Discussion in 'Tennis Tips/Instruction' started by Stergios, Mar 2, 2013.
World No. 7 Jr. by age 18, damn impressive even if he started at 12 and not 14
Yes, either way pretty remarkable. After your previous post, I'm back to thinking that 14 is correct. Anyway, I have no doubt that there are quite a few such gifted and talented (in various fields) people on the planet (out of ~ 7 billion unique mutations).
Most of the Pakistani play alot of squash in their youth (even if its unofficial) racquet sports certainly have plenty of crossover.
The people that could hit 5.0 in one year are world class athletes in squash and badmiton. The caveat though is that with just a few days of play they could likely play tennis at a 4.0 level.
mmmm not sure if you have read that right. I spent about 4 or 5 months in div 3. 2 months in div 2 and about 2 now in div 1.
There's no official test. It just sort of an unwritten rule. It just comes down to w/l and points ratios. Think of it as seasons. When one round or season comes to an end, another is beginning. They see the points are in my favour and I get offered to play in the higher level rounds.
I really do put it down to taking note of things and not being afraid to customise my racquets. People are just too arrogant to customise most of the time in Australia. I say it all the time to try it out. I'm not saying they're no good, or don't train. But they'd rather believe that their 320 gram (11.3 ounce) racquet is going to one day give them a 140 mph serve....
Love the enthusiasm but this is virtually impossible. I think you can have great improvement in one year but to get to a level that not many tennis players get to in their lifetimes, I think it is a tough one.
Hehe, you're right. I might argue that . At the same time, as I mentioned previously, it might be a true approximation of time for one to reach his/her full potential. Although from one skill to another it's possible there are huge differences in that timeframe, too.
But, how you'd personally approach such a goal?
Thats true. I might have a look at this later in year. I might also write a post on experimenting with different rackets. I had quite a trouble choosing the right one for me despite the fact I've read more things about choosing a racket than the average sales man.
Thanks for giving me a thump up on editing the videos. Although it requires lots of extra effort I think it's worth doing.
You have given me some great amount of motivation to start doing a few more videos and showcasing what others might find interesting and entertaining .
You mentioned a few nice topics there. Who else agrees on them?
I think it was your post in early Feb of this year that gave me that impression!:
'I want to break into the higher divisions because those guys play proper shots and it allows me to as well. But stats against these div 3 players have created a barrier that I'm struggling to break.
They (the club committee) want me to win a lot more matches and collect a certain amount of points before I'm allowed to move up -- I just want to strangle them and say "come watch what I have to deal with"'
anything is possible when you are driven, committed and put in 100% effort in everything you do.
I'll be starting my own video diary of 2013 (in this Tips/Instructiion forum) when I finish this post. I'm glad if anything I post might be helpful to you. I've enjoyed all your videos and comments so far. Keep it up.
My own goal is a bit more modest than your ostensible one. But really we are aiming for the same thing ... to be the best players we can be by January 2014.
My own specific, quantified, goal is to be playing at a solid NTRP-based 3.5 level by January 2014.
Looking forward to following your threads. Send me some Greek food, or better yet some Greek money, or even better a beautiful Greek woman if you can. If not, I understand, but would really appreciate it if you could do something like that.
very true. And I did move up shortly after. And I also competed in a professional tournament and did well there too. But I also forgot to mention I was in a higher level at a different club. So thats why I knew better. If you read the rest of it. I updated saying that they (the committee members) did change things around. They did change the conditions because I wasn't the only member that complained about it and they were losing members and money. One thing I've learned with forums in that time, is that it almost feels like you have to battle and that you have to squeeze in every last bit of information to cover your tracks from some ignorant weirdo that selectively uses info out of context.... its very hard to give or ask for advice without an being attacked in some way...
I'm not calling you a weirdo of course! Your question was honest enough
Hi Tom, just going back to the lead question I'll send you a link http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=309803
Thanks mikeespinmusic. Very helpful.
I'm not payed or asked by him but you may want to check this out: http://www.jeffsalzensteintennis.com/T3InnerCircle/trial/
Just a quick update.
I'm on schedule although pretty tight.
I've started recording practice sessions and more things that come along (Goofy stuff for your viewing pleasure ). While I'm trying to organise my self in order to be a able to do a few videos of my progress and the experiences I have with this project as we go.
I'll be getting back answering your questions in the following couple of days.
As for the videos I don't know when exactly I'm going to be able to start doing them. But I'll let you know. As first priority gets the progression of the project its' self.
If you have any questions or Ideas let me know. I'll be very happy to hear!
Thanks for commenting. I'm working hard to make it happen. I know it's a kind of a bold goal. But I'm not far off. Still on track.
Have you seen my progress so far? I'll do more videos so you can give me some feedback.
Hi Mike Y,
Thanks for giving me your thoughts on this project.
You're right about the ranking. And that's defiantly not the goal. But rather to reach the level of play. I'm still working of how I can officiate my level of play as I would reach the end of this period. Any ideas?
Thanks for bringing that up. Zero is just to illustrate my case.
Oh, if I'm not mistaken there isn't 1.0 either. It starts at 1.5.
Wow! That's quite a progress!
And from what I read quite an effort as well.
You should be very proud of your self.
Any tips you can give me?
That's bizarre. As I had spent less than 3 hours practicing my serve in my hole life. Never instructed by then. Although I had read a few things, watched a few videos and I was trying to be aware of my body action as much as possible.
Thanks for cheering me up! I appreciate your comment.
I'm trying hard and I'll upload more vids from the making.
any vids up?
You can see my progress on serve here.
I'm planning on doing a series of videos. I'm currently gathering footage of my practices and I will put them together during this month.
NTRP 5 in one year would be ridiculously amazing. You would have to literally eat, sleep, breathe tennis for that entire year and do nothing else. That is the only way you could possibly do it. All this is contingent upon your athletic ability as well.
I played tennis from about 9 years old to 16, averaging 3-4 days a week. I stopped playing tennis around 16-17 and started up again when I hit 25-26. I've been playing for the past 8 years and I play as a 4.5. I have played with lots of 5.0s, but as many have said...the gaps between 4.0-4.5-5.0 are very apparent.
So latest vid, you have a second year level serve technique, but a LONG ways to go.
The slice serve is 1.5 year level, overall, 3.5, which is very good actually.
I pretty much live tennis. Although with some ups and downs.
It's nice you picked it up once again. As I can see you've spent tons of hours. I assume you should be enjoying it a lot at this level of play.
Thanks for your input. I tried really hard to improve I'm glad you can spot some progress.
My coach is really patient too and I couldn't imagine that progress with out him.
I have indeed improve much since this video. I'll be doing a new one to showcase the progress. Although first in the list of vids are Forehand and Backhand.
You have improved a lot IMO. How much hours are you playing per day? Sorry if this question was already asked.
Thanks for your comment.
I'm coached for two hours a day, six times a week.
I also hit with a ball machine or with a partner a few times a week.
Wishing you luck with your project. You look to be making fantastic progress with your serve. It has some Djokovic quailities to it. You are very upright and still when you toss the ball. Very stable base, and it can only get better.
The fact that youre putting so much time and effort into your game is testiment to your passion for it. Im lucky to share the same passion, except work, time, financial and responsibilities to the missus unfortunetly keep me from playing everyday. In a perfect world Id be out there 24/7!
Looking forward to tracking your progress.
Its not always the case I think. I was a jet athlete in school, all the way up to the end of high school. Sprinting, catching, jumping, athletics I generally did well. Broke the high school 100m record in year 11, played first grade cricket at the age of 20 and won a best and fairest in my first ever year of senior football.
Since early to mid twenties by athleticism has declined. In particular my hand eye cooridnation and self confidence. I took on learning tennis after getting to a point where I wasnt joining footy and cricket anymore becuase of declining skill and the subsuqent frustration.
Learning tennis from the age of 30 has been a slow progress with the decline. At times I come off the court wanting to pack it in and pull my hair out. But then nearly everytime I give it 30 mins and that all goes away and I want to get back out there. Overall my progress learning the game has been slow, especially with what I was used to in my earler years.
Ive found tennis to have the greatest learning curve out of anything Ive ever tried. But it also seems to be the most intrinsically rewarding sport Ive ever played. Small amount of progress feels genuinly more rewarding than anything I experienced on the sporting field.
Stergios, the improvement in your serve is quite dramatic. Very nice video. Without seeing it, I would have predicted that you would get nowhere even close to an NTRP 5.0 level of skills in a year's time. Now I'm not so sure. You apparently have the athleticism and ability to learn that, with continued commitment, should insure continued improvement.
I hope and expect that we will both continue working toward our goals. Looking forward to more videos.
Thanks for giving me a thump up. Very flattered from your comment.
It's true I put quite an effort. I've also made all shorts of arrangements so I can afford it financially.
I wish you find the means, at least for once, to spent more time on court as it seems like you love it.
Nice post HughJars. I first played tennis at the age of 27 (back in 1975). My progress learning the game was very fast in the beginning, but I stopped playing (until 2012) after only one year.
Since returning to tennis in 2012 my progress has been quite slow. Like you, I have come to consider tennis to be the most intrinsically rewarding sport I've ever played. I was a sprinter and middle distance runner in track, a running shooting guard in basketball, a cornerback in football, and a pitcher in baseball, and none of that was as rewarding to me as tennis is to me now.
Enjoyed reading your comments. Is it safe to say that we're both bona fide tennis fanatics now?
I'm working hard on it. I know it's also hard to imagine if you don't see it your self. It's quite funny (And I admit I enjoy it ) when people see me practice for the very first time. The literally find it impossible to believe for how long I've been playing for. On the other hand they also find difficult to grasp how many hours I devote of my self in this project.
I keep an eye on your project and I hope you continue with the same passion till the end of it!
This is for the guys who say technique is everything, an excerpt from an email I got today, from Ian Westermann of essential tennis:
Two short days after returning home to Milwaukee from my three week trip to Indian Wells I headed right back to the airport to take another tennis trip.
This time it was to beautiful Hilton Head Island in South Carolina to help coach a local men's college tennis team during their yearly competitive trip.
It was an amazing week full of time on the court (both playing-in and coaching) that left me remembering several important lessons I hope you'll find interesting.
Here's my top four:
1.Players with inferior technique can still win, even at high levels.
The #1 singles player for the team I coached had the most unconventional technique I've ever seen from a player his level. At first glance that might seem like a put-down but it's actually quite the opposite
He was a high level hockey player as a junior, continues to play hockey at the college level and only just picked tennis up around six years ago, deciding to play on his college team for fun.
This guy hits a quick "slap shot" of a two handed backhand with his top hand literally gripping the throat of the racquet, he hits mostly slice off his forehand side, and his average first serve can't be more than 60mph.
All this against players who have 120+mph serves, heavy topspin off both sides, and massive weapons from all parts of the court.....and yet he finds ways to frustrate his opponents and even defeat them.
What bridges the gap for him?
Quickness, anticipation, an uncanny amount of court sense, and a Nadal-like (seriously) amount of hustle and determination.
Please don't misunderstand me here......I'm not saying that you shouldn't work on your technique, far from it.
However, seeing this guy compete against and even beat players that had far superior strokes to him all week made me realize just how multifaceted tennis really is.
Technique is a huge part of the equation and it's something you should always be trying to improve, but at the same time tactics, mental toughness, and good old fashioned hustle go a really, really long way.
Hopefully that's encouraging to you! You don't need strokes like Federer to be really successful out there, even against really good competition.
You are making good progress, and your technique is obviously being ingrained in you by your coach. I was able to progress from 3.5 to 4.5 in about a year, but i was a 3.5 to 4.0 for a long time before I dedicated myself to getting better. Now I can get a game or two off a 5.0, but would never call myself one.
I think within 3 to 5 years you could progress enough to be a 5.0 if you keep up your current pace.
At least you're not trying to get an ATP point.
Hi there...as another teaching pro here I have to agree withe the gentleman above. Not possible. Although a nice goal to have...tennis came somewhat easy & easier still with a passion and love i have for the game. Clearly the one you have now, but it's taken a lifetime to achieve this level. And please be realistic to the fact that things break down. You don't simply climb to the top - otherwise teaching pros wouldn't be special at all. Dedication is fantastic but people don't realize it takes a lifetime to perfect. Athleticism out the wazoo & an intelligence for the court that doesn't happen overnight. And we all know there are NO perfect players. Not that 5.0 is perfect but it's a very good level. Play to enjoy it - and enjoy the journey my friend...cause that's what you're in for!
I do see some players with some unconventional technique beating players with better technique. And that's misleading in most cases I tend to believe. As the first is most of the times way more experienced than the later.
I also strongly believe that good technique has a broader range of success in the longer term.
Personally I'd prefer advancing in technique than level of play. As I know that level will follow. But not the opposite.
Lastly aesthetics and style of play also counts to me personally.
Thanks for commenting.
Four and a half sounds very good.
Thanks for your post.
I don't want to be disrespectful to teaching pros nor good players. Who have put a ton of effort establishing their level. Of course they are special. And that's the same reason I'm doing that, because is something special.
The only difference is that I'd like to see what I can do different, work different and push the limits of what thought to be possible today.
And to dedicate a year of my self entirely to a sport at 30 years of age its kind of a special too.
So, no daydreaming here. Just a different approach.
imagine me going on a basketball forum. "Hey guys, I've never played basketball in my life, do you think I can make it into a top level high school basketball team if I practice hard for 1 year?" Your post is a complete joke that doesn't even deserve a serious reply
Thanks for commenting.
Should I consider your response unserious then?
with basketball it is actually possible - imagine you are born with 7ft elevation, all you need to practice is catch and dunk.
tennis - you can't born into a player.
it's serious but underserved. Cheers
Hi Stergios, I advice you just to enjoy the ride.
You will never stop learning tennis, ever, you have
the rest of your live hopefully to enjoy the sport
and that's one of the cool thing about tennis, it's hard.
That doesn't mean that you don't put all your effort on
getting better every time you go to practice, I've seen
people playing for 10 years, and they have exactly the
same game as the 9 years ago, they get comfortable
at one level and are afraid to drop a bit at least temporally
the level while learning a new stroke that at the end is
going to be an asset .
I know you did't want to be arrogant when you said that
you wanted to be a 5.0 , but believing that would be
a bit like this :
I dont' get how people could laugh at that Gary Oldman bit. The more he could act, which is the point of this, the more serious he looks and sounds and the further from comedy it is. It doesn't work.
It's not like he's being arrogant. Life's an adventure and he has set a serious goal for himself. I knew a guy that made his varsity high school team after playing tennis for only a year. Pretty incredible. I think if anyone devotes enough time to something, they can accomplish their goals.
Realistic or not, I think it's a great idea. It would be a pretty neat special for a tv show too. You see stuff like the Biggest Loser and Dancing with the Stars. They should start doing it for sports too.
I thought it was pretty funny. Apparently so did Jimmy Kimmel and a rather large portion of his audience. Go figure, eh? Just another of life's little mysteries ... for some of us.
Goran_Ace: Well put! You sir are a respectful voice of reason.
Stergios, all the best to you my friend. I like your enthusiasm and it reminds me that there are times where I shoud be striving for a goal. I'd say if you could get to 4.0 in a year you have done some crazy, incredible improvement. 4.0 is a great place to be. As I have gotten older, had kids and lost some of my mojo, I think it is safe to say I am downgraded to a 4.0(at least most of the time). I still have fun and love the game.
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