Now About Those Linesmen...

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  1. kimbahpnam

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    I am eager to hear what will develop in the coming days. They were SO bad it was unbelievable. And it seemed like it was the worst in the FINALS! There needs to be some firing done.
     
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  2. elpolaco84

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    absolutely right, the tournament was plagued bad calls, totally unbelievable
     
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  3. PSNELKE

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    Linesman were awful.

    But cmon Djokovic is a freakin, living Hawk Eye.
     
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    Just plain bad.
     
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  5. flyinghippos101

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    lines people and umpires were ****-poor all tournament. The only on-court staff that were superb were probably the ball kids.
     
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    lines people were bad. there was one bad umpire.
     
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  7. Gorecki

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    Well.. as a Nadal fan you shouldnt complaint... 90% of the bad calls were against Nole... but that Hawkeye chalenge on his own serve By Saint Rafa was the dooshiest i have seen in my whole life!!!
     
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    Spoken like a true Nadal fan.



     
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  9. namelessone

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    Just awful throughout the tourney, not just in the final.

    Easily the worst slam in the last 5-6 years from this POV.
     
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  10. Gorecki

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    now now... Bartelby...

    here : you must need some :

    [​IMG]

    it wont help your eyes, since you cant read complete posts, but will definitely help your butt rash...
     
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    Is it too far away to think in the future we may have a fully electronic court?That instantly tells the umpire/noise is made/court changes colour - when a ball is in or out?

    Too far away, perhaps?
     
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    Very true. Have been following the whole tournament and I can assure that it wasn't just this final.

    Never have seen a linesman staff in a GS make either so many wrong calls or even worst totally omit calls.
     
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  13. fednad

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    Linesman were drunk.
    Were they still thinking about Azarenka's shorts?
     
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  14. namelessone

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    They were drunk from day one? :)
     
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    But, today was plain horrible. Even my great grandmother, who happens to be blind in the left eye and with cataract in the right, would have seen those calls in.
    Maybe, it was Azarenka's shorts after all...
     
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    More Nadal love and I got to the butt end of your humour.




     
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    Funny, I went to the Murray v Joker match on friday and one of the things I was thinking during the match was how great the linesmen and women were. I can only recall them being wrong once whenever there was a challenge.

    Looking at them today, they must have had a few drinks before the match because the line umpiring was woeful!
     
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    That was my impression too. It seemed there were very few successful challenges until the ladies finals. That was really bad, and the men's finals had too many bad calls as well. But all in all I thought the calls were remarkably good--especially when you consider the pace and spin of the balls today.
     
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  19. Gorecki

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    it's suiting given your coliform nature, that the conversation would end near those whereabouts!
     
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  20. monfed

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    Absolutely,same here. That was downright desperate from Nadal! :lol:
     
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    kia picked the linespeople :), just like their cars, C+
     
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  22. fednad

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    Seems I missed that point. What happened there?
     
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    1) Rafa serves.

    2) Djokovic blasts a return winner past Rafa.

    3) Rafa looks towards his box.

    4) Toni gives him a sign, then pretends he scratched his ear.

    5) Nadal challenges his own serve in hope that it was out and he has a second serve.

    6) It clipped the line. Point, Djokovic.

    The look on Djokovic's face was priceless, he simply didn't see that coming.
     
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  24. fednad

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    Indeed a priceless act. I saw Tony giving coaching signals on few occassions today.
    This uncle-nephew team does on court coaching. Somebody needs to put a camera on Tony for a full match and am sure, we will have lots of things to talk about.
     
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    Talking about bad/good calls. Pascal Maria did an impressive job out there today!
     
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    The famous chacha-bhatija duo.:)
     
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    This. I think the chair umpires were pretty good, with the exception of one.
     
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    Just wondering: Is Pascal Maria a good umpire overall?

    I can't seem to remember this board's opinion of him.
     
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    Having been to several pro tournaments over the years, I can attest to just how hard it is to watch the ball bounce close to the line and get a good read on whether its in or out.

    I've sat right down the service line and baseline and it is hard to see because the ball hits so quickly.

    What happens is you start anticipating where you think the ball is going to land rather than actually see it hit. A ball will be traveling out, you're sure of it, then all the sudden it drops in two inches in front of the line. I think that happens to these line judges too.

    After sitting on the baseline at a tournament I learned right then and there that line calling was not a job I'd ever be competent at.
     
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  30. chatt_town

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    What kind of money do you all think they make? What kind of money does the chair make?

     
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    http://sports.yahoo.com/tennis/news?slug=ap-australianopen-notebook

    I must have been watching a different tournament.

    Players were only right on 40% of challenges (admittedly some are desperate nothing to lose challenges.

    Is this higher than other tournaments around the world? I doubt it. I think it was pretty good for humans.

    By the way, hawkeye is not infallible. It is accurate to about 3mm. So if you bag out a linesman for getting a call wrong by 1mm (and I suppose you could get them all right?) just remeber that it is quite possible the hawkeye is wrong.
     
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    i dont blame them for making a wrong call on a ball that may or may not have just clipped the outside of the line. but some of these shots were co far INSIDE the court that they nearly missed the line lol

    how can you call that out? oO its like safin disguised himself as a linesman...
    you could tell by looking at pascal maria that he was not impressed with his linespeople at all. especially the one on the far side baseline from where the camera was. that one just seemed to be making a habit of calling novaks shots out for no reason
     
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    Are people suggesting linecalling affected the outcome of the match?

    Players were 60% wrong on challenges (not to mention all their unforced errors). Why don't you criticize them?
     
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    Linespeople weren't up to scratch, making bad calls on crucial points and interrupting the flow of the game. Yeah, the players can challenge, but being dominant mid-rally then having to receive a first serve again because a linesperson screwed up... it's not exactly a positive outcome. I remember one point where Rafa was up 30-0 last night in the last set and the linesperson interrupted an epic rally with an incorrect call, and then Djokovic came back and I think broke serve when it looked likely that Rafa was going to win the point. These things shouldn't be happening.

    Pascal Maria was great though, I thought.
     
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  36. Gorecki

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    you got everything right, except you traded places. it was djok who got screwed
     
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  37. fednad

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    They are cheaters, I tell you.
    That Tony-Phony guys coaches his charge-nephew in the match.
     
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    I think the bigger problem is the challenge system not the linespeople. Although hawkeye technology has improved the correctness of some line calls, it's also added a drama side show to the outcome.
     
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    Telling his player to make a challenge. Wow, what a cheater.
     
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  40. Beacon Hill

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    That could happen if you track the ball through the air and then try to see where it lands in relation to the line. But line judges are trained to get their eyes fixed on the line before the ball arrives. This technique allows for the greatest accuracy possible. Pro tennis has to address the problem of tennis officials being severely underpaid and working tremendously long hours.
     
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  41. Big_Dangerous

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    That was pretty hilarious. I didn't think you could do that though. Even Novak shot him a look like really man?
     
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  42. kimbahpnam

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    Yeah most of the bad calls were against Novak when he was controlling the point.
     
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  43. namelessone

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    Neither did I.

    Still, pretty smart considering the fact that Djokovic had just hit a winner off his first serve. :)
     
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    Obviously Rafa missed some of the signals, else he would have won decisively.
     
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    Yeah I mean I'd be tempted to challenge as well.

    I know you can't call your own first serve out in league matches.

    Novak probably was thinking, even if it's out, I'll just go back and crack an even better winner off Nadal's 80 mile an hour serve.
     
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  47. JohnnyCracker

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    smart? lol...what a moron
    is there any other reason for him to challenge?
    would he have challenged if the return was out? :mrgreen:
    don't tell he just challenge for the heck of it :mrgreen:
     
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    correct me if i'm wrong, but the exact similar happened when roddick got bludgeoned by federer at their SF meeting at the AO in '07. fed hit a winner of andy's serve and andy challenged that his serve was out, which it was not.
     
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    Just out of curiosity, if a player hits a serve that he thinks is out, and is preparing to hit a second serve, and his opponent drills a return by him, why does it make him a moron to challenge his serve?
     
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  50. namelessone

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    Because cracker says so.

    Apparently he doesn't consider that if Nadal gets it right, he gets another shot at the point, though with a second serve, whereas with the current unchallenged situation he loses the point.

    Not to mention the fact that if you look at the link posted by cracker himself, Nadal serves, sees Novak's ball hug the line and immediately looks at Pascal to challenge his own serve, there is no dispute over what to challenge(his serve or Djoko's return), Rafa knows right away.

    Also, for whatever its worth, Nadal's first serve barely clipped the line as seen in the hawkeye challenge, it's not like it was a clear IN. Tactically, it was a good move for Nadal since he was trying to hold serve at the end of the set and Djokovic was dominating him.
     
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