Novak Slammed By WADA President

Discussion in 'General Pro Player Discussion' started by marc45, Nov 14, 2013.

  1. marc45

    marc45 Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    May 29, 2008
    Messages:
    4,722
    Location:
    Ohio
    #1
  2. Chico

    Chico Banned

    Joined:
    Jun 29, 2013
    Messages:
    9,204
    Another corrupted bureaucrat more concerned for his position and privileges than to improve things and do something useful.
     
    #2
  3. Really weird comments by Djokovic, slamming them in such an aggressive manner. Already blaming a potential positive test on their "unprofessionalism"?
     
    #3
  4. Bartelby

    Bartelby G.O.A.T.

    Joined:
    Nov 14, 2005
    Messages:
    12,283
    Another overpaid actor engaging in misguided support of a compatriot for no other reason than he is a friend and compatriot.
     
    #4
  5. Mainad

    Mainad G.O.A.T.

    Joined:
    Apr 1, 2011
    Messages:
    12,762
    Location:
    Manchester, UK.
    I disagree and I think you are blinded by the fact that Djokovic and Troicki are Serbian. If they had been Spaniards, I doubt you would be supporting Troicki's right to refuse to take a blood test and Djokovic's willingness to back him up in that refusal.

    The WADA official is only doing his job and trying to point out some facts but it seems all the Serbians involved just want to back each other up whether they are in the right or in the wrong!
     
    #5
  6. Chico

    Chico Banned

    Joined:
    Jun 29, 2013
    Messages:
    9,204
    But none of the "Sebians involved" is in the wrong here.
     
    #6
  7. Bartelby

    Bartelby G.O.A.T.

    Joined:
    Nov 14, 2005
    Messages:
    12,283
    Troicki has been found to be in the wrong whatever you choose to believe.
     
    #7
  8. Chico

    Chico Banned

    Joined:
    Jun 29, 2013
    Messages:
    9,204
    Finding Troicki to be wrong because of unprofessional and sloppy WADA doctor is wrong whether you choose to believe it or not.
     
    #8
  9. Jeffrey573639

    Jeffrey573639 Semi-Pro

    Joined:
    Jul 14, 2012
    Messages:
    689
    Location:
    Sydney
    Cmon Chico, not even you could defend this. Now the WADA doctor may have been sloppy but surely Troicki as a fairly seasoned pro has a responsibility to understand the consequences of not giving a sample. Rules are rules and Nole is clearly trying to derail WADA by acting as if his friendship and testimonial is significant enough to take away what Troicki did
     
    #9
  10. Mainad

    Mainad G.O.A.T.

    Joined:
    Apr 1, 2011
    Messages:
    12,762
    Location:
    Manchester, UK.
    So would you support the right of Nadal (or any other Spanish player) to refuse to take a blood test or try to make excuses for not taking one or back each other up for not doing so?
     
    #10
  11. Bartelby

    Bartelby G.O.A.T.

    Joined:
    Nov 14, 2005
    Messages:
    12,283
    The WADA doctor was not sloppy and did everything by the book and that is why Troicki's and Djokovic's attempt to shift the blame is shameless.
     
    #11
  12. Tony48

    Tony48 Legend

    Joined:
    Sep 1, 2008
    Messages:
    6,879
    Djoker's my favorite player, but he did was absolutely ridiculous. Perhaps it's because Troicki is one of his friends, but if his agent/manager had any brains, he would distance himself from Troicki.

    Aligning himself with Troicki so fervently is not wise.
     
    #12
  13. Chico

    Chico Banned

    Joined:
    Jun 29, 2013
    Messages:
    9,204
    Troicki didn't refuse the test. He asked WADA professional if it is OK to take it in the morning and the unprofessional WADA professional told him yes, only to change her tune later.
     
    #13
  14. Chico

    Chico Banned

    Joined:
    Jun 29, 2013
    Messages:
    9,204
    This is not true. Not at all.
     
    #14
  15. Starfury

    Starfury Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Jul 3, 2009
    Messages:
    1,940
    That's what I would say as well.
    But I guess you were there and wrote down their conversation.

    As Andy Murray said:
    Best case: Troicki was as clueless as the doctor, worst case: He's lying.
     
    #15
  16. monfed

    monfed Guest

    All I can say is that the WADA prez is looking at the wrong guy,IDK maybe he's a fan. :lol:
     
    #16
  17. Bartelby

    Bartelby G.O.A.T.

    Joined:
    Nov 14, 2005
    Messages:
    12,283
    Who on earth would believe that they have the right to choose when they get to take a drug test for illegal substances?

    Who on earth would believe that a doctor administering such a test would say that it is ok to take it when you feel like it?

    Djokovic and his friend are just insulting people's intelligence.
     
    #17
  18. Chico

    Chico Banned

    Joined:
    Jun 29, 2013
    Messages:
    9,204
    Who on earth would believe the truth????
     
    #18
  19. JoshT

    JoshT Semi-Pro

    Joined:
    Oct 1, 2013
    Messages:
    591
    Location:
    Winston Salem, NC
    Apparently not you sir.
     
    #19
  20. sureshs

    sureshs Bionic Poster

    Joined:
    Oct 1, 2005
    Messages:
    34,756
    The Court of Arbitration

    And it is not "when you feel like it" but when you are no longer ill.

    Get the facts before you post.
     
    #20
  21. Mainad

    Mainad G.O.A.T.

    Joined:
    Apr 1, 2011
    Messages:
    12,762
    Location:
    Manchester, UK.
    But Chico, why are you so sure that you know the 'truth' and everybody else ie. WADA, the ATP and the Court of Arbitration, does not?

    Not even Djokovic knows 'the truth'. He admitted as much. He just chooses to believe and back up Troicki's story because Troicki is his friend and a fellow Serb and I feel that is what all this is about really.
     
    #21
  22. Mustard

    Mustard Talk Tennis Guru

    Joined:
    Nov 12, 2009
    Messages:
    25,064
    Location:
    Cwmbran, Wales
    Am I the only one slightly disturbed at how the WADA doctor was vilified by Troicki and Djokovic? That sort of nonsense can damage reputations and careers.
     
    #22
  23. Sentinel

    Sentinel Talk Tennis Guru

    Joined:
    Jan 21, 2008
    Messages:
    28,892
    Location:
    Brave New World
    Clearly vaudeville is an under-appreciated art in this forum.
     
    #23
  24. sureshs

    sureshs Bionic Poster

    Joined:
    Oct 1, 2005
    Messages:
    34,756
    The WADA doctor till tell him he could take the test later, and WADA tried to cover it up. This was discovered during the CAS hearing.
     
    #24
  25. BlueB

    BlueB Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Jun 18, 2012
    Messages:
    1,684
    Location:
    Vancouver, BC
    Reported...
     
    #25
  26. sureshs

    sureshs Bionic Poster

    Joined:
    Oct 1, 2005
    Messages:
    34,756
    Hey WADA fans, here is great news for you.

    Your government is collecting every piece of information about you from every possible source and it is only for your protection. There are independent secret courts you have not heard of which have approved every request sent by the government to them, so you can be confident that these courts are completely on your side. It is all as per the rules. The fact that you were not consulted about the rules was also for your protection.

    As a sportsman, the government has even more protection for you. Instead of just tapping your information, they have created an agency called WADA which will protect you by probing all your openings. You will be accused and suspended first, and then a court of appeals may look at your case and decide that WADA lied, but you would still be guilty. It is all for your benefit.
     
    #26
  27. Crisstti

    Crisstti Legend

    Joined:
    Jul 8, 2011
    Messages:
    7,261
    Location:
    Chile
    Why are some of you (I don't mean Chico and the like) defending Troicki on this?. There are definitely problems with WADA and the anti-doping system, but giving a blood sample when required is not one of them...
     
    #27
  28. Overdrive

    Overdrive Legend

    Joined:
    Dec 28, 2012
    Messages:
    5,301
    Location:
    Garden of Gethsemane
    You lost credibility because I remember you defending the practice of cheating.
     
    Last edited: Nov 15, 2013
    #28
  29. batz

    batz G.O.A.T.

    Joined:
    Jan 9, 2009
    Messages:
    14,565
    For making an argument? :confused:
     
    #29
  30. batz

    batz G.O.A.T.

    Joined:
    Jan 9, 2009
    Messages:
    14,565
    You might not be paranoid - but that doesn't mean they're not out to get you, eh mate.
     
    #30
  31. Crisstti

    Crisstti Legend

    Joined:
    Jul 8, 2011
    Messages:
    7,261
    Location:
    Chile
    You remember wrong then...
     
    #31
  32. Overdrive

    Overdrive Legend

    Joined:
    Dec 28, 2012
    Messages:
    5,301
    Location:
    Garden of Gethsemane
    I remember someone putting a quote from yours in their signature...
     
    #32
  33. ScottleeSV

    ScottleeSV Semi-Pro

    Joined:
    May 31, 2013
    Messages:
    781
    Unless I'm misinformed, Troicki was found guilty because of the word of one person who claimed he wasn't given permission to put a test back twenty four hours.

    If he was banned on the word of one person, then that's wrong and he shouldn't have been found guilty.
     
    #33
  34. Tennisguy3000

    Tennisguy3000 Semi-Pro

    Joined:
    Aug 19, 2010
    Messages:
    470
    It sounds like there is no consistency on the number of tests given to each player. While I understand the need for randomness in this situation there should be a minimum testing for each player (once every six months or year or???).

    The players should definitely know what the consequences are of not providing samples and/or responding to requests in a timely manner.

    I can't imagine that he couldn't get a 24 window to get the test done. Hmmmmmm
     
    #34
  35. Crisstti

    Crisstti Legend

    Joined:
    Jul 8, 2011
    Messages:
    7,261
    Location:
    Chile
    No, it wasn't simply on the word of one person. There's an undeniable fact here, and that is that he did NOT provide the sample when asked. He refused to sign the form given to him in the first place by the chaperon, then he told the doctor he couldn't give the sample because he didn't feel well. What is contentious is whether said doctor "authorized" him not to take it (and authorization she would have been in no way allowed to give in the first place) or not.

    He simply had to provide the sample like everyone else does. Both his excuse and his story and flimsy at the very least...
     
    #35
  36. Crisstti

    Crisstti Legend

    Joined:
    Jul 8, 2011
    Messages:
    7,261
    Location:
    Chile
    Yeah, just go by what some hater posted on his signature :rolleyes:

    It was taken out of context, but really, believe what you want, I don't have time for that discussion right now.
     
    #36
  37. JanowiczJ

    JanowiczJ Professional

    Joined:
    Oct 3, 2013
    Messages:
    964
    So CNN called a bureaucrat to defend himself from criticism coming from one of the best at his profession and this idiot came up with a child response? "he doesn't know uuuuus, wahh wahh waaah. I may teach him a thing or two about us and then he can talk". WTF?

    Why don't you effin tell CNN, then? Why don't you teach us how important are your job (catching poor/stupid cheaters and only them) You damn bureaucrat? Why don't you defend your organization from the criticism instead of trying to attack the person that criticized your work?

    A damn bureaucrat have not the right to act superior and run away from the criticism. Specially because he's not superior. There are millions of people that could do his job while, apparently, only a handful of people could do what Djokovic does. So sticky to the criticism and clear things up to the press.


    PS: I completely disagree with Djokovic. In order to catch cheaters there shouldn't be no 'Ifs' or 'Buts' you **** in the cup whenever and wherever they demand you to do. Same for blood tests. And still you wont catch the high level athletes because the doping science is much more advanced than the anti-doping science. You get designed stuff with a small half-life and you're good to go.

    I just get angry at those bureaucrats (when no one knows how they got their job in the first place) acting so superior to people that generate so much jobs/money.

    Djokovic is busy doing his thing. He should not be forced to call a bureaucrat in order to get an answer. He may as well tweet about it while taking a dump in his bathroom and he still deserves an answer.

    That or simply shut up: "We can't comment on that".
     
    #37
  38. ford oliver

    ford oliver New User

    Joined:
    Mar 30, 2004
    Messages:
    95
    Troicki's Anti-Doping Test in Monte Carlo

    Chico, you speak as if you were in the room with Viktor in Monte Carlo...why didn't you advise him to be more thorough before he walked out without submitting to the blood test?
     
    #38
  39. Mainad

    Mainad G.O.A.T.

    Joined:
    Apr 1, 2011
    Messages:
    12,762
    Location:
    Manchester, UK.
    Reported for what? :confused:
     
    #39
  40. TimeSpiral

    TimeSpiral Professional

    Joined:
    Jul 9, 2013
    Messages:
    1,291
    Location:
    Gotham City
    I doubt anyone on TT has ever, or will ever, be subject to the regulations of the ITF/WADA. From what I can gather, these guys live under the microscope and police jurisdiction of these regulatory agencies and it is extremely stressful. One wrong move--that doesn't even mean you're doping--could end your career.

    It has been routinely criticized by many people involved.

    This Troicki case does appear to be a case of the ITF, ATP, and the WADA making an example of him, and unfortunately, this will come at a tremendous cost to him and his country (Davis Cup). He, and all involved have a justified right to be very upset.


    Read this article: http://espn.go.com/tennis/story/_/id/9929791/viktor-troicki-ban-cut-12-months-doping-offense
     
    #40
  41. norbac

    norbac Legend

    Joined:
    Aug 4, 2008
    Messages:
    8,487
    You should be happy. The doctor gave Troicki enough time to get a masking agent. If not, his ban could have been worse had the doctor gone through with the test on the first try!
     
    #41
  42. hawk eye

    hawk eye Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Feb 2, 2010
    Messages:
    2,091
    So now he has got another slam? Well then it's 7 now, and counting.
     
    #42
  43. batz

    batz G.O.A.T.

    Joined:
    Jan 9, 2009
    Messages:
    14,565
    Chico, mate - have a word with yourself.

    How many random testing systems allow people to take a rain check and come back and do it tomorrow?

    Train drivers, nuclear workers, pilots - none of them would be allowed to come back tomorrow.

    C'mon dude.
     
    #43
  44. Mustard

    Mustard Talk Tennis Guru

    Joined:
    Nov 12, 2009
    Messages:
    25,064
    Location:
    Cwmbran, Wales
    If you're a professional sportsperson, and somebody comes from WADA to ask you to take a blood test, then it must surely be very obvious that if you refuse to have the test there and then, then you will be in big trouble.
     
    #44
  45. Mainad

    Mainad G.O.A.T.

    Joined:
    Apr 1, 2011
    Messages:
    12,762
    Location:
    Manchester, UK.
    Apparently it isn't obvious to Troicki and Djokovic! :twisted:
     
    #45
  46. Mustard

    Mustard Talk Tennis Guru

    Joined:
    Nov 12, 2009
    Messages:
    25,064
    Location:
    Cwmbran, Wales
    And the thing is, even if the Doctor naively says that it's okay to take the test later, the bureaucrats back at WADA offices will never buy that excuse in a million years.
     
    #46
  47. Mainad

    Mainad G.O.A.T.

    Joined:
    Apr 1, 2011
    Messages:
    12,762
    Location:
    Manchester, UK.
    True. But unfortunately, some of their fans seem willing to do so! :|
     
    #47
  48. TimeSpiral

    TimeSpiral Professional

    Joined:
    Jul 9, 2013
    Messages:
    1,291
    Location:
    Gotham City
    Look, guys. I think you missed this from the previous page:

    The Court of Arbitration for Sport ruling "puts an end to my dreams of being a top player," the 27-year-old Troicki said in a statement.
    "I worked my entire life for it, and it has been taken away from me in one afternoon by a doctor I didn't know," he said.

    [...]

    The court added "there was no suggestion that Mr. Troicki intended to evade the detection of a banned substance in his system."


    Read this article: http://espn.go.com/tennis/story/_/id...doping-offense
     
    #48
  49. Mustard

    Mustard Talk Tennis Guru

    Joined:
    Nov 12, 2009
    Messages:
    25,064
    Location:
    Cwmbran, Wales
    Like I said, bureaucracy. The bureaucrats will take a very dim view to a situation where a player refuses to take an anti-doping test on schedule, when asked to do so. This will have gone well above the Doctor's head, to bureaucrats with power.
     
    #49
  50. TimeSpiral

    TimeSpiral Professional

    Joined:
    Jul 9, 2013
    Messages:
    1,291
    Location:
    Gotham City
    You should use the word bureaucracy more.
     
    #50

Share This Page