Novak Djokovic's racquet being sold!

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  1. tennisnoob3

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    or he realizes what the term fan means...fanatic and the prices some people are willing to pay for a piece of equipment.
     
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  2. Macro80

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    That's historic, Novaak now uses VS Gut mains and ALU Power crosses
     
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  3. tennisnoob3

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    alu power is black?

    edit: nvm the string in the picture is silver. first picture made it look black
     
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    It's one thing to buy a genuine pro racket and have the proceeds given to charity, and another to profit from Novak's generosity; like someone said, it's 650 pounds and the reserve isn't even met; I mean, how greedy can one get? And Novak threw about 4 rackets into the crowd; how sure are we that it was the same one he played with when he won matchpoint?
     
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    :lol:

    yes of course im sure djokovic carried 4 stock retail speed pros in his racquetbag just to troll the ppl on tw forum
     
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  6. movdqa

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    The post said that he played a set with it. I guess the top guys change frames with ball changes.
     
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    He won't even send more pics, sounds sus!
     
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  8. dr325i

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    How the heck did you contact him?!
    I am totally unable to contact him!
     
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  9. kissmyace

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    Click on his user name to bring up his profile, then click on the 'Contact Member' link.
     
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    That's ridiculous.
     
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    What's interesting to me is that he doesn't appear to use power pads on his mains.

    Head's new/recent grommets at the throat are indeed much thicker and more rounded than traditional ones, and perhaps that makes power pads redundant?
     
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  12. movdqa

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    > Click on his user name to bring up his profile, then click on
    > the 'Contact Member' link.

    Perhaps that doesn't work outside the UK. I tried that and it leads to a dead end for me.
     
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  13. dr325i

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    I did and...

    [​IMG]
     
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  14. dr325i

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    so stupid to limit it only to the UK...
    COuld fetch 2x probably WW...
     
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    Some chimps are extremely clever. :smile:

    It could be legitimate. It could also not be legitimate.

    My point, apparently lost on some, was simply that the seller has no offer of proof on the table for the things he is claiming.

    Where is the evidence this was a racket used by Joker in the Wimbledon Final? Answer: There isn't any.
    Could this be a pro stock racket? Answer: Yes.
    Could this be a pro stock racket made for Joker? Answer: Yes.
    Could this be a Joker racket that was never used at Wimbledon? Answer: Yes.
    Could this be a pro stock racket made for some other player that someone stenciled Novak on to bump up the value? Answer: Yes.
    Could this not be a pro stock racket that someone has doctored to appear to be Novak's pro stock? Answer: Yes.
    Is sports memorabilia one of the most fraud ridden businesses in the world? Answer: Yes.

    The seller has a relatively low feedback score (66; 64+ as a buyer, 2+ as a seller.) He has a quaint narrative that tends to drive up the value of the item if believed on face value. He offers no evidence that his narrative is true. Also bothersome is that the listing is private so one can't see who is bidding which suggests shill bidding.

    In short, if you bid on this thing, do so knowing full well that it might not be what it is represented to be. And also realize that this dude probably has four of his buddies shill bidding to drive the price up. For the amount that he is asking, there are far too many unanswered questions IMHO. The seller should have had an authority from the tennis industry ( e.g., Head, or one of the well known stringers) write a letter certifying the racket as authentic in their professional opinion. As is, the provenance is extremely porous.

    My all time fee bay favorite was the guy who was selling a smashed up Adidas GTX and claimed it had been personally smashed by Lendl himself. No offer of proof, of course. :)
     
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    If you really want to contact the guy, I suppose that you could make another **** account with an address in the UK.

    I just picked up another TGK238.4 instead. For some reason, these things are in short supply right now.
     
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  17. movdqa

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    > In short, if you bid on this thing, do so knowing full well that
    > it might not be what it is represented to be. And also realize
    > that this dude probably has four of his buddies shill bidding to
    > drive the price up.

    You take that risk buying pro stock frames in general or buying merchandise from TW's for sale forum. I bought one in May - I should have bought two as they were matched but I was pretty cautious sending money to a foreign country with the other guy a complete stranger - but he seemed to move a lot of racquets. Everything went fine so I ordered a second.

    Yes, you can always get scammed but I'd think that most people that can shell out a few thousand for a tennis racquet would understand that - outside of those just looking to flip it. PT57As typically have asking prices of $450 to $700 and a pair or three of those can set you back more than the bid on this ND frame right now. One difference is that I can't see anyone using the ND frame as their regular frame given the very high swingweight.
     
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  18. Fearsome Forehand

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    It is a collector's item if real.

    The seller has done a lousy job of proving his claims and his auction is set up to facilitate shill bidding. Other than that, it is great. :)

    The Government of Serbia will probably buy it and turn it into a national shrine. :)

    Unfortunately, acquiring and hitting with pro stock rackets makes one quickly realize that these guys are not great players because of their rackets. If only one could buy their game instead of merely buying their rackets.

    Better to put one's money in lessons from a good teacher IMHO. :)
     
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  19. movdqa

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    > Unfortunately, acquiring and hitting with pro stock rackets
    > makes one quickly realize that these guys are not great
    > players because of their rackets. If only one could buy their
    > game instead of merely buying their rackets.

    I think that most people on the TW forums know this.

    > Better to put one's money in lessons from a good teacher
    > IMHO

    I've been playing for 35 years and do know the mechanics fairly well. My focus for the last two years has been on fitness and I spend more time running than playing tennis.

    Those that can spend a few thousand on racquets can obviously also afford lessons.
     
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    IMHO, I don't think the seller has handled things very well. Not taking questions for instance, a big no no.
    Not providing provenance, even worse!

    If I'd been in his position, I'd have done things very differently indeed. I wouldn't auction it off myself for instance, I'd ask a professional to do it for me and open it to international bidders!

    See what the ATP did with their e Bay auction!
     
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  21. Fearsome Forehand

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    Yes, very weird. Send me thousands of dollars for a racket that may, or may not, be what I claim it is, but don't you dare ask me any questions. :)

    My guess is the reserve is some nice round number like a 1000 pounds (about $1600 US).

    Will be interesting to see how much it sells for without any real proof it is what he claims. Someone will be taking a helluva chance if they pay that much under the circumstances. I'm guessing it will sell in the $2000 range; maybe more.

    He could have got a lot more for it if he had it authenticated, sold worldwide (excluding the high fraud countries, of course) and maybe answered some basic questions. Also really don't like the private listing thing as that facilitates shill bidding.

    I'm not a buyer at that price and under these circumstances but to each his own. If someone wants it that badly to cough up thousands for it and assume the inherent risks, so be it. It's their money. I just hope for their sake it turns out to be the genuine article.
     
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  22. movdqa

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    I think that he's handled it poorly but his purchase history shows that he likes to buy a lot of small convenience and other items. The guy may be already fairly well-off, either earning it or from family money and may not understand what he has. If I caught a baseball at a Red Sox game or received something at a Bruins or Celtics game, I probably wouldn't know much about its value either.

    It's often like that in trading stocks. You stumble across a company and look at their financial reports and their business and management track record and wonder why it is so cheap. You take a look at the company technically and fundamentally and find out that it's in a sector that's unloved or it's otherwise out of favor and you get in and then reap the benefits when everyone else discovers how good a company it is. In the meantime you enjoy the dividends while waiting for the price to appreciate.
     
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    > He could have got a lot more for it if he had it authenticated,
    > sold worldwide (excluding the high fraud countries of course)
    > and maybe answered some basic questions. Also really don't
    > like the private listing thing as that facilitates shill bidding.

    Easiest thing to do would be to sell it to one of the guys on strings forums that sell a lot of pro stock frames. They're used to doing the customs work, and providing information on frames and they can usually tell whether a frame is real or not. Their biggest asset is their reputation for delivering product reliably and efficiently.
     
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  24. tennisnoob3

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    this.

    $1300/820 pounds and reserve still not met......

    does anyone know how professional auctions work? whats the fee to use their service and the range of the cut they usually take? i've seen them mention professional auctions on pawn stars(interesting show), but they never go into too much detail.
     
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    From what I've seen;

    Most places as a general take 8% all the way up to 20%. I have yet to see a place take more. On average though it is around 12-15%.

    At the places I've seen, some charge a flat rate for listing and then take their percentage on top, and some just inflate their initial price to cover all the fee's in one go.

    Hope this helps. :)

    (Sources: My family does a lot of auction buying and auction type things in general.)

    -Fuji
     
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    From the automatic bids, it appears someone put in one very high bid that all the other bidders are chasing. Either someone really wants it and bid a very high price early on, or the seller's buddy put in a very high bid to drive the price up. My guess is that it is the latter.
     
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    I reckon the final price is going to be well over £1000.

    Crazy.....
     
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    Slightly off topic but someone is also claiming that they are selling Roddick's smashed racket which he used at Madrid 2011. Funny thing is that I doubt Roddick was using this PJ in 2011.

    Here is the link to the listing http://bit.ly/qZFBIa
     
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  29. movdqa

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    Roddick seems to go through a lot of racquets; not too surprising considering how hard he hits serves and his style of play. I see his racquets for sale more frequently than any other pro.

    There are some of Soderling's racquets for sale on the strings forum - they're PT57As and they're not in very good shape (he's a hard-hitter too). The paintjob is old but at least you could still hit with the frames if you can manage the swingweight. I wouldn't buy any racquet that isn't usable.
     
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  30. dr325i

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    If you look at the racket being sold and the one in the picture of Roddick -- they seem to be a different PJ...
     
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    well that picture isnt madrid, but i doubt he used this paintjob in madrid anyway. its definitely a self smashed pure drive.
     
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    lol if you look closely at the pics, the pure drive isn't even the roddick version. You can also tell cuz it has a blue background surrounding the babolat writing rather than a white background at the 6 o'clock of the head
     
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    Price is over 1,000 Euros and the reserve still isn't met. Seems like the seller really doesn't want to part with the racket. Plus he's a biotch for only selling in the UK.
     
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    £1,010.00 - reserve not met, and there's only 45 minutes left on the auction.
     
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    sold for £2500 ($4012). let the debate begin..
     
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    That's unbelievable.

    Well actually I suppose it's not. It's a racquet that was used by the world #1 to win Wimbledon after all.

    I do that that had it been a Federer or a Nadal winning racquet it would've gone for twice that amount or more though.
     
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  37. Fearsome Forehand

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    Was it? Where is the proof of that?

    $4000 is crazy. Of course, he might not get paid. It is fee bay and buyers have been known to flake.

    If you look at the bids there is nothing in between 1480 pounds and 2500 pounds. Weird.
     
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    lol not only this look at the strings in the cracked racquet. thats definitely not roddicks nice joke
     
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    I'd put money on that being because it's a real pain to send frames to the US.If you are happy to go without insurance, a signature and know it'll take weeks to arrive then you can do it for £25 ish, i've been quoted £70 before for one frame but they wont guarantee a signature at destination so while i was suprised he UK only'd the auction not convinced with a value like that and how easilly paypal give refunds when you don't have proof not sure i'd of done it any different.
    Still £2.5k is a huge amount of money.
     
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    I love that guys attempt. He shows a picture of andy holding the broken racket, and it's the gt ! :p and his fake one is broken in a completely diff way...
     
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    $4,000 + for a tennis racquet is just stupid.
     
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    Ya.. I wouldn't bother. :(
     
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    LOL total scam. last bid before the winning one was 1400 pounds...then jumps up 1000 pounds to 2400 pounds. rofl.
     
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    Utterly mad.

    Must have been some rich bloke with more money than sense.
     
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    I dont understand the hate in this thread..if someone wants to buy it, let them. who cares if they pay 2k or 200k. The self righteousness in this thread is frankly, disgusting.
     
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    and why is that?? a racket that #1 player in the world used to win his first wimbledon.. and who knows he can go on a win probably 10 more grand slam?? to me it's a quite a good price for a winning bidder.. There are many people out there who is willing to spend thousand of dollars on a racket rather than a bunch of guys on TTW bargaining for $5....
     
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    > I dont understand the hate in this thread..if someone wants to buy it, let
    > them. who cares if they pay 2k or 200k. The self righteousness in this
    > thread is frankly, disgusting.

    There are many that can't imagine this use of resources on something for pure pleasure. Perhaps they haven't purchased an expensive wedding ring, paid for a few college educations for their kids, or traded a thousand shares of Apple stock. If you don't have that experience, then it can seem insane to you.

    Perhaps there are a lot of young folks here that will go on to successful careers where they have the means to spend $4K on a tennis racquet. In the US, the stats a few years ago was that one in 140 households had a million dollars in net worth. That's a lot of millionaires. I imagine that there are a lot of people in the UK with high net-worth.

    For those that have trouble comprehending it, it's not a big deal. I've been in third-world countries and my wife grew up in two of them where the wealth in the western world was unimaginable to them.
     
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    Yeah and it's nothing compared to what Fabfed is paying for Federers shoes.
    For example his Australian open vapors cost $ 3,774.00. And the guy has like ten or so pairs of Feds shoes!

    I say good on you, if you can afford that kind of stuff and it makes you happy, then more power to you. Of course at least when you buy Federers shoes the money goes to charity which is infintely better.
     
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    I can easily afford to spend $4000, but not on a tennis racquet
    There are much more other meaningful things I could do with $4000

    and to movdqa, you just can't compare spending money on a wedding ring and education of our children to a tennis racquet. My wedding ring cost much more than $4k and I don't mind spending $4 million on my children's education. But on a tennis racquet? hell no.
     
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    Given the enormous amounts people shell out for other collectible's, 4K doesn't seem that out of this world. I would want more proof than was offered though, a lot more. I think my limit for a racquet would be a few hundred bucks unless the provenance was airtight.

    Look what Van Gogh's sell for. It is insane. The irony is, of course, that poor ol' Vincent could not give away his paintings when he was alive. Collectors will sometimes pay astronomical sums for things.

    A guy stole a butt ugly Picasso pencil drawing last week in SF. It looked like a second grader did it, but it is estimated to be worth about $250K.

    When I was in college someone lifted a rare Man Ray photograph that was probably worth quite a bit. College museum, no security. As was the case of the Picasso drawing, it was just hanging on the wall waiting to be lifted.
     
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