NTRP 0 to 5 in a year - Video Diary 2013

Discussion in 'Tennis Tips/Instruction' started by Stergios, Apr 30, 2013.

  1. LeeD

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    Yeah, strokes hitting and match play are two different animals.
    Today hit with the local winning A/Open player. About even, he reaches beyond his alley, I watch his alley shots zip by without moving out there.
    But we're hitting TO each other.
    I'm maybe a good 3.5 singles player, but close to 4.5 in doubles.
     
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  2. pvaudio

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    LeeD, if you're held together with spit and Kleenex like you say, why are you playing against open tourney winners?
     
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  3. LeeD

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    He was desperate for a hit.
    I mentioned his Dad is like 67 years old, and a 3.5 who hits like a 3.5. I beat him bagels EVERY time in singles.
    Josh often comes by himself, knowing his Dad will bring the ball machine. Dad didn't today, rode his bike instead.
    I think Dad mentioned to me that his son remembered we beat them 3 straight sets in doubles a while ago (maybe 4 years, maybe 5 ago), but he didn't ask me to hit, his Dad did.
    I know my place in the world. I normally play with fellow old farts who play in the 3.5 singles, 4.0 doubles levels. Of course I dominate, but that's against old farts with no real shots. I just can't run at all.
     
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    This isn't really relevant to the thread, but Antonio Gates was a star football player in high school who was recruited by Nick Saban at Michigan State. He may have been lazy in high school, but he definitely had significant training as a youngster and didn't just make the NFL after playing a year of football.
     
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  5. LeeD

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    49'er's, in the supplimental draft, took that 6'8" x 303 lbs discus throwing Englishman for future consideration at DE. He didn't play American football.
    He runs the 40 in 4.7, and a standing vert of 40".
    He can be a star within the first couple years, if he doesn't get shellshocked by getting hit.
    OTOH, he doesn't touch the football.
     
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  6. Relinquis

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    lol...

    people are calling him 4.0 based on his promo vid and he's only been playing for a couple hundred hours. imagine what he's going to look like at year end...

    go for it Stergios!
     
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  7. HughJars

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    People might be interested in the SMART goal setting principle, which has worked well for me and some other people I know, not only in my sporting endevours but life in general.

    S: Specific
    M: Measurable
    A: Attainable
    R: Realisitic
    T: Timely

    For example, Ive set myself a goal in tennis to:

    (S): Bring myself to a level to be competitive playing Division 7 Pennants Tennis for a club by the start of next season (summer). I'm focussing on developing my game on a serve volley strategy and my quickness across the court which I think is a strength.
    (M): Measured by a positive win/loss ratio by the end of the next season
    (A): My motiviation, attitude, fitness, access to courts, coaches and resources means this goal is attainable I believe.
    (R): I believe this is realistic given my current work ethic, my level of improvement so far, observing other players, my coaching/playing schedule and my performance in the social tennis ranks.
    (T): I have till October to reach this level. This is plenty of time.

    Sergios broods positivity and motivation, which is awesome. Positivity goes a lpng way in life, beyong ability often. Vice versa for negativity and a bad attitude, which can pull someone down and limit their potential.

    I think many will be able to relate to his experiences as they are in the same boat when it comes to learning the game. It will be great to follow. I hope he doesnt get overwhelmed trying to reach his end goal, and that he's considered similar parameters when setting his goals.

    I think people are taking his goal out of context a little - from what I've read he's level headed and will be happy with just becoming the best player he can be within the constraints of what he's got, and enjoy the journey at the same time.
     
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  8. LeeD

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    Relinquis....
    What people of unknown skill levels SAY his strokes appear to be, and how he actually PLAYS his matches at, are totally different animals.
    Lots of little old ladies, and some solid 3.5 men, say my game looks like 5.0 thru Open. I say my game is a solid top of the heap 3.5, while my doubles game might reach into the 4.5 levels.
    Don't matter WHAT your game LOOKS like, the only determining factor is how well the game matches up in real competition against various skill levels of the various competitors.
     
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  9. HughJars

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    Would love to see a match between Stergios and Leed.
     
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  10. LeeD

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    Think...
    He's been playing for maybe 4 months now.
    I used to play A/Open competitively.
    While I may have slipped to highest 3.5 on my worse days, he is now where near 3.5 yet.
     
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  11. Relinquis

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    yeah, leeD, that was as much at dig at the people who rated him 4.0 as anything else ;)

    Personally, I can never get motivated by SMART goals... sure, they are useful for quarterly budget setting at work, but it isn't something that is going to get you out on the court when your body is aching and you know you have to ice and tape your feet after you play...

    it's not going to get you to focus on finding that small adjustment that will allow you to half volley as you rush into the net after you've been at it for 45 minutes without success...
    it's not going to give you the intensity to practice that backhand rally pattern for another half hour just so it is seared into your brain...

    some people need to be inspired, they need a muse, they need to dream... otherwise, there is no purpose, no meaning, no challenge and no joy in the work and struggle...
     
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    I'm a surfer. Surfed 6 days a week from '65 thru '74, when I started tennis.
    No goals, enjoy the journey, don't pressure yourself into making it work.
    If it's meant to happen (get better), it will. If it's not, no amount of practice will get you near the top.
     
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  13. HughJars

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    Meh - half your age, a positive, happy-go-lucky and modest attitude, nothing to lose, all to gain - I'd put money on Stergios smashing you like a guitar.
     
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  14. LeeD

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    :) Since we'll never get to know, sure why not?
    I hit pretty even with a A/Open player today, but no ONE SEASON player would hit like that, would they?
    I'd have to constantly be on the lookout for mi****s after mi****s, frame balls, double faults, and lucky winners....:)
     
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  15. WildVolley

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    I'd definitely go with LeeD, even though the video evidence showed that Lee could hardly move around the court.

    Experience is going to count for a lot. Assuming Stergios is telling the truth, LeeD's decades of tennis experience is going to be too much for Stergios to handle.

    Someone should put this match together, it would be a great pay-per-view!:)
     
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  16. bhupaes

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    Yeah, Stergios has no chance against LeeD, none at all. LeeD just has to use the same tactics he used to destroy BumChikaBoomBoom in 1965 - simple!

    (j/k, just having some fun, LeeD! :) )
     
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  17. tennisnut09

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    I like this post. Good luck to the OP! Guys, this is a project.....the OP can reach his goal or can not. It does not matter that he reach the goal or not, he will gain a lot at the end of his project.
    In my opinion, he can possibly hit like a 5.0 at the end of his project but I don't think he can win a lot of match again the 5.0.
     
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  18. kiwistar868

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    Five stars topic ?

    You got to be kidding me?
    Count me as one of the minorities:
    1. He only posted one video (definitely not a NTRP 0 or even a beginner). no more videos after he promised
    2. We don’t know any progress he made since
    3. Probably want to get some traffic for his blog and Youtube

    This is the first and last time I check this topic
     
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  19. Stergios

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    Quick update

    Quick update.

    Hi Guys,

    Today there was no practice and tomorrow will be the same. My coach is travelling to Italy to play a club match. (He's hired to do so, so lucky :)).

    --Warning: Irrelevant to tennis--
    As I had postponed everything irrelevant to tennis, a molded wall behind my kitchen's sink was bad enough to make me eat out. And that's not good for my project. And not to mention what it does to my budget!

    I thought it would have been a great opportunity to relax by doing something different. Well, wasn't that much relaxing! The last 2 days I've slept 3 to 4 hours each day and haven't stopped a minute. I'm totally and utterly exhausted.

    That's the reason I haven't respond to your comments which I've read all and I have to say that you're a great motivation. I'm so lucky to be able to share my project with others. Some of you have really nailed the main idea of the project.

    I'll be answering and commenting on your comments on Sunday, fingers crossed!

    Once again thank you! I really mean it!
    I'm leaving you with some -tennis irrelevant pictures of today!

    P.S.: As I'm writing this post I'm kind of dizzy and ready to sleep. I'm sorry if something doesn't make sense!
    P.S.S.: I also like to recommend a book I was reading lately which is called "The One Thing" by Gary Keller and Jay Papasan. The authors are talking about how greater the chances of success are if you're focused on just one thing.
     
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  20. LeeD

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    Molded wall behind kitchen sink....
    Hammer and remove all rotten backing down to stud walls.
    Screw in new waterproof hard board, tape the seams, and cover with tile of your choice. Really takes about 2 days, 4 hours a day. Bat insulation is the easiest if you want to insulate.
     
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  21. beernutz

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    You might consider revising your signature from 'NTRP 0 to 5 in one year project' because,
    a. there is no such thing as a NTRP level of 0 as the lowest defined level is a 1.5
    b. based on your video evidence and the USTA definitions below you are NOT an NTRP 1.5 but more likely you started this project with the skills in the 3.5 range.

    So 'NTRP ~3.5 to 5 in one year project' is probably a more accurate description.

    1.5
    You have limited experience and are working primarily on getting the ball in play.

    2.0
    You lack court experience and your strokes need developing. You are familiar with the basic positions for singles and doubles play.

    2.5
    You are learning to judge where the ball is going, although your court coverage is limited. You can sustain a short rally of slow pace with other players of the same ability.

    3.0
    You are fairly consistent when hitting medium-paced shots, but are not comfortable with all strokes and lack execution when trying for directional control, depth, or power. Your most common doubles formation is one-up, one-back.

    3.5
    You have achieved improved stroke dependability with directional control on moderate shots, but need to develop depth and variety. You exhibit more aggressive net play, have improved court coverage and are developing teamwork in doubles.
     
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  22. TomT

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    @Stergios,
    Make sure to get necessary sleep. So important.

    RE what beernutz posted, I agree that you might well consider renaming the thread/project to something like NTRP 3.5 to 5.0 in a year. Which is, I think, from what I've seen, closer to the truth, and also it's a marginally realistic goal given your age, energy, and motivation. That is, a young and talented and motivated young person going from NTRP 3.5 to 5.0 in a year isn't as totally out of the question as going from 0 to 5.0 is. Though it's still quite a tall order, a formidable goal.

    RE what LeeD posted, I think he knows about fixing stuff related to your mold problem, as I recall reading about him doing some extensive sheetrock work recently.

    Get that mold problem fixed as soon as possible. And get some rest. :)

    Looking forward to your next vids, etc. Thanks for the emails.
     
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  23. ShoeShiner

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    Keep Going. I like to follow your thread. :)
     
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  24. Stergios

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    Things in perspective

    Hi Guys,

    I'd like to address the suggestions to rename my project 3.5 to 5 in One year. Suggestions was made based on my recent promo video.

    Although I've written about these things here and there, it would be nice to put things in perspective for those who are new to this thread. As well as those who might wonder.

    On Saturday the 12th of May 2012, I had a hectic day. My car's battery was dead and I was a few kilometres away from home. I really didn't want to deal with it at all, if possible. I wanted to do something new and active. I recall, I called up a friend even before calling the road service. My friend was working at the swimming pool of a Tennis club. "Can you find me a coach to try Tennis right now? I asked her".

    She managed to book me a lesson for the day after. And there I was, trying Tennis for the very first time! Well not really, since when I was 6 or 7 my parents took me to a tennis academy near by our home. The only thing I can still remember is that I was crying and wanted to leave in the first 10 minutes. I told my parents and grandpa that I don't want to touch a racket never, ever again. And that was it!

    Anyway, back to early summer. I was searching for a sport that I could be good at in order to do an extreme project on learning it. I tried rock climbing, skydiving and go karting among others. I also started playing Tennis every Tuesday and Thursday in a Group for total beginners. It was a relatively large group of six and I never felt like I had enough of it.

    At fall I was almost certain that Tennis would be my sports challenge.

    On December I started training with a coach intensively in order to see if I feel alright and if my body can handle the daily routine.

    On January 2013, I put aside 80% of my savings in order to join this project. On top I declined an offer to work for a month in Italy. A ridiculously good work opportunity.

    A few facts about my Tennis:
    May - September I had at the most ten private lessons with three different coaches. I took part in a group of six beginners for 26 times.

    Till September I had never tried to serve. Not a single time.

    Till December I had never volleyed (except accidentally :))

    Till late January I had never tried a slice.

    Till February I couldn't pick up a ball with my racket! (Very frustrating!)

    On January, I changed racket, grip and stance.

    The promo video was recorded on 15th of April. And by that time as per Paris, my coach I was just a 3.0.

    Till now I've played at the most 15 games in my hole life.

    I know I've progressed beyond expectations (although I hit a low point a month ago) and you're right to be skeptical. My coach is telling me that if he didn't know me he would have a hard time believing that I'm practicing for just a few months.

    But, that's good I believe.

    I hope I helped put things in perspective!

    Time to sleep! So tired! Early practice tomorrow. zzZ

    Stergios
     
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  25. Stergios

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    Update

    Update:

    Hi Guys,

    Sorry for disappearing for a while. The last three weeks have been hectic for me.

    I've recently finished my kitchen and then I decided to go over all the things I had put aside since I started this project. There were lots of small things I had to do from filling my Tax forms to shorting out my storage room.

    In the meantime I had a small incident and my achilles tendon on my left foot is slightly irritated. Although I can still run, I'm having some difficulties serving. But, I'm positive it will gradually go away in the next couple of weeks.

    It's really hot the past few days (32C/90F) and I also need some time to rest and cool down, literally. But I'm also eager to get these videos I'm keep talking about (for over a month, oops! sorry :)). I'll go over all the videos I recorded last month in order to cut a few clips that represent my progress. Sounds easy, but a pretty daunting task to me. Especially if you consider the huge amount of media of more than 30 hours and 50GB of hard disk space.

    Anyway I'm leaving you with a small segment!

    Best to all,

    Stergios
     
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  26. TomT

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    Nice to hear from you Stergios. Good hitting, especially liked the view from behind and also on the red clay. Looking forward to more vids, and details on what you're doing to improve.
     
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    Hi Tom,

    So nice to hear from you. You said once that I inspired you to start your project. But, I can surely tell you that your dedication inspires me as well.

    All best,

    Stergios
     
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  28. pushing_wins

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    so you are going to post a video of you winning a 5.0 tournament by 12/31/2013?
     
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    As unlikely as it seems I had seen one player start off as a 3.0, with no tennis experience whatsoever, and end up as a pretty strong 4.5 in about a year. He is a mid level 5.0 now, which in my section means he has to mostly play in the Open division and he lasts a round or two depending on the draw.
     
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  30. LeeD

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    We've conceded it's possible for someone to go from beginner to 4.5 in one year. It's the 5.0 we have problems with.
    A good athlete, big and strong from the beginning, get's a good jump on the scene with some instruction and a willingness to learn from watching other's.
    5.0 is world's away.
     
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  31. d-quik

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    I never knew TW testers were 4.5s........ Wow those videos don't look anywhere near that intense.

    Anyways I def. Think it is ****ING doable in that case and I hate superficial positivity.

    Wow I still can not wrap my head around the fact that Chris Jason Mark et al. were 4.5s wtfwtfwtf shshfbrucbfueaaaaaaa
     
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    I consider myself a fairly decent athlete. I played div 1 baseball and could hang with div 1 basketball players. I started playing tennis at the age of 28 and it took 2 seasons to get rated at a 4.0 from a self rated 3.0. The next year I got bumped up to 4.5 and after playing for a total of 6 years I finally got bumped again to 5.0 where I have been for the last few seasons. Also, these are actual NTRP ratings, not an "I played so and so and he thinks he is about a 4.5 even though he's never played a match and I can rally with him so I think I'm a 4.5" rating. Go watch some real 5.0s play and then rethink how unrealistic this is.

    Anyway, its nice to have goals, but its also important to be realistic with your goals, otherwise there is the possibility of a big letdown which leads to frustration and not enjoying the sport. When I first started playing, I was watching a tournament and thought how great it would be to somehow be able to play against 4.0s. Once I got there I was able to readjust my goals and go from there.

    One more thing, the level jump from 4.5 to 5.0 is pretty big. You may think you are close to 5.0 after reaching a 4.5 but in reality 5.0s can exploit any weakness you might have as well as not having much of a weakness for you to exploit as a result of solid fundamentals from years of playing matches and practice.
     
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    Dude I wish I had started some kind of diary when I first started tennis. I was level 0 lol. Not even 1.5. I couldn't even hit the ball when I threw it to my racquet (I had NEVER picked up a racquet before). I got to 3.5 in 8 months, playing 2 days a week with no coach. Just youtube videos lol.

    I couldn't imagine going for 5.0 in a year. It would take some of the fun out of it for me. If this is 100% serious, then good luck.
     
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    I find Duffman's progression pretty normal for a good athlete.
    I doubt OP is a good athlete, based on his earlier vids.
     
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    this sounds pretty legitimate, particularly for your age.
     
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    give me an athlete, 10 hours a week, and you have 4.0 pretty easy.
    20 hours a week, and you're playing 4.5 tennis
    everyday like you play in college, there's no telling what a year can do, maybe a strong 4.5, weak 5.0, maybe better

    college team needed an extra player to fill roster, soccer player joined with zero tennis experience, after hitting 3-4 hours everyday for 3 months, was crushing 4.0s
    end of the semester, was beating 4.5s in matches more than half the time

    way to be positive leeDer
     
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  37. LeeD

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    You're wrong, of course.
    Read Duffman's post.
    He's right on, for a college athlete changing sports to tennis.
    In ONE year, you still cannot handle changes of pace, spin, speed, moonballs, slices, dinks, stalling, and tactics because you have NOT seen it or experienced it.
    Maybe in your 4.0 world, it's possible to get there, but you won't be competitive against the stronger 4.0's. I do agree a very good athlete can reach strong 3.5 level within a year, but even HE will lose to strong league 3.5 level players just based on their smarts and change of tactics.
    And of course, a one season player can enter A/Open tourney, but that doesn't make him that level of player.
    I base this on knowing over 300 players better than 4.5 thru my 30 years of tennis, and NONE got there in less than 4 years.
     
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  38. LeeD

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    Oh, let's RESPECT the guys who have made it to 4.0 or better. It took tons of practice, lots of hard work, and YEARS of playing tennis, including years of 4 days a week and 3 hours a day, just to get there.
    And some solid 4.0's have been playing tennis for more than 4 years.
    Just because YOU are a 3.5 and wish to project it's possible to reach 4.0 in a year doesn't make it a reality or even a possibility.
    Just like the 7' high bouncing serve, we wish it could be true, but that doesn't make it true....or possible.
     
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  39. Stergios

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    Hi Guys,

    Sometime ago I made a video to showcase the ideas behind my project. Although I never published it since my good friends help me do this project promo video instead.

    But today I felt like sharing it.

    Enjoy and let me know if you liked it.


    Stergios
     
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  40. LeeD

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    Video says it all. You are looking to be a film maker and promoting things, rather than seriously want to get good at tennis.
     
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  41. Stergios

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    Hi LeeD,

    I consider my self pretty serious and committed towards my tennis. Although I might be missing something you now better.

    As for doing videos, that's something I love doing and the one thing I gave up initially in order to play tennis.

    In fact I sold my main camera and lots of my gear in order to finance this project. Although, I couldn't help it and bought a camera again just a few days ago. In order to merge the things I love doing the most at the moment.

    Also, when I first started this project it was more about me. But now has become something way more and bigger than me.

    I hope to inspire others to take the leap and start or get back to sports whatever their age may be and to an extend their financial means. And if it happens to be at their late teens and wonder if its to late for them, I want them to know that it's never to late. And if they're in doubt then look at this project and say: "hey, if this guy did it at 30, what can I do at 15?" .

    To better communicate all these ideas, I write and do videos. But the main reason for joining Talk Tennis was and still is to get help and motivation to keep on going and ultimately reach the core of this idea.

    All the best,

    Stergios
     
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  42. TomT

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    I like it. Very well done. I wonder about putting some visuals or pics in the background. Also experimenting with different styles of music. Anyway nice job Stergios. I hope to play later today if it doesn't rain, and will hopefully have some video.

    Oh, by the way, I watched that vid of the rain at the courts. Wow! :)
     
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  43. pushing_wins

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    thats the problem with democracy. there are too many cooks in the kitchen and it just leads to pages and pages of arguments. A waste of time and an inefficient allocation of resources.

    stergios

    could you please clearly define 5.0?
     
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  44. pushing_wins

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    could you clearly define a 5.0?
     
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    cool imaginary story you just made up

    no. At best you'll have someone that could look really solid in practice. Good serve, good looking groundstrokes in a rally (aka practice). Then in a real tournament he goes down 6-1 6-1 to an experienced 55 year old using a big bubba racquet. This is reality, not fantasy magical land
     
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    Hi Pushing_wins,

    Thanks for posting.

    I'm not entirely sure I understood what you mean.

    As for 5.0 I don't have a definition other than the one defined by the USTA here.

    Cheers,

    Stergios
     
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  47. Stergios

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    Hi Tom,

    I'm glad you liked it!

    It's very unlikely to see something like this in Athens, Greece. Especially at this time of the year. Pretty amazing, eh;

    Have an enjoyable practice Tom and bring some videos!

    Cheers,

    Stergios
     
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    Well, if we are going by that, practically ANYONE can go from 0 to 5.0 in a year. Hell, you may already be there right now. Congrats.

    If you are interested in becoming a real 5.0 player, you will need to play a competitive match against a computer rated 5.0 player. In your neck of the woods, you will probably need to find a player with a Div 1 college offer or one of the top ranked juniors in the country. Good luck with that.
     
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    couldnt agree with you more. just wanted to add. it should be in a tournament setting as well. not just a practice match tiebreak. good D1 school with a full ride just to be safe. you should err on the side of underestimating.
     
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  50. JoelDali

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    5.0 is easily attainable if you work hard and remain pure and celibate.

    5.0 is just 1 level above a crappy rec tennis player so its not like he's going for 7.0
     

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