Nptr rating

Discussion in 'Junior League & Tournament Talk' started by Noaler, Nov 4, 2008.

  1. Noaler

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    My highest ranking in the twelves group was 27 in georgia. my ranking now in fourteen's is 173(I'll bring it up since I've only played seven tournaments). So what would my nptr rating be(guess).
     
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  2. rabidturtle

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    3.5 ten characters
     
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  3. Noaler

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    kk, so i'm guessing those in the top ten are lik 4.0 in twelves
     
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  4. slicekick95

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    idk if ur results r ur best measuring stick, if u hav a coach, u can ask him, or you can google it and find the creteria for each level (3.5,4.0)
     
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    They usually say I'm a 4.0-4.5 rated player, depending if I'm having a good or bad day. It's considered amazing for a 14 year old, so I hope I'll be joining some big tournaments in the future.
     
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  6. slicekick95

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    4.0-4.5 isnt amazing at all for a 14 year old
     
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  7. region2champion

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    a 4.0 isn't very amazing at all for a 14 year old. Your just pretty good. What's your ranking?
     
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    i just turned 13 and I'm a 4.5-5.0 (i've heard from adults) and I was only in the 40's of my section, Florida. My national ranking was only in the like 400-600s.
     
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  9. Ballinbob

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    Bro, if you were a 5.0 you would be playing at a Division II college. No way in hell is a 13 year old a 5.0. And yes, a 4.0-4.5 is amazing for a 14 year old. Please, get your facts straight before posting
     
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  10. slicekick95

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    y dont u get ur facts straight!!no a 4.0-4.5 is not amazing for a 14 year old, and no i kno many uspta coach rated 5.0's. and they are definetely not plyn college tennis, they're just highly ranked 13-14 year olds
     
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    Hold on a sec here bud, your telling me you know 13-14 year olds who are 5.0? Tell me what does a 5.0 mean to you? Look at this thread http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=131731. Tonlars is a 5.5 and playing DII college tennis. Your telling me a 13 year old can take games off him?

    Enlighten me
     
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  12. JakeHCoker

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    Hey whats the average rating for a 15 year old?
    And this may sound stupid, but whats the cut off age in Jr's?
     
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  13. Ballinbob

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    Depends completely on how long you've been playing, so there really is no average. If this helps, its definitley not a 5.0 or even remotley close to that. Cut of age is 18, 18 and above you recieve NTRP ratings
     
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  14. region2champion

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    I know MANY 14 year olds who are 4.5-5.0.
     
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    Wow, are they playing college tennis? If what you say is true, they'll be pros by the time there 16. look at this thread http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=131731

    Tonlars is a 5.5 playing DII college tennis. You honestly think these measly 14 year olds can compete with an alleged DII college player?

    Enlighten me
     
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  16. slicekick95

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    a 5.0 to me is "You have good shot anticipation and frequently have an outstanding shot or attribute around which a game may be structured. You can regularly hit winners or force errors off of short balls and can put away volleys. You can successfully execute lobs, drop shots, half volleys, overhead smashes, and have good depth and spin on most second serves."

    Taken from the USTA website
     
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  17. strahan918

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    I have a friend who's 16, and beats our adult friend who plays 5.0 singles and 5.5 doubles, but then again, he's a couple of years older. He doesn't play many tournaments though, because he's not into it, but played at tennis academies.
     
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    Just by that post you show how little you know about tennis. USTA website gives very VAGUE and General guide lines. These players here are true 5.5 and 6.0. Look at this vid and tell me that your 13 year old friends play even close to Santo in this vid, who is a 5.5.


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H62f6Z3-3_o

    also go back and watch tonlars play, hes a good example of a 5.5
     
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  19. TonLars

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    The confusion comes from the difference between: the NTRP ratings chart descriptions, and NTRP level league/tournament results. Since a good 14 year old probably could have all the shots and fairly sound technique, I can see where one could think a kid is a 4.5-5.0, because they cant place him any lower from the chart descriptions. But then adults or people who play leagues, base people's rating strictly on results or complete playing ability. They know that almost any 14 year old wont beat a decent 4.5 mens player, so you can see what theyre saying as well.
     
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  20. slicekick95

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    first of all we are talking about 4.5 KIDS, not adults, adults are much stronger and more developed, so a 4.5 adult would and should beat a 4.5 kid. But their skill level and technique would be about the same!! and stop posting vids and links of 5.5's and 6.0's, i was talking about how 4.0-4.5 isnt amazing for a 14 year old. and yeah theres no way a 4.0 cud beat a 5.5, so stop posting vids of 5.5 6.0 players!!!!!!
     
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    I forgot to mention that you can't reciveve NTRP rating until your 18 (90% sure thats how it works). Ranking system for juniors is different. If a 14 year old "4.5" has the same technique of an adult 4.5, that doesn't matter too much. If their footwork is terrible and they're mentally unstable (which is often the case for 14 year olds), then they cant compete at that level. That's IF they have the same technique. 4.5 is damn good, and you would be one hell of a tennis player if your playing that level at such a young age!
     
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  22. slicekick95

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    u can get a ntrp rating before u turn 18, ur just not judged by it. and a true kid 4.5 does have good footwork. a 14 year old 4.5 with great skill, technique, and footwork would still lose to a 30 year old 4.5 with great skill, technique, and footwork
     
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    I'm not 13, i'm 16 years old, but i think the guys in the vid arent very impressive... I play guys that i feel are quite a lot better..
     
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  24. region2champion

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    Where do you live, like Arkansas cause obviously you've never seen a good Florida junior. Everything you're saying about strong juniors from real tennis states is wrong.
     
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  25. 10isDad

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    Wow! That's pretty strong. "real tennis states"? and to 'dis Arkansas like that. You'd best hope you don't meet up w/ any Arkansas folks in person - they're liable to give you a physical beat-down.

    Y'all need to just can the NTRP talk. It really makes absolutely no difference in the juniors. NTRP is simply tennis' way of handicapping the sport, similar to golf. In tennis, the aim is to put similar skill-level adult players together.

    The big thing to remember is that NTRP is a self-rating system and the descriptions of the levels cause juniors to generally overrate themselves anyway when they try to apply it. With adults, it often goes the opposite way - many want to underrate themselves so they play weaker opponents to win more often.

    You could have wonderful stroke technique, great footwork, have all the spins, etc... The descriptive analysis would say that you're a 4.5 or above. BUT, you could be a total moron when it comes down to how to play the bloody game. You can have all the 4.5 levels strokes and still get clobbered by players claiming to be 3.5.
     
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  26. raiden031

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    You don't know what you're talking about. By definition, a 4.5 is a 4.5 across the same gender. The only time one 4.5 is not intended to be as good as another 4.5, is when comparing men to women.

    But a junior 4.5 and adult 4.5 is the same as long as they presumably fit into the same end of the spectrum (ie. an upper 4.5 junior should be competitive with an upper 4.5 adult, and an upper 4.5 junior should beat a lower 4.5 adult).

    There is an issue with junior NTRP ratings because juniors don't have computer-ratings, but it is NOT VALID to say that someone is a certain NTRP unless they CAN COMPETE with computer-rated players at that NTRP.
     
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  27. region2champion

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    You are right
     
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    Give me a break. He tells you that if the player is mentally unstable he will loose to a true 3.5 player, which is pretty much exactly what I said earlier yet you still argue with me. Also, raiden is 100% right with all he said. Go read his post, Im not going to waste my time with someone as ignorant as you. A 4.5 is a 4.5, there should be no difference between a 4.5 14 year old and 20 year old. NONE. Doesn't matter if their older, a 4.5 is a defined level and is the same across the board.

    Oosting, if your playing with better players than in that particular vid then your playing with pros. Anybody above a 6.0 has an ATP ranking. Oh and if you didn't realize, those guys are hitting 120mph serves (Marsuiz is for sure) and are hitting alot harder than the vid indicates. Vid always slows things down a bit. Kinda like a Roddick serve. A 150mph serve is different on tv than in person
     
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    If I'm a 3.5, then I think people around 50s in fourteen's are 4.0. So I would think that a 5.0 would be very amazing thats like top 50 national.
     
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  30. region2champion

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    I NEVER argued with any of that. All I said was I know some 4.5-5.0 14's. Which I do, and maybe you would see if you actually saw some good juniors down here in Florida.
     
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    Then they must be national players.
     
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    Who really care what someone's NTRP rating is? It has no bearing on tennis, how good you are, or what you want to do. The only time it matters is when you are trying to play in a rated league or tournament, and even then, most everyone is lying about their rating.

    Just focus on your tennis and get as good as you can. Don't worry about distractions like this (NTRP).
     
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  33. region2champion

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    Oh they are
     
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    To be fair I don't think you can rate this off age. I know some little kids who compete with high schoolers. I believe there are young 5.0s
     
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    Take it easy on slicekick95 guys, first of all, he's a little kid. He's only twelve; barely out of elementary school, barely through with wetting his pants, barely getting STARTED on handling his temper tantrums, barely getting over how mommy made his morning cereal in a way he didn't want. All he has is this thread, let him say what he wants; we're mature enough to handle his troll feeding.
     
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  36. slicekick95

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    how am i troll feeding, me n ballinbob just had a disagreement, and i see his point of view, i just disagree. no1's insult n e 1, so can u not insult me for no good reason
     
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    Do yourself a favor, quit while your still in the green.
     
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