Novak is an alien,never gets tired.

Discussion in 'General Pro Player Discussion' started by tusharlovesrafa, Jan 20, 2013.

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Novak is an alien,never gets tired.

  1. yes,..alien

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  2. NO..doped!

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  3. Roger for his 18th slam

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  4. Rafa reurning!

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  1. Ginger ninja

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    I'll go a little further on this. My old boy is a prominent professor of medicine - he said what djokovic did was, in his view, impossible. He became a djoker sceptic overnight. For what it's worth he thinks Murray is also at it.
     
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  2. davced1

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    Because Djokovic has a far more physical playing style?
     
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  3. davced1

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    Everything is POssible.
     
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  4. Ginger ninja

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    Like winning the tour de France 7 times.............no wait!
     
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  5. GoodVibrations

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    I love aliens.
     
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  6. JustBob

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    Let's see how he does against Berdych and then (possibly) Ferrer. If he gets pushed against these 2 and then proceeds to win a long 5 set final then, well...
     
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  7. Rocky89

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    While I agree that it would make a difference to how you feel, no way would it improve your stamina and performance by 100% overnight as was the case with Djokovic.
     
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  8. Surecatch

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    IMO, these reasonings that Nole' is "obviously" doping are ridiculous. The guy has improved his stamina...probably has worked his ass off to achieve that. I'm no fan of Novak, but equating improvement in stamina to obvious doping is stupid. Aren't you guys fans of this game? Sometimes I wonder when I see how quickly accusations that are a true blight on the sport are thrown around here instead of acknowledging something positive about the game's best players.

    Sheesh.
     
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  9. 90's Clay

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    Thats the way Armstrong fans would you use to talk.. I see ALOT of similarities between Lance and Nole here.

    Fitness is one thing.. Energizer bunny, unlimited endurance is another
     
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  10. Crisstti

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    I don't really know. It might. Plus, did he really have that much less stamina or did he often just give up?.
     
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  11. Crisstti

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    I can't agree with you there. That Armstrong was doping doesn't mean that people who said he was "obviously doping" had a good argument. they just happened to be right. Doesn't necessarily say anything about their reasoning.
     
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  12. Clarky21

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    Would it be better of no one ever said anything and just sat back blind, deaf, and dumb to what's going on right in front of our faces? What good does turning a blind eye to the obvious doping problem in tennis do for the sport because eventually all of the skeletons are going to come falling out of the closet anyway. I think it hurts tennis more to ignore the problem than to be active against players blighting the sport with their cheating and doping.

    And yes, Armstrong fans did and STILL defend his clear as day doping. His actions have hurt cycling badly. Do you people want to see tennis end up just like that?
     
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  13. Surecatch

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    Not a fan of Djoker' in the least... I'm just surprised how quickly here things turn to accusations of things that would truly damage the sport, by people that love the sport. He's the best in the game...he's supposed to be able to do this.

    I guess I prefer to think my sport's biggest stars are clean and they just pit the work in.
     
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  14. dudeski

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    Butthurt Nadaltards are still upset that Djokovic beat peak Nadal 7 times in the row. That's why this thread exists. Also they hate the fact that Djokovic took over from Nadal as the fittest and mentally strongest player on the tour.
     
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  15. Clarky21

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    What's damaging the sport is the rampant unchecked doping. People who are skeptical of the superhuman stamina of certain players who could barely finish long matches in the past should not be scolded, or shamed into thinking they are damaging the sport. I want a clean sport, and right now, we do not have that.

    And if everyone kept quiet like good little fans, Lance Armstrong would probably be out there still winning titles. Someone had to speak up and cause the talk to spread in order for cycling to do anything about their massive doping problem.
     
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  16. Crisstti

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    You don't really know that Clarky.
     
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  17. Surecatch

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    But your reasoning is completely spin-tastic. You treat the "obvious" doping problem as if it's a given. Why, because a guy has better fitness? This guy didn't wallow in mediocrity for years and then suddenly rise to the top echelon of tennis. He has been supremely talented and in the top three or four since he was twenty years old. I need more than the fact that he can now handle five setters before I rip on my favorite sport. Sorry, it's not "obvious" to me and I root against the guy any chance I get.
     
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  18. Clarky21

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    Neither did the people who accused Lance Armstrong.
     
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  19. Surecatch

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    Not about keeping quiet and being a good little fan...it's about having a real reason for a charge of that magnitude. And in Lance's case there was TONS to go on. Fact. And in the end, that is why he was brought down. You can throw around hyperbole like "superhuman" stamina, but in the end he has simply improved his fitness to the point where he can now utilize the incredible gifts for tennis that has always had and that we have witnessed for years.
     
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  20. Bartelby

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    The only really bizarre thing about Nole is that he used to be unable to finish matches in the heat because of his breathing issues, and now not a sign of this remains.
     
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  21. Clarky21

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    He improved his fitness to the point of which that every malady he ever had is totally gone, so that he can now outlast everyone with ease in the span of one month's time at the end of 2010? You do realize that he ended 2010 the same as he always was before; tired and out of breath. How do you suppose he fixed all of his fitness/health issues in such a short amount of time the way he did in order to go on a nearly 50 match win streak in the beginning of 2011?

    And aren't sudden jumps in stamina and endurance after an entire career of lagging behind in those areas enough to raise questions? Why are people so quick to accept being spoonfed garbage from these people who have everything to gain by lying about being doped to their eyeballs?

    And why is Cvac against the biological passport? Why has he not been blood tested in 7 months? I guess I should just stay in line and keep my mouth shut because I might be harming the sport by talking about the obvious doping going on. Unbelievable.
     
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  22. Bartelby

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    He wasn't tired and out of breath because of inadequate fitness. There is no evidence for that whatsoever. Something happened but it wasn't simply improved fitness.
     
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  23. oy vey

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    and had Murray won the semi instead of Novak would he have given up or played 5 sets with Nadal?
     
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  24. oy vey

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    Is it his job to tell them when to blood test him? If the powers want to test him, let them. Murray was b*tching about testing.
    Have you had a look at his body lately?
     
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  25. Netspirit

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    He may be fresh for the next one, but matches like this are career-shortening.

    You can push the body to the limits but its resources are finite and the result is an earlier retirement.
     
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  26. Defcon

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    It's rather obvious something fishy is going on. You can't ignore the evidence and it all adds up. Just because there is no proof doesn't mean there isn't something going on. And how can there be proof? ATP has everything to lose with the doping being exposed and nothing to gain. This is not the first time a governing body has lied to protect its top stars.

    Djoker didn't become superhuman in a month. You can choose to believe what you want, or actually use your head and not have blind faith.
     
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  27. Ginger ninja

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    A. Djokovic did way more running than murray did in that match
    B. Murray would have lost in straights. It is all but impossible to play 5hrs of that kind of tennis followed by nearly 6 the next day.

    He is clearly doing something that massively improves stamina. If it's legal, good for him, but i suspect it's not.
     
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  28. Rocky89

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    Stop living in the past dude, it's not 2011 anymore
     
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    But they do not do enough testing; It is not strict enough at all. They have got to up the blood testing and test winners as well as losers after matches. They should also start the biological passport, and test players with sudden increases in stamina. More out of competition testing and more frequent testing in competition should also be done. They should also expand the drugs that they test for such as HGH and several others. The lax testing allows players to dope with impunity.
     
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  30. Clarky21

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    You're wasting your time with the stalking bully that is Dudeski. He's a lost cause.
     
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  31. Rocky89

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    Yeah I'm not sure why I even bothered lol
     
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  32. zebedee

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    I've seen some of these ATP players train as no doubt have others. To say they constantly work their socks off to achieve superhuman levels of strength and endurance is a myth put out by them. Sure they train hard but, you know, it's not all about a gym or hitting the weights room and there's no way they work at it like bodybuilders who find it hard enough themselves to build muscular mass. When a player or his trainer says X has put on 3 kgs of muscle by working out or sticking to a diet of sushi, I start to think whether that's really the case or is it something else. The trouble is now, post-Armstrong, some of us have become such a sceptical bunch that were not prepared to swallow the fanboy titbits put out by players or their trainers to explain this or that. We've been conned too many times. And when players like Djokovic make thicko statements that the game is clean because the testing that goes on is so good and we don't really need the blood passport, well that says it all really.
     
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  33. Minion

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    I personally doubt if Djoko is doping. Of course i dont know him or his team personally, so i can't say for sure. But from what i've seen and read around the interweb - he really does train very hard, and makes alot of sacrifices diet wise to stay in top shape. Same goes for Murray.

    Not everybody is as blessed as Sampras and Federer with that freakish natural ability - most have to work much harder at it. Tis not to say they are doping or they aren't, i guess time will tell, or it won't:)
     
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  34. zebedee

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    I tend to agree with you. It's pointless and counter-productive making accusations against individuals when we don't really know, unless of course they've confessed to cheating like Agassi. What we can though come back on is inaccurate or distorted statements that players or federations make. The head of the ITF's remarks that tennis being a technical, skill-based sport and therefore inherently less susceptible to doping, being one such howler. We can also point out circumstances that give rise to suspicion. There are any number of general pointers that indicate that doping is going on everywhere so why should pockets of it at least, not be happening in a rich sport like tennis when we know it's already occurred in the past?
     
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  35. djokovic2008

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    Yes we are and that is one of the greatest players of all time and will go down as the best hardcourt player of all time.
     
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  36. Prisoner of Birth

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    LOL, dream on.
     
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  37. kishnabe

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    Fedalovicray are all doping.
     
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  38. djokovic2008

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    If he wins this for the THIRD time in a row he will already be the greatest AO Champion then the rest is history in the making.
     
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    Roger Federer has four wins and a final. Sorry, Djokovic is NOT the greatest AO Champion. He will be one of the three along with Federer and Agassi..
     
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  40. Dark Magician

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    Djokovic will be the PLEXICUSHION champion. Roger may be REBOUND's
     
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  41. djokovic2008

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    How many in a row did he do?
     
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    Right, which is why he ran out of gas against Fed in 2005 Miami final, what a beast.
     
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    You start to sound like 6-1 6-3 6-0

    I'll never understand those worshippers...
     
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  44. Crisstti

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    Nope, they didn't. They just happened to be right, that is all.

    Plus, really, "doping is rampant in tennis"?. There isn't anything to base that on. People are just paranoid.

    Yeah.
    But he does even now sometimes look like he can't go on, and he can. So maybe it just looked worse than it was, and he in part just gave up. Add to that the gluten allergy and I think it's reasonable.

    Plus, if he didn't want to take an unfair point in the RG final (that by the rules was his, I doubt he would be willing to go and actually cheat.

    That is odd. Not his fault, but odd. I remember reading an interview with someone from the ITF saying they did do more testing on someone they thought might be doping do to "information" they had. I've got to wonder if that information comes from internet forums and TV puppet shows, since Rafa had gotten tested several times. And if anything it is Novak's stamina that is suspicious (and only that).
     
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  45. Defcon

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    Sampras was a lazy bum who didn't like to train :) But Federer is very underrated, trust me, he trains just as hard as these other guys. You don't go uninjured for >10 years without training. It's just that his game is so smooth its deceptive.
     
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  46. Djokodal Fan

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    Fed tards and nadal tards out in full force.

    If there is anyone one is on Ped it has to be Fed. that guy is playing at this level even at 31....he sure is the one who is doping beyond doubt!
     
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