Novak Djokovic Lead Tape

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  1. Djoker_69

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    On the ATP main page you can see lead tape on the inside of his racket in roughly the same spot roddick has his. it also looks like he changed string but i could be wrong. if anybody knows when he started having lead on his racket, how much and if he counter balanced please say so.

    Thanks in advance
    Adam

    edit: thanks to the picture uploaded by hideous we can see that it is longer than roddicks.
    it finishes lower than his.
     
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  2. baseline_monster

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    When I watched him practice he had like an inch at 3 and 9, so might of added more now?
    [​IMG]
     
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  3. Djoker_69

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    yeah way more. it spans 12 holes starting and finishing neatly at a grommet.
     
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  4. dr325i

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    I must be blind, I just don't see any lead in those pictures...
     
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  5. PED

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    +1, I can't see it either

    However, I just went to the atp page and he does look to have a really long strip at 3/9 like the OP said.

    I've never seen him with visible lead before so maybe he is changing his setup, good catch OP on the pic from ATP :)
     
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  6. Djoker_69

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    the lead is bout 1 centimetre (sorry im from australia) thick, about 1 inch (but my dads american) from the little silver band joining the black and white.
     
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    Thanks:)

    also do you know if there is anyway to copy the picture into this thread because it will be gone by tomorrow/day after?
     
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    I got a killer view of Djokovic playing dubs while at Queens adn noticed the same thing. So i took a photo of my own, but getting a good shot of lead tape is tricky.

    [​IMG]
     
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    Indeed a long strip !
    [​IMG]
     
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  10. Ross K

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    ^^^

    Hmm... what do we think of that?... unusual placing methinks?
     
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    wow. great pic, thats even longer than what i thought it was.
     
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    +1

    what would putting lead there do?

    i know it would change the weight and balance but would it bring the sweetspot downlower or something?
     
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    I think it would move the SS closer to the throat...but not by much
     
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    Yea, I don't understand why he would want the sweet spot lower. Especially on the forehand, it seems like he hits it more at the head of the racket rather than the throat. Probably gets a little more plow through with that lead though.
     
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  17. RanchDressing

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    When a racquet is unstable it stablizes it. I did the same thing on my babolat aero pro (that racquet is garbage). If the over all frame is light stiff and powerful it can feel really unstable when you flatten the ball out. This is actually probably why djoko was playing poorly right when he got that racquet. Its fine if you spin the balls in but if you flatten it out and aren't in the dead middle of the racquet upon contact, the whole thing twists in your hand. Quite annoying and can really screw with you. I put tape in this exact location on my racquet, not going quite as far down though, and a lot under the grip. Made the racquet much more stable. Hope that makes sense.
     
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  18. austinjbrunner

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    Similar problem here so I did as you did, just more centralized. I still find some twisting on some shots though. How did putting lead under the grip change the racket? Just heavier in the handle, but more stable?
     
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  19. RanchDressing

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    I put a lot of tape on it, it weighs a bit over 13 oz without the over-grip (strung with thin gauge poly). The grip lead tape makes the racquet have 'less swing-weight' although I still find the racquet has too much power, and made the grip thicker. It kind of counteracts all the weight on the frame added. Which is 8 strips (two stacked on each other on both sides of the string bed) from the 8th string down to the third string up of 1/8 inch lead tape. Actually the second layer of lead tape is a bit shorter but you get the general idea. It still does shake a bit on off center shots, but I saw a huge improvement. For the under grip tape, I believe there are 2 to 3 strips spanning the whole length of the grip. I don't hit with it anymore, made the switch to a k90, which with a little grip modification and a little lead tape at the butt is much nicer feeling (13.3 oz strung), much more pace (because it is easier to control) and a billion times better/crisper volleys.
    Yes I like my racquets with small light heads and pretty heavy.
     
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    That is a heavy racket! I only have 4g at 3 and 9 roughly with 8 total strips (same set up as you basically just not as long.) I find that it made it more solid, but still can feel that shake as you said. Thanks for the info though, much appreciated.
     
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    Well former AUS pro Wayne Arthurs said that Djokovic had completly changed his setup (Weight, SW, Balance) to back to what he was using before could be incorrect but that what he said?
     
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    The specs we have from Greg Raven (360g, 32cm, 371 SW) suggest that most of the lead tape is added at 12 and in the handle so maybe he has actually completely changed his setup. The above specs are from 2009 so I'm guessing he changed his specs in 2009 along with his new racquet contract and now he's going back to what won him a grand slam title and a grand slam final
     
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  23. LPShanet

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    How do you extrapolate lead placement at 12 and the handle from just three spec data points (especially without any idea what the starting specs are)?
     
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    Because the high swingweight can only come from adding a ton of lead at the 12 (lead at the 12 increases SW by the most). And then to achieve the 32 cm balance (approx. 8 points HL), most of the lead would have to be in the handle

    Also, pictures of his "Speed Pro" from last year had no lead tap visible so the weight would have to be under the bumperguard and in the handle
     
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    What you say may be the case, but that's making a lot of assumptions that you can't necessarily make. Without knowing the specs of his starting frame (and whether or not he's using the same blank to start with) what you state is possible, but so are a large number of other possibilities. That high swingweight isn't so high that it couldn't also be achieved at 10 and 2 with a 32cm balance, depending on the specs of the blank started with. For example, my own frames were customized at one time to specs close to that (355g, 32cm balance, 365 sw) without any lead at 12...it was mostly and 3 and 9. Obviously, his lead last year (if it was in fact lead used for the weighting at that time) wasn't at 3 and 9, but could have been at 10 and 2, since the bumperguard did extend that far. And with his current pile of lead on the sides, there's no reason to think the overall specs have necessarily been completely revamped, although they may have. To make any real assumptions, you have to know more about the hairpin being used. Right now, all we know about it, as far as I know, is that it's a Radical mold, and that the layup seems to be very flexible.
     
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  26. kimbahpnam

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    that's what she said
     
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  27. PED

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    Well played :twisted::twisted:
     
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  28. Pioneer

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    I reached this conclusion by trying to set up my racquet (which Djoker undoubtedly tested when he was with Wilson) to his specs. I did the calculations on a plane and don't have it anymore but if we assume AVERAGE specs for a pro stock Wilson would be 310g strung no overgrip, 305-ish SW and we know Djokovic's target specs and the fact that he uses L3 with leather and 2 overgrips and a dampener. So we slap 2 overgrips and a dampener on a gut/poly strung H19 and we get to about 322g. From there my guess is that djokovic adds silicone in the handle because most Head pros do. To get to a 371 SW he'd need to add almost 70 SW units, the easiest way being long strips at 12 which add APPROXIMATELY 3 units per gram and change the balance by 1mm (assuming the initial balance is 32cm). Let's assume he adds long strips at 12 with an overall weight of 20g, which would make his new specs 342g, 367-ish SW and 34cm balance, but here it's important to keep in mind that 2 full overgrips would bring the balance down by about 0.5cm, making the overall balance 33.5cm. Here Djoko would be concerned with counterbalancing so he'd slap about 20g (maybe more like 16-17g) in the handle. A gram in the buttcap would counterbalance a gram at 12 but since the 2 overgrips counterbalance 5 of the 20 grams at 12 o'clock he'd only need to add enough lead to the handle to counterbalance 15g. So if he adds about 16g with a center of mass an inch above the handle this would pretty much bring the balance back to 32cm. So now his specs would be ABOUT 358g, 367 SW and 32cm balance. If we account for a 2g dampener we'll be at 360, 370 SW and 32.1cm, which is pretty darn close to Djoko's target specs.



    This is pure speculation so if anybody doesn't like don't go flaming at me like I popped by and said "Djokovic sets up his racquet THIS way"



     
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    Nice work Pioneer, the only correction I would add is that I think djo djo uses a 4 1/2 grip with 2 og's.

    In the last month of changing the spec on my apd plus, I'm really surprised at how much of a difference it has made in using lead fishing weights tucked under the butt cap.

    I used to use lead on the handle and to get the required amount, I would have to go a decent way up the handle. Having all the extra mass (15g in my case) right under the butt makes a huge difference in the way my stick swings. I've more under the bumper and you can really feel the "polarization" effect. I tried lead at 3/9 and it just didn't work for me but it seems to work for Novak ;)

    I was going to go the silicone route but this works so well i think I'll leave it be.
     
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  31. LPShanet

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    Interesting and definitely possible. Has Ron or anyone from P1 ever weighed in on this? (no pun intended)

    N.B.: Some of your numbers don't seem quite right, though, to my eyes. If we add 2 overgrips, a dampener and a hybrid string job to a 310g racquet, it will add much more than 12g to it. The strings along will be in the 15-20g range. Also, if the frame were 305 SW before strings, then it would have a notably higher SW after stringing, so you wouldn't need to add 70 sw points...more like 45-50 max. So many other options still seem possible.
     
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  32. Pioneer

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    What I meant is that it's 310g/305SW strung with gut/poly. Then add 2 Wilson Pros or whatever Djoker uses and this adds 10g, and a dampener +2g



     
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    Ah, gotcha. That makes more sense. My misunderstanding.
     
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    Wow, great work there Pioneer!... fascinating stuff... 'respect' to you frame modification gurus!:)
     
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  35. reesespiecestennis

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    Does anyone know that new specs of djokovic's racquet?

    Looks like he changed from a polarized setup, back to a depolarized. Do you think he still keeps lead underneath the bumperguard?
     
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  36. Chris Rizutto

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    Thanks for the photos. That is some strange lead placement.
     
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