined this thread. Some of you guys really need to let it go and just try and enjoy the tennis. The first two sets were just out of this world! A pleasure to watch. :)
     
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    I apologise for not gracing the thread during the match and improving its quality by 700%

    (Maximagq mode off.)

    OK, just by 500%.
     
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    I agree....we should be celebrating the best of the USO not dissing players who have fallen by the wayside....and there has been a lot of carnage of seeds on both the mens and womens side. That's what makes the USO special this year. We've seen some great play and just because we've seen another Murray or some other fail doesn't mean they are washed up. This USO hasn't been predictable at all and that's what makes each subsequent match up so interesting.
     
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    Djokovic himself states that their duels usually come down to a fitness contest in the end:

    "I think we played a very physical match in the first two hours," Djokovic said. "I am very glad to get through to another semi-final.

    "We both gave our best. At times, the tennis was not that nice, we made a lot of unforced errors but that's due to a very physical battle we had in the first two sets.

    "I knew coming into the match that he was going to go for his shots and the one who was the most aggressive would win. I am glad I managed to stay fit in the end and pull through."


    See how often the words 'physical' and 'fit' crop up in that evaluation? It is very often the crucial factor in what separates them in close matches.

    https://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/news/tennis-djokovic-downs-murray-reach-last-four-052200563--ten.html

    There is no doubt that Djokovic is the fittest player on the planet right now. I doubt there is anybody who can match his his endurance at the moment.
     
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    Your calculations are wrong. According to my estimates, My root mean square value of how much I improve a thread's quality is over 9000%
     
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    Perhaps not, but if Kei is fresh on two full days rest he still has a better shot than Murray given that Murray cannot last 5 sets with Novak anymore.

    That said, maybe Kei can't either, so I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

    Murray played up to Novak's level for 2 sets but he didn't pass the first requirement of playing best of 5 with Novak. If Kei can do that, he automatically has a better shot than Murray.
     
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    Haha I concur buddy! You forgot to add in "undeniably good looks" ;)
     
  28. britam25

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    That doesn't change the fact of what I said one iota, nice cherry picking. I can play that game, too: What's Nadal's record of defending non dirt tournaments? How about his record vs people ranked 100 or worse at Wimbledon the last 3 years?
     
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    ROTFLMAO!!!! As true as it is hilarious.
     
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    Did the current 5-1 run take him by surprise, too? Maybe Nadal is caught unaware by the rising of the sun in the east every morning, as well, huh?
     
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    Congratulations to Djokovic, who played well and just wore Murray down. Still looked like he had another gear to hit too if needed.

    The gap b/w these two these days is very real.
     
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    4-1, with Nadal winning the biggest of those 5 matches (2014 French Open final). Nadal also beat Djokovic at the 2012 and 2013 French Opens, and the 2013 US Open.
     
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    ...and will have a great chance to beat him at this year USO...oh wait
     
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    Please read post #1534 Mustard.
     
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    If anything, Murray was somewhat fortunate he wasn't straight setted: how often do you see Novak break a guy twice in one set, only to get "re-broken" immediately, and that happened in 2 different sets. One of them, admittedly, primarily was Murray abruptly ditching the Lady Forehand and hitting winners like I haven't seen him do before, but the first set was basically gifted to him. In any event, injuries are part of the game, even if they're legit.
     
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    I have, and I'm thinking of the 2013 US Open final, which is on hardcourt and more recent than the 2012 Australian Open final or any 2011 matches.
     
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    You have to admit that a lot of it does make sense though....
     
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    Well of course, I don't really know. Certainly not as much as Murray himself or someone close to him, but I'll take my wildest guess at it.

    The obvious starter is the back surgery. He's shown glimpses, but really it's been a while since his surgery. It's a bit strange that he's not back to full fitness yet. That said, however, I am interested to see what happens when he gets a full off season while focusing more on fitness than rehabilitation as was the case last year. If he's not back to full fitness by AO 2015 then that is true cause for concern IMO. And by true I mean even more so than now. If this is the case then my concern meter will be all the way over into the red by AO next year. A bit like the Federer of 2013 if you will because he, like Murray, was also struggling to last 3 sets last year. Back injuries are serious things, but perhaps Murray should've taken a page out of Fed's book and opted not to have surgery. Or even like Nadal who could have surgery on his knees or some part of his body I'm sure, but knows that at this stage surgery may be "career" ending and not worth the risk, and by career ending I mean in terms of getting back to peak level not necessarily truly career ending. Even Delpo without the second wrist injury was never the same as his 2009 self after one wrist surgery.

    But honestly, and I might get some heat for this, but I think it's partly mental. Probably about 50% mental, 50% physical tbh. He's back to the "old" Murray, grabbing body parts when he's losing or hits a particularly bad shot. I don't think he believes in himself that he can go 5 sets anymore either especially against a guy like Novak. I'm also pretty sure he's had more monologues with himself since Mauresmo came on board. The Lendl split clearly surprised, if not outright shocked Andy, and I think Lendl took Murray's "new" mentality with him, mostly because it was Lendl's in the first place. Now Murray can get away with being his old self again on court with Mauresmo as coach, but Lendl didn't put up with any of that garbage.

    Even last night, Murray had to redline his game to win a set from Novak that even still he was fortunate to have won, and that is almost impossible to keep up for 5 sets.

    All in all, I don't know if I provided any new insight, but those are my rather random splurges of thought put in half readable keyboard form. :)
     
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    Great points.

    The fact that he is able to last tough physical sets against Tsonga , but not against Novak or for that matter against Federer, makes me believe he has lost the mental edge.

    He needs to give it all in one of his next majors, perhaps Wimbledon and see where it takes him.

    He will be back in top 5, but what we saw yesterday in set 3 and 4 was very disheartening.
     
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    What a shame for Murray to have surgery. that can screw up your career... WEHT Del Potro?
     
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    Congrats to Novak Djokovic and company,Murray played awesome, thought is was the final, Djokovic found a way to win 4.

    3Fees :)
     
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    I'm pretty incredulous to believe that considering Murray had 16 break points on Djokovic (to his 10). Someone doesn't "redline" and get that many opportunities. If anything it shows Murray was playing well below his usual par. If my memory serves me Murray was leaking errors out his backhand and could only keep in by hitting his forehand as hard as he could. It's a bizarre statistic for someone to have more breakpoints but loses with only winning one set and can only be chalked up to underwhelming play.
     
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    Well Nadal absolutely hates to lose the mental edge. He will make sure he will never have a 2009 or 2011-2012 situation.

    I think Murray can come away with a positive out of this tournament. Beat his first top ten and nearly took out the world #1.
    His forehand is also the best forehand I have seen out of the current top 5. It is better than it used to be.
    2015 Murray will be strong.
     
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    The first two sets were pretty evenly matched, but Djokovic can go long and Murray can't these days. Novak even said he feels he has the physical edge in these encounters now, and he's right.

    Novak's serve is also a bit more reliable and can get cheaper points. Andy's serve is gone now, post-surgery the ball-toss is different and power has receded. He'd get more cheap points in previous matches between them. In fact I think 2012ray would have won last night if he'd stood in place of the current form.
     

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