NTPR to LTA ratings junior and adult

Discussion in 'Junior League & Tournament Talk' started by MethodTennis, Oct 11, 2009.

  1. MethodTennis

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    Could a moderator (if one ever passesthruh this thread which I strongly doubt will happen) please change the title to NTRP to LTA ratings junior and adult

    I'm a brittish and have always wondered what the translation, if you will, from the NTRP to the LTA ratings . I decided to post this in the junior section so I can include the lta 10.2/10.2 ratings which are junior only ratings although I feel that it may get more replies in the adult tourn section. Please post either your oppionion on this or facts about what the conversion is.

    I'll fill this in as I get a clearer idea of the convesions

    From what I have fund and read the lines seam to get blured further down

    LTA---NTRP

    1.1---7.0

    1.2---7.0/stronger 6.5

    2.1---6.5

    2.2---weaker 6.5/ stronger 6.0

    3.1---6.0

    3.2---weaker 6.0/ stronger 5.5

    4.1--- 5.5

    4.2---weaker 5.5/ stronger 5.0

    5.1---5.0

    5.2---weaker 5.0/ stronger 4.5

    6.1---4.5

    6.2---weaker 4.5/ stronger 4.0

    7.1---4.0

    7.2---weaker 4.0/ stronger 3.5

    8.1---3.0/3.5

    8.2---3.0/3.5

    9.1---3.0/3.5

    9.2---3.0/3.5

    10.1--?

    10.2--?

    I have search for thread about this but could not find one unfortuantly. Please post a link to one if I have missed it.
     
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  2. Moz

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    I've played matches and leagues extensively in both countries and have found that very high up and very low down you can't really equate the ratings.

    Standard wise I think the following are true:

    4.1 - Strong 5.0
    4.2 - 5.0
    5.1 - Weak 5.0 (assuming rating has been earned and not given) / v. strong 4.5
    5.2 - solid 4.5 (assuming rating has been earned and not given)
    6.1 - Weakish 4.5
    6.2 - 4.5 / strong 4.0
    7.1 / 7.2 (if earned in singles tournament play) 4.0

    This is for tournament ready singles players in both countries. For a number of reasons there are exceptions in both countries. As a Brit it is useful to you know that US ratings aren't half as important at the high levels and I don't believe US juniors have them at all. However, at an average club level the ratings in the US are far more important that in the UK because they dictate your level of league participation.
     
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  3. Danstevens

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    This chart is the actual ITF one (albeit from 2005).

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  4. mozzer

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    Theres no way to convert it. Im 8.2 but from reading the descriptions of NTRP there is no way im 3.0. LTA ratings can create the appearance of someone being good just because they play alot of tournaments. The lower rated players cant get in many tournaments to get their ratings up. Its just a vicious circle... I plan mens division 1 doubles so i would home im higher than 5.0 :/ I just way prefer doubles than singles..
     
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  5. raiden031

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    I know nothing about LTA aside from the conversion charts, but you said you're an 8.2. With 1.1 being the best and 10 being the worst, are you suggesting that 10 - 8.2 goes ranges 2.0 to 5.0+, and then 8.2 - 1.1 goes from 5.0+ to 7.0? That doesn't make any sense, because in NTRP most players fall within the under 5.0 range (probably 95%+ of tennis players). The rating systems are most valuable and should have the wider range among lower level players because the rankings speak for themselves at higher levels.
     
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  6. mozzer

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    No, im saying that the LTA rating system is absolutely awful and is meaningless.
     
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  7. Mr.Bong

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    True, and this shouldnt apply to JUNIORS
    since the LTA system needs 7 WINS to boost up a rating for juniors whereas adults only need 2 <- BIIIIG difference
     
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  8. MethodTennis

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    You just bumped a dead thread and yes the lta ratings system is meaningless its a load of crap tbh and is easy to cheat
     
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    Thanks for info.
     
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  10. finishstrong86

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    2.2 = strong 5.0 to 5.5

    TRUST ME

     
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  11. MethodTennis

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    Ratings are a lot different now than 7 years ago. The win loss system changed. When I posted this 2.2 and better guys were full time had or were trying to get world ranking points. Now every 12 year old and their cat is like a 3.2
     
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  12. finishstrong86

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    Yes - I know a guy who is a 2.2 and he is a strong 5.0

    How does the ssytem work, anyway?
     
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    It used to work your rating got better if you won at least 6 matches against people of a better rating (a win) and lost 4 or less matches against people of the same or worse rating (a loss). Ie a 3:2 win:loss ratio with a minimum of 6 wins. This would take place over a 6 month period of a winter or summer season with your wins and losses resetting in August and March and your rating moving accordingly.

    They changed the system a few years back so now it's no longer a loss to lose to someone with the same rating but is a win if you beat them which lead to the creation of the ratings event. Where by because playing people of the same level was risk free now but could provide you with results to improve your rating which it couldnt before. You'd turn up play between 2 and 6 short matches (sets to 4 and a match tiebreak) over a day or a weekend get the required results to get your rating to move. They also changed the ratings change dates to once every 3 months. The whole thing is a farce now. The ratings are nothing like accurate. 12 year olds that are 4.2s while some of our men's county players 5.0-5.5 are the same rating...

    You can get a rating at 10, you're fast tracked to 8.2 in no time and then you pack in the ratings matches and move up 4 times per year. Suddenly you're a 6.2 at 11 move up 4 times the next year and you're a 4.2. My coach is 36 won an international 35s last year, won our national university doubles championship with a partner that's been top 20 and he's had a world ranking 4.2 ... Also some 12 years old that played 4 years is also now a 4.2. Nothing against the 12yo just our system is ****ed. They're phasing it out though. Juniors changed to national ranking a couple years back which helped me big time as I couldn't get in on rating(my area doesn't run match play like other areas) but my ranking was pretty good so I went from not getting into qualies at junior national tour to being main draw which was good because I could win rounds maindraw but never got chance to previously because my rating was poor

    Rant over
     
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  14. finishstrong86

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    interesting.

    Ratings suck.
     
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