Discussion in 'Pro Match Results and Discussion' started by tennisbuck, Nov 23, 2012.
Would Nole at his prime beat aggassi at his prime?
Honestly I think they would be evenly matched on all surfaces. Their order of surface preference is roughly the same. Slow hard courts/Australian hard courts especialy > Fast outdoor hard courts > Indoor or Carpet courts > Clay Courts > Grass Courts. Prime to prime it would be a real battle, but Djokovic has many more prime years than Agassi had already.
My two favourite players. Both have very similar games, and are equally strong off both wings. Australian would be too tough to call as they both excel there. French I would actually give to Novak despite Agassi having bagged one (I expect Djokovic to have at least one before his career his over). Wimbledon I'd give to Andre and US Open again would be a toss up.
Man, these two are similar the more I think about it.
They are similar but Agassi is still more explosive and potent off the ground, while Novak's court coverage and overall defense is in a way higher league than Agassi's. Other than that they are very similar though, especialy the way they time the ball, return serve, feed off pace, change direction, are so accurate.
Both are in the conversation for best returner of all time with Connors and maybe Hewitt as well. Agassi's return being more lethal but Djokovic of course is able to get more returns in play... which is a better asset is always debated.
You mean Jiri Novak and someone who doesn't exist?
Djokovic would be favorite on clay, on the other surfaces i give them a equal chances
btw it's Agassi, not Aggassi
Djokovic's big advantage in movement would win out, I think.
Are we talking 2011 Djokovic? Because I would bet on him over any incarnation of Andre. Their ground games and returns are comparable but Novak's movement would give him the edge and he was stronger mentally than Agassi.
95 Agassi + Poly would give prime novak some serious trouble.
I think Djokovic would win most of the matches. Simply because you said "in his prime". Djokovic in his prime (2011) is simply unbelievably good, it seemed like he could let every ball hit the baseline if he wanted to, he did not make any unforced errors. Agassi in his prime is also great though, we shouldn't forget that he could still take sets off of prime Federer when he himself was 30+ years old.
Agassi played nice tennis, beautiful clean backhand..Djokovic throws himself around the court like a rag doll. Effective game but just not attractive to watch. Agassi won Wimbledon on a grasscourt that might as well have been a sheet of ice...from the baseline... against some monster servers. Djokovic isn't even half the talent Agassi was. Agassi completed a career grand slam in an era of differing court speeds. Today's courts play slow compared to the 90's.
Erh.. so djoker does not have this either? do you actually watch tennis other than youtube clips djokers backhand is as good if not better on the defense which gives him the edge.
False, Djokovic is much bigger talent than Agassi ever was, I watched Agassi since he was very young, Novak would swept court with him in any conditions, any time.I do not even want to mention how much better tactician Novak is.
At his best, djokovic would murder agassi on any court anywhere.
at his best, Agassi would murder Djokovic on any court anywhere.
If we agree that Federer would beat Agassi (and it's true Agassi played him close from time to time), and Djokovic can beat Federer by essentially being a human backboard, I don't see that Agassi would have a chance against Djokovic.
Sampras used to say one problem with Agassi was his footspeed. He just didn't run that fast. Agassi used to try to rip a forehand to Sampras's forehand. Sampras would then hit a reverse forehand and it would come back with angle and pace. Djokovic can do that more easily than Sampras.
That's like saying Federer can beat Nadal
Federer can beat Djokovic who can beat Nadal.
Edit- Also, I think you're underestimating Sampras a little too much.
Fast court = Agassi's advantage
Slow court = Djok's advantage
I would pay to watch this. Sounds like a good match-up
Novak is taller, and has a much better serve. He is also one of the best returners. BJ Novak in 3.
Have they played an exho lately? It would make a really good match, assuming Nole plays at half-speed to make up for the age advantage.
At prime, I'd imagine they would be like Nole-Andy today, with the matches being very close and a little more energy on the day making the difference.
Djokovic would win most of the matches because he is a better defender and defensive play is rewarded on today's courts. The faster court matches would be extremely interesting though.
Sorry, I just don't find Djokovic's strokes or backhand attractive to watch, However I do find these two guys backhands sweet as honey:
I agree. But I'd give Djokovic the edge on slow HC due to his defense and Agassi on grass (if we are talking about real grass). I don't think Djokovic would defeat Becker, Ivanisevic, McEnroe, Krajicek, Philippousis and Rafter on fast grass. Or at least not most of them.
Nole would prevail.
Pretty evenly matched in terms of strokes, but at his best I would give the slight edge to Djokovic on consistency. Agassi probably hit a slightly faster average groundstroke, but had less net clearance. Novak's consistent depth would give Andre problems because, although his half-volleys from the baseline were amazing, he did cough up short balls off that shot. Agassi dominated other baseliners by taking the ball early and running them from side to side, but he never faced anyone during his career that could move from side to side so well and so fast and then hit consistently deep and heavy shots from those positions as Djokovic. Novak, with greater topspin available to him on forehand, can also hit extreme angle counterattacks from wide positions, which caused Agassi problems against Fed. Andre was a great mover, but not particularly fast.
Finally, Novak has a much better serve.
Check out Agassi's recent barroom interview with Tennis Magazine's Steve Tignor, where Tignor asks him what he thinks of the game today, to which Agassi replies, "It's better." Lendl recently said more or less the same thing. The top 4 now could very well be the best four players, on level of play, that have ever played the game.
Agassi - better power and court control
Djokovic - better speed and defense
Depends on the court conditions and who is having the better day.
Maybe Djokovic would win the majority of the time because he is more consistent. If Agassi got on a roll and was able to push Djokovic around, he would win.
I would just be interested in seeing Djoker impersonate Agassi in their match. Djoker would win though..
I think this'd be a great match, both incredibly potent service returners, great ground strokes, this would be tough to pick. One thing that I can give Djokovic the edge on is speed (Agassi's movement not the greatest thing ever) and I think in a big rally, one end of the court to the other, Djokovic prevails due to his defensive and retrieving capabilities.
You have to consider the slowing down of almost all courts. Agassi played on fast courts compared to Novak. Novak will NOT be able to do that on fast courts like how he does that on slow courts
I would give the edge to Agassi.
Is this a joke??
Prime Djokovic was outplayed by Federer @ 2011 RG, 2011 USO (yes, he was outplayed there), outplayed at 2012 AO, and 2012 Wimbledon. Djokovic's talent is to remain standing once the opponent loses the match.
Djokovic ain't the player to go on court and impose his game the way Federer, Agassi, or Sampras used to. He just hangs on. As they say, elite offense beats elite defense.
So 2 of the 4 events you claim he was outplayed at are events he won, LOL! If that is really so however, that is a talent in itself, especialy in contrast to Agassi who as much as I like him often found ways to snatch defeat from the jaws from victory and throw away events he should have won (eg- 1990 and 1991 French, U.S Open once or twice, 2001 Wimbledon).
^^Yeah, the 2001 Wimbledon semi was painful. To beat Agassi consistently you have to bully him around the court, Djokovic doesn't have that kind of game.
Like Hewitt from 10 years ago, or Wilander from eras past, Novak has put up impressive numbers, but we know if other players are at their best he will most likely lose.
This must be a joke! Djokovic outplayed in 2011 SF USO? Yes, especially in the third and fourth set when Federer didn't have BP.
RG SF 2011 was also very close.
AO 2012 I'm not going to comment at all.
Yes you are right:
Not as much but you're a fool if you think his superlative defense will just go away on a faster court. It'll still be leagues ahead of Agassi's.
Best backhand in the world, great video, tnx...
A Djoker / Sampras match up would be much more interesting based on their polar opposite playing styles. I think Djoker comes out on top against Agassi based on superior speed, athleticism and probably even endurance.
We all ready have a guy much like Agassi on tour. His name is David Ferrer. Yeah Agassi was probably better, but it pretty much shows what would happen with that match up.
Still can't believe op f***** up the title
lol wut? any other wisdom you'd like to share, like Sampras was 'probably' better than Isner?
Nice spot. At least it wasn't Eggassi
Ferrer is not a poor mans Agassi, he is more like a poor mans Chang.
Novak would win because he's more of an athlete than Aggasi ever was.
Be a close match though.
Interesting matchup. Nole is one of the best defenders in history but Andre in his prime was a fantastic returner, taking the ball earlier than anyone else. That fraction of a second difference might have been something that would really test Djoker's strength in defending over the course of an entire match.
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