NTRP 0 to 5 in a year? Is that possible?

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  1. LeeD

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    Being a 4.0 is not bad.
    That means you can beat everyone you see at a playground tennis court area, and only TRAINED players who play 4 days a week can consistently beat you.
    And if you play against women also, it means you're equal to most lower level college singles player levels.
    But it also took most 4.0's more than 4 years to get there.
     
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    This sums up my thoughts on this matter exactly as well. I had a friend who had similar type of aspirations and he is no longer playing tennis, and hasnt for the last maybe 6 years+ since he failed to achieve his "goal".

    His goal was to win the state highschool tournament, and then be able to beat me in a match. Very similar situation as I shook my head and chuckled, and tried to reason with him about how lofty such a goal was for him and how he should focus on smaller goals and improvement (he was at the time a junior in HS and a fair ways off from even the lowest caliber players at state). He was working pretty hard and improved his game, and made it to the state tournament both of his last 2 years. Both times, he lost his first round and first consolation match soundly, close to double bagles, and he was devestated. He basically gave up tennis due to the real failure in not really appreciating the progress he had made or being encouraged by getting somewhere many probably never expected.

    His goal of winning the state tournament was never achievable in the first place
     
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  3. Stergios

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    Update

    Hi Guys,

    I'd like to thank you for all your comments. I really appreciate them.

    I wanted to give you a quick update on the project.
    The last couple of weeks I hit a low point. I was feeling very bad and worthless. I even thought of quitting. I talked with a handful of people around me of this. I was amazed to realise that to some felt like I'm letting them down. It was a call for moving on.

    By now, by studying closely the NTRP, I might have become a solid 3.0. I know it's not that easy to say, but I hope you'll agree if you see me.

    I've gathered footage that I'm editing at the moment. By the way it takes quite some time to short this amount of footage.

    Anyway, stay tuned and wish me luck!

    Cheers,

    Stergios
     
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    Link to photos didn't work for me.

    More video would be great when you have a chance! Regardless of the feasibility of the 5.0 goal, I think it'd be really interesting to be able to watch your progress.
     
  6. Stergios

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    Hi Avles,

    Thanks for commenting. I'll try to get some videos soon.

    Sorry it didn't work, were you logged-in in Facebook when you tried to see the photos?

    Stergios
     
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    There's no level 0 in NTRP, you start at 1.5. See below:


    NTRP 1.5
    You have limited experience and are working primarily on getting the ball in play.

    In 12 months you are here.
    NTRP 5.0
    You have good shot anticipation and frequently have an outstanding shot or attribute around which a game may be structured. You can regularly hit winners or force errors off of short balls and can put away volleys. You can successfully execute lobs, drop shots, half volleys, overhead smashes, and have good depth and spin on most second serves.[/I]

    No short cuts. It would be take a miracle, but if that's your motivator, by all means keep the dream alive.
     
  9. shazbot

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    The NTRP guidelines are, well at best, unreliable. Every weekend warrior you find at the public courts would read that and think they are a 5.0.

    In my opinion, someone who is self rating who has not played high school or played against any computer rated players, should subtract at least a FULL point from the NTRP scale, if not more.
     
  10. yonexpurestorm

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    i dont see this being possible, but i think its cool that you want to try. setting high goals is the only way to acheive high goals. however, like tony said, dont get frustrated if you dont make it. there is plenty of fun tennis at 4.0 and you will get better as you continue.

    i started at 4.0 about 2.5 or 3yrs ago and am somewhere around 5.0 now. i can tell you that as you progress it gets way harder. the first levels are easier because you can improve your serve and you improve, but as you try to go from 4.5 to 5.0 and then to 5.5 its not about improving obvious things. now you need to improve your shot selection, footwork, strategy, etc. these things arent cut and dry like your backhand. ive played some tournaments where in warmup ill think i can hang with this guy, only to be promptly destroyed because the guy will attack and get everyball, where my legs become jello after 3 gms of intense play.

    i also, havent taken a lesson since i was a 8 and dont have all day to practice like you do. what i can tell you is that i played 4-5 times a week for a year and pretty much went from losing first round opens to usually losing second round. while im not as good as i would like to be, i am better than most people i come across, and just the prospect of getting better and having a chance to compete gives me the will power to continue. you will find there are days you dont want to try anymore and days where you think anythings possible. i still dont think your goal is possible, but ima follow your thread because it would be pretty cool to see someone acheive a feat such as this.
     
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    I agree, that's why there called guidelines. That said, I'm not a big fan of the USTA NTRP, but its the vogue thing. A player should prove it in competition.
     
  12. Stergios

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    Update - sneak peak

    Hi Guys,

    As you might now I'm putting together a few videos lately.

    Here is a sneak peak to some of the shots that some friends of mine took. It's just a rough cut of a combination of shots in order for me to choose. Eventually the idea is to make a short video of 10-15 secs showcasing the concept of leaving everything for a year in order to pursue something totally new.

    Anyway, here's an unlisted link for a limited time only (sounds cheesy :))

    http://goo.gl/pfTCe

    Tell me what you think and don't forget to watch in HD, forehand looks better :) I'm joking!

    Stergios
     
  13. Greg G

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    Nice video Stergios! Looks like your form is progressing quite well! Would like to see some wider shots though. Wish I could drop everything for a year too. Good luck! :)
     
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    Hi Greg,

    Thanks for posting and for your kind words.

    On the rest of the videos I'm doing you can see very clearly the form. I'll be posting in a week's time, hopefully.

    I didn't realise it at first but it's terrifying at times, I mean to swift focus for a year to do something new. And financially questionable. But I hope it will pay off, at least in a personal level. And hopefully will motivate others to take the chances.

    Stay tuned :)

    Stergios
     
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    Very nice, artfully done, video Stergios. Forehand looks good. Around 4.0 at least I'd say.

    This video was really cool, but what's really needed is videos from the center behind viewpoint. Of course, you know that.

    I'm curious, what vidcam and editing software did you use for this?
     
  16. Stergios

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    Hi Tom,

    Thanks! I really appreciate your comment.

    This was shot with a canon 7D (see picture of the set up) and my friend edit it in Sony Vegas. My self I usually edit with Apple's iMovie which is quite simple and to an extend similar to Window's Movie Maker for PC users. Although I'm now getting my hands on Adobe's Premier Pro.

    For most of the videos I'll be featuring soon I'm using a Gopro Hero 2 for all the action and a Canon 5D for all the talking part (see a picture of the making).

    Cheers,

    Stergios

    PS: I watch all your videos! You're very committed and I hope you'll succeed!
     
  17. Lukhas

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    For example, the TW reviewers are between 4.0 and 5.0 for most of them. And even if in the videos they don't always play seriously and may have some technical points to work on, they are darn good. Even though they playtest for a living so they may play better than actual 4.0-5.0 players, it gives an hint of how good you need to be to become 5.0.

    EDIT: For further precision... As given by the Playtester Profiles, for those we have seen lately. Jason is 4.0, Spencer and Sean are 4.5, Chris and Troy are 5.0, and Granville is the highest ranked at 5.5 (surprisingly for me). Andy is open rated.

    PS: Those who think they can should read the manga Baby Steps and reconsider. It's still a shonen (aimed at boys/teens), but it's really very accurate in its content.
     
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  18. Claudius

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    It hasn't been two months already, and the OP already has the form of a 5.0. :???:
     
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    Thanks Stergios. Some nice equipment and software you have there (not to mention the skilled and helpful friends and coach). I've been using Windows Movie Maker 2.6 (I'm running Windows 7 operating system), and a Sony CyberShot S2100. It's a poor man's video setup, but my videos should improve a bit in the near future as I've decided to get a decent tripod when I get my next retirement check. Plus I think there might be some camera setting tweaks that I can do to improve the general quality.

    A guy who I will play in a league match this coming Wednesday evening has a GoPro. I think it's the first series of GoPro vidcams. He clips it on the back fence at my home court when we play. Wonderful clarity and wide angle perspective. Looking forward to viewing some extended vids by you using the GoPro Hero 2.

    I hope you stay committed. Also I hope you continue with some artsy videos. Very creative and entertaining. Mostly, however, I'm interested in watching some simpler vids from the centered and somewhat elevated perspective at the back fence. I think this perspective is the single most revealing one, although I think it's also good to have some side views and centered front views as well.

    Your form does seem to be improving rather rapidly. Hope you continue with the hard work. I had a league match scheduled for this morning which got rained out and we had to reschedule it for next Sunday, but hope to get out on the court this evening to try some experimentation with a Patrick Rafter style serve.

    Best wishes till next communication.
     
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  20. millardus

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    Could you or someone post the link to your blog again please, I cant seem to find it!
     
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    I would say for the first two months, focus on CORRECT form. Dont bother trying to get the ball in with bad form. Once you get the fundamentals you will climb up relatively quickly with match experience. I am 16 and I climb up at 0.5 level a year. Currently at NTRP 4-4.5

    Keep us updated with your progress, look forward to your tennis adventure!
     
  22. Stergios

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    Hi BCTennis,

    Thanks for posting!

    That's what I'm trying to do although a few people disagree with that take on the process.

    Oh, you're a good player! And young enough!

    I'll definitely keep you posted.

    Thanks,

    Stergios
     
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    Hi,

    My coach believes that basic fundamentals bring success slower than just hitting INITIALLY, but it will benefit and improve performance faster AFTER A WHILE. While everyone has different opinions on how to learn the game, I agree with my coach as he helped me progress quickly.
     
  24. aced_Tezuka

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    Hi Stergios,

    I just saw your video and I am amazed. Two months? Wow, great form so far! I trained my friend in the beginning of this year and now he's a starting varsity player! In my opinion it can be done. I believe in you! Video was well done. Wish you luck mate!
     
  25. Deepak

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    Hi Stergios,
    You are doing well and i like your confidence
    I know that this is not the right thread to post my questions but since i got courage by seeing your post, i signed up here to ask my questions (common question for all youngsters ) .I am 19 years old and i understand that its not the age to start teninis at this age but i believe in " nothing is impossible ". I couldn't even attend my college so i stopped it at the middle and called a coach in a tennis academy but he said that its impossible at this age,you better go on with your studies.But I still have confidence that i can do it. May be some one here could help me.

    P.S i am very good at sports like badminton etc




    Thanks,

    Deepak
     
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    The conventional wisdom is that you need to put in 10,000 hours of quality practice to master a complex skill. How much quality practice do you think you can manage, day-in day-out? I think 2 hours is realistic; 4 hours is really stretching it; and 6 hours is impossible because practice quality drops with fatigue, not to mention the issue of one's body breaking down. Assuming the 4 hour figure, you would hit the 10,000 hour mark after 7 years. Most professional hopefuls have achieved 10,000 hours by the time they are 20. So you would be at a serious disadvantage relative to your peers.

    Consider also that most ATP pros hit their physical peak around 25-26. So just as you acquired mastery, you would be starting your physical decline (if not sooner, due to all the strain that you have put on your body). Some things are impossible.

    You can still become a great player, but becoming a professional is pretty much impossible. Maybe it'd be doable in doubles, where a career can last well into your thirties, but how many people go into tennis wanting to become a professional doubles player?
     
  27. GuyClinch

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    Tennis just doesn't get any respect. 5.0 in a year... maybe if you are a former pro squash player.. But those guys start off like 4.0.
     
  28. Stergios

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    Hi Deepak,

    Thanks for posting. You've got a serious questions and it deserves a proper answer. The last couple of days I'm really tired! I didn't have the time or mental capacity for getting back to your question.

    I wanted to let you know that although I don't have an easy answer I'm having your question in to my mind. I'll be writing you on the matter in the next couple of days!

    Have a nice day and keep on playing!

    Stergios
     
  29. Stergios

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    Hi Deepak,

    Thanks a lot for posting and please accept my apologies for my late reply.

    It really motivates me as well when I move people to act upon their dreams. That's the reason I took this project public anyways.

    Back to your question though.
    Although I'm a great believer of "nothing is impossible" I do also know that this statement is staying back to back with "not everything is possible".

    And let me explain. The chances of achieving excellence are really thin. Not in tennis but everywhere else in life.

    In my opinion you'll never really know though until you actually try (after weighing all the advantages and disadvantages you can think of, obviously). Only then you will know if your decision was right and your time and money well spent. After trying your best for a while you'll get the answers you're looking for. And that's the beauty of self-empowerment. If after a good amount of time spent, you wake up with a feeling that what you're about to do comes second to none of the other possible things you might have ended up doing, then you might have taken the right decision. I've used the word "might" consciously because it depends on your needs and priorities.

    To be more specific to Tennis though, I assume from your dilemma you'd like to pursue a professional career as a player or a coach. The latter is, of course, a more straight forward process to attend. As for the first, chances are very slim. And I'm not talking about your age. I'm talking for everyone.

    If I'm not mistaken, from the thousands who pursue a career in professional Tennis only a few hundred can be financially sustained from it.
    Obviously we don't know what would have happen if we had taken Roger Federer or Rafael Nadal to start Tennis at age 20. Two things I can imagine happening. One, they might have reached a level, close to or even have achieved the level at which they're now. Two, they might not have had the time to develop and unleash their full potential. But no one can tell with certainty.

    There is the possibility you can be sustained by your family for as long as is needed in order to give yourself a chance.

    But in this case, one must take into account one's other available options. For example, what would you do if you didn't devote yourself to Tennis? Where would you put your hours and money? What would your goals be in that scenario and what are your chances of achieving them?

    Are you willing to take a high risk for a higher reward if that's the case? And if so what have you learnt from previous experiences? How do you deal with failure? Are you able to put an end to something that doesn't work out for you despite the countless hours you've already spent? Perhaps, you already know that you could enjoy the journey and all the effort even if you don't achieve your initial goal.

    As for being good at badminton it can only be a good thing. Not necessarily becase it's a racket sport but more because you might know what it takes and how it feels to be good at a sport in general.

    I've learnt that my best asset in achieving my goal in tennis is not my physicality but my hard earned ability of learning. Which has evolved through the years and has developed into a life skill in itself.

    Listen to others and follow your instincts!

    Wishing you all the very best with your decision and your success there after.
    Please keep me updated with your progress,

    Stergios
     
  30. Stergios

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    Update

    Update:

    Hi guys,

    I've been playing regularly and I have literally no time other than to rest.

    My daily schedule looks like that:

    I walk up 8:30, I'm usually having about 25 ounces / .75 lt of fresh pressed juice. Then I prepare my tennis bag and I pack a few snacks such as fruits, raw nuts and a sandwich. As well as my daily intake of whey protein and a few sports drinks.

    At 10:00 am practicing with my coach. At least till 12:00. Sometimes till 13:00.

    I then stretch lightly and have a shower to relax my body. I'll have a light meal or my packed fruits and sandwich.

    I rest for an hour and then I go (for a second week now) to hit against a wall. Although some days I hit with others. I spend from one to two hours there.

    On top, every Monday, Tuesday and Friday I continue to the gym, after having something to eat, for an hour and a half worth of strength conditioning as well as a little bit of stretching.

    Check out this picture. That's what I usually carry with me. Oh, and add a medium sized cooler to that.

    Also have a look at my first, and probably terrible, wall session.

    All best,

    Stergios
     
  31. GRANITECHIEF

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    That looks like a cool wall and court. Is it synthetic grass surface?

    Best thing you could do is set up hits with the highest level players you can invite to the court, with a mix of drilling and practice matches. Mix in some doubles too so you can practice placing your returns and serve/volley.

    You should be playing at least 2 full matches a week in order to experience a bit of pressure.
     
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    Hi GRANITECHIEF,

    Thanks for posting and please accept my apologies for not getting back sooner. It was a really tiring week and I just realized it when I woke up this morning after 15 and half hours of sleep (yes, that's fifteen).

    Anyway, that's a very nice public facility I recently discovered. It has a synthetic grass and a nice curved wall. The surrounding is very nice and kind of calming.

    I'm currently not playing with others. Although it happens to hit with others occasionally. That's intentional and something I've agreed with my coach. At least for the time being.

    I hope you like this thread.

    Greetings from Athens,

    Stergios
     
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    Hey Stergios,

    First time I had looked at your post.. After watching your vid, your improvement within a couple of months?? is awesome.. Enjoyed the wall and the game with your opponent...

    I think your technique is going to be pretty solid by the end of the year for sure!! Make sure u get "game time" as well..You need to develop strategies, patience and how to construct points, espically if u are aiming for a 5.0..

    You are progresing very nicely.. Man, I wish I could as much time into my game as u are yours!! All the best, keep those vids coming!!
     
  34. Raul_SJ

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    5.0 is a long shot but it is definitely possible.

    I know a guy who took up tennis at the age of 28 and was playing 5.0 tournaments within a year and a half.

    But he was a great athlete -- played quarterback in college football.

    And he was a physical trainer so he had a lot of time to work out.

    To be a legitimate competitive 5.0 singles player, I think you need to have great running speed, at least a 6:00 mile.

    Do you have the foot speed?
     
  35. Stergios

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    Hi Looseleftie,

    Thanks for commenting. It really gives me a boost sometimes.

    I have in deed progressed beyond expectations. Although I hit a low point a month or so ago, everything I've been working on since I started seems to snap in place.

    I'm working on getting some videos together although it's tough to make them while I'm currently using all my free time for rest. But I definitely will!

    I'll keep you posted!

    Stergios
     
  36. Stergios

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    Hi Raul_SJ,

    That's very encouraging to know! Although I want to be the first! (Joking) Well, not really! (selfish) :)

    Ok, you got the point.

    In a serious note, one of my strongest attributes is speed. And that's one of the things that made me believe in this project early on.

    Thanks for posting!

    Stergios
     
  37. Rafaboy

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    Yes, it is possible, if you have the talent and determination and proper instruction. Go take lessons from Wegner, and practice for about 2 hrs, 4-5 days a week.

    I have accomplished it, with no previous serious training. I ahve to admit though, when I was a kid i used to go hit balls sometimes, but i never knew what i was doing.

    But i trained from aprl 12-aprl-13 and reached my goal. even my friends fo 20 year + experience couldnt believe i was only playing seriously for one year.

    But i have to admit, that with the average/above average human, it may not be possible. give it a shot, you can only get better if you are practicing correctly.

    Wegner really speeded up the results. I have to admit.
     
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  38. Fuji

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    Oh no, there goes this thread. :(

    -Fuji
     
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    You know this guy is going to make it, right? Everybody?? First of all, after coaching college tennis for a year now, I can assess and say that 4.0 players beat 5.0 players - more times than it should happen. The reasons being broad, but mostly in part to the great number of intangibles involved in competitive tennis at the levels of 5.0 and below. One of the most glaring intangibles seems to very evident in Stergios' frame of mind (the most important aspect in all of competitive tennis). The guy has taken a beating in stride from the lot of you pro-waxing, self-righteous tennis folks among this message board community for three months now - and done so with grace and perseverance. Not one among us has rocks like this dude. Abandoning his life for a year to become awesome at tennis??? Straight boss, and you know he'll make it happen. I stink at tennis, never will I get above 4.0, so I know how hard it is. But it's not like he said he was going to be ready for the Red Bull Space Jump in a year.... quit hatin'.
     
  40. GuyClinch

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    4.0s beating 5.0s just means one of the two players is lying about his rating. If that happens then one or the other would be rated higher/lower.. <g>
     
  41. LeeD

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    Dreaming, wishing, hoping, and praying only takes you so far..... then you get that cold reality slap in the face.
     
  42. LeeD

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    For the hundredth time....
    NOT ONE 5.0 or better player thinks this is remotely possible.
    If you are 2.5-4.0, it's possible you might believe it's possible, but probably not.
    If you don't play tennis, it's possible.
     
  43. Stevo Karlovic

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    For the second and final time....

    Of course every 5.0 or supposed 5.0 wouldn't think this is remotely possible. Because when it happens, it makes them look very unimpressive. Its also very typical for high-level tennis players to act as if they are on some plateau that most other people will ever get to. Stop speaking as if this posed scenario has a finite answer.
     
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    It is a fact that a 5.0, a legitimate 5.0, will never lose to a legitimate 4.0 player.

    You are in essence insulting the hard work of a 5.0 level player that has trained for years and logged thousands of hours on court to achieve that level.

    You need to respect that.

    Stop trolling and wasting everybody's time with these ridiculous claims.
     
  45. user92626

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    I wouldn't say never. I think rating is more of a guideline (used for setting up tournaments and such), beating or losing still has to be done in a real match. A 5.0 can have a bad day just as #1 Djokovic does and lose to a lower level, ranked player, no?
     
  46. duffman

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    No chance, the difference on the pro level tour is actually really small, at least in men's tennis. The difference between a legit 5.0 and a 4.0 is so big that it couldn't happen.
     
  47. Vertiz

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    It is highly unlikely anyone will get to 5.0 in one year. Although I don't really go by NTRP as I'm only 19 and have been going off of regional/national rankings along with stars on tennisrecruiting. Most players attending Division 1 Universities are 5.0 I would say, and some are higher. From personal experience, it is impossible to reach this level in a single year. It takes many many years, a lot of experience, a lot changes in your game, and a lot of hard work to reach this level. Like some other people have said, 3.5 or 4.0 might be possible in a year if the person is both really talented and serious.
     
  48. Raul_SJ

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    It is impossible.

    I have personally seen hundreds of 5.0's play (at the college level) and their level of power, technique, footwork and consistency will simply overwhelm a legitimate 4.0 level player... Most of the 4.0 players at our club struggle to even hold a rally with the 5.0 players.

    Even if the 5.0 player has a bad day, it won't be nearly enough for the 4.0 to take a set. the 5.0 player will always prevail.
     
  49. Raul_SJ

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    Yes, 4.0 in a year is a realistic very achievable goal.

    Although I am not one of those saying that 5.0 is totally impossible.

    As I previously mentioned, I know one player that took up tennis at age 28, trained full time, and within 18 months, became a 5.0 player (winning matches at 5.0 tournaments). But he was a college quarterback and a great athlete.

    In any case, it doesn't really matter weather he reaches his ambitious goal of 5.0 or not.

    The important thing is that he has given his 100% effort and commitment to training.

    At the end he will be a far better player than when he started out.
     
  50. Stevo Karlovic

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    Listen Raul,

    I'm certainly not trolling (I don't have enough posts to be considered that), but rather encouraging our boy Stergios to defy what all the 5.0 players believe to be unchartered territory. I've seen, with my own eyes, countless matches where 5.0 players were dogged by 4.0 human backboards. This isn't a new theory, as pushers are somewhat populous at the 4.0 level. I don't feel the personal inadequacy to list a resume, but know that I'm around the courts enough to have seen it, and not infrequently, among many other surprising things.

    And if you honestly believe that respect is deserved for anyone who has trained for years and logged thousands of hours on the courts to become only a 5.0 NTRP, you must be delirious. More like, "congrats on wasting thousands of mommy's and daddy's dollars so you can play in the sun every day, to ultimately make it as a local teaching pro. Good job Raul!! You deserve SO much respect! I'll stop trolling for you Raul - but only for you. Because you deserve so much respect. What happened to becoming a 6.0? A touring pro? You just want to be respected so you don't feel personally inadequate for topping out at 5.0. That's your plea, bro.

    At least our boy Stergios is man enough to realize how precious and brief life is, and go for it - on his own dime, too.
     
    Last edited: Jun 4, 2013

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