NTRP 0 to 5 in a year - Video Diary 2013

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  1. pushing_wins

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    you are kidding right?

    2847 players are 5.0+ out of 300000

    0.947%

    http://www.usta.com/Play-Tennis/USTA-League/Information/Year_End_Ratings/

    thats almost 3 SD from the mean. 5.0s are outliers.
     
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  2. JoelDali

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    I'm dead cereal.

    A 5.0 is 1.0 above a 4.0.

    Anyone serious about the sport can get to 4.0 with relative ease. Therefore the jump to 5.0 is closer than you'd expect.
     
  3. pushing_wins

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    Normal distribution

    For every slightly above average person, there r 20 average joes.

    Most of us are innately average. Slightly above avg is exponential harder than avg.

    I m willing to wager the OP cannot beat a player like balla by the end of the year.
     
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    That is like saying NFL is only one step above college football, so therefore it would be easy for college football players to become an NFL player.

    What level is Joel again?
     
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    :) Cerealy. Indeed, philandering tends to sap ones energy. On the other hand, it's fun. Then again, I recall a friend once saying that philanderers are more definitively mortal than agile terms. I never quite understood what his point was, but he was one of those types who could write a book about the moral implications of, say, drinking too much V8 juice.
     
  6. JoelDali

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    I quit tennis for the most part, but at the pinnacle of my career I would rate myself as a falling 4.5 on the LeeD scale of sexual tennis prowess.
     
  7. dustin4vn

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    honestly i really hope this is a joke. The world top players can't do it. It's just unrealistic.
     
  8. Arthuro

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    Stergio,

    I have read the whole thread and I would like to say good luck. Its is indeed difficult, but if you succeed your project can fundamentally change how philosophers, sports theorists, and athletes fundamentally think about human psychology and physiology.

    Your efforts can, contrary, to many on this thread, change the way we think about tennis training and sports specific activity. You are basically trying to show that time and repetition is not the sole determination of tennis I.Q. and talent.

    My hats off to you.
     
  9. Stergios

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    Hi Arthuro,

    Thank you for posting as well as for reading this thread.

    This is among the best comments I've received so far. It illustrates with clarity the potential benefits of a project as such. And as with every experiment it doesn't mean that it will bring us all the answers we initially wanted to have. But, in my belief, its worth the effort to try.

    In this case I'm testing a few of today's beliefs in regards to athleticism. And I'm doing that with respect to other members of the community. I'm not trying to built a record of superiority here, far from it! Contrary, I'm trying to learn and share with others my experiences. And in fact it takes lots of effort to do so.

    But more than anything else, I like to enjoy the game of tennis for as long as I'm playing it and live my life with a purpose. Which at the moment happens to be this very project.

    Anyway, really appreciate the support of you and the other members here.
    Even the comments that are not in my favore are indeed welcomed. Since, I'm not and wont be always right.

    With my sincerely regards to all,

    Stergios
     
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    Tennis is not a matter of life or death.

    It is much more important than that.
     
  11. lightthestorm

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    Time to show this to the JV roster on my high school team that don't take lessons because they think "it's too late for them to be any good."
     
  12. newpball

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    So......... perhaps I miss something, where are the videos of the matches?

    Or is this going to end with:

    "Mission accomplished, a solid 5.0"!
    Matches?
    No matches, we don't need no stinking matches!
     
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    I wouldn't hold my breath for any matches anytime soon. Too early to pop the bubble.

    I would bet a lot of money that after a full year, JRB would kick Stergio off the court.
     
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    Really easy to make bold and confident predictions about something that will never be verified... I wonder if you'd actually be laying money down if Stergios lived in the US and had USTA matches lined up for the end of the year.

    Anyway, it sounds like you're saying that Stergios will be playing at a USTA 3.5 level or below after his full year of training (since JRB is a 4.0).

    I disagree-- I think if he stays healthy and follows through with his training for a full year he has a very good chance to be a solid 4.0. Obviously 5.0 is a huge stretch but 4.0 seems like a different story.

    So if there were some actual way to verify whether or not Stergios was able to hang at the 4.0 level after his year I'd be willing to make a bet.

    Would be nice to see some matchplay videos though--these points look pretty good but they also look carefully selected...
     
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    I'm bacon.
     
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    Who is talking about 4.0, are you trying to move the goalposts?

    He wants to go to 5.0 in one year, which is totally unrealistic.
     
  17. lightthestorm

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    With his schedule and coach, and his willingness to work, I could see him being a 4.5 definitely in a year.
     
  18. JoelDali

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    This is not the correct answer.
     
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    Steriod is capable of getting to 5.0 within a year. I would put $500 down in Vegas on him in a heartbeat.
     
  20. newpball

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    Suit yourself, this quote shows how little you understand about ratings:

     
  21. JoelDali

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    I have 3 suits:

    1. Michael Kors
    2. Rafa Lauren
    3. Calvin Klein

    All 3 of these suits are slim fit and hemmed properly.

    My tailor Susie Chong is a 7.0. She doesn't even have to measure my stumps she just GOATs it every time.

    She is the GOAT Tailor of FiDi.
     
  22. Stergios

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    Hi Avles,

    Thanks for your comment.

    I think this is the right time to lay down a few of my thoughts. Although I was planning to do it later in in time. Since there are just thoughts at the moment and nothing to be taken for certain.

    I'm considering to come to the States somewhere between December and February and play a few matches with other players rated 4.0, 4.5, 5 and 5.5 if possible. That's a stretch goal but I'll work on it towards the end of summer.

    As for match play as many of you know I'm not playing any matches at the moment but I will. By the time I get the green light from my coach to play you will see it. But, in the mean time I'm planning of uploading a video with drills and lots of movement.

    Thanks once again,

    Stergios

    P.S.: The video segments I upload are indeed carefully selected. In order to better showcase the subject matter. Although, on the first half of the video of the wall it's from the time I arrived and what you see it's literally the very first ball.

    P.S.2: If I missed something I apologize. I'm very tired once again. Time to rest!
     
  23. JoelDali

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    5.5 will be a challenging match.
     
  24. Avles

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    Gameboy was talking about 4.0-- he said he'd bet money that Stergios would lose to a fellow TT poster who is a USTA 4.0. So that's where 4.0 came from... no goalposts being moved.
     
  25. newpball

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    Yes, but if he takes an extra month of practice he could jump from 5.0 to 5.5. :twisted:
     
  26. r2473

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    Suit yourself.
     
  27. newpball

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    I just got the memo. :)
     
  28. JoelDali

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    Connors in 5 MF.
     
  29. Avles

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    Hey Stergios,

    Not sure how my post came across, but I wasn't trying to imply that you need to come to the US to prove anything! I'm sure you can get a good sense of your competitive level without leaving Europe. And posting videos isn't a big deal either-- they'd just be interesting for tracking progress.

    Anyway, keep on truckin...if I had to bet I'd guess that a year would put you at a strong 4.0 or a borderline 4.5 but we shall see! If you do end up making the grand US victory tour feel free to stop by North Carolina to kick my 3.5 self-rated butt...
     
  30. Tmano

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    Well so far I have avoided reading this thread because i thought it was absurd to go to 0 to 5.0 in a year, but now after going through it I kind of would like to say my opinion. I actually did not see the video of you ( i could not find it)but based of what the other guys are saying you are progressing very well and working very hard. However, I although admire your determination find very improbable for you to get to 5.0 level. Not because you could not achieve it but because even if you got to become rated a 5.0 it would be just a rate base on nothing other than technique( which not nothing at all...:)). If you were rated 5.0 without playing a match, and had to play a good 4.0 that plays matches you will probably loose. A year is not much at all to achieve all that but it's good that you have a goal and a strong will. Actually if I can suggest you I would include in your training matches with players of you same level or little higher with different style since the beginning.
    Good luck
     
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  31. LeeD

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    I saw the vid.
    OP is in shape, thin, but not really athletic. Don't see any chance of him making even 4.5 in a year, or maybe not even 4.0 really.
    Now he's working too hard, is injured all the time, and tired, so his progress is going nowhere upwards.
    An athletic guy would have starred in his junior high years thru his college years in some sport or another. You cannot be an athlete and not have played any sports for your school as a teenager.
     
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    Well it depends, with perseverance and good guidance we could see a 5.0 passing along within the year. Now if we add to that extensive wall training, a good ball machine, intensive service training, good footwork drills, blackboard strategy coaching and obviously hitting the gym a few times a week we may even see a mid 6.0, perhaps not within the year but surely the semester following. :twisted:
     
  33. LeeD

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    No chance, since OP is not athletic to begin with.
    No human can process the amount of information to attain a rating of 5.0 within even 3 years. He might be able to hit like a solid 4.0, but his PLAY abilities would fall in the 3.5 range at best.
     
  34. Tmano

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    I don't know where he his from( assuming Europe maybe East Europe) but things there are different. At least when I was in school and I don't believe it has change much sports and schools were not connected like here in US. You were on your own if you wanted to learn a sport. That's probably why he might has not had any good achievement in any sport... and I would add that it's unfortunate.
    Anyhow, maybe he won't make it as you said to become a 5.0 but I believe that a decent/good 4.0 could be reachable:)..cheering for him
     
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    I do believe OP has a chance to make lowest level 4.0 in one full year, which he might need to add some months due to injuries and work.
    As for athlete. Most civilized countries have a way of seeking athletes, the process beginning as early as 5 years of age. Superior athletes are encourage to play school sports, and if they excel, are brought into programs that teach you a sport while continuing your education to some degree. Most athletes know they have a chance to "make it" by the time they're 13-15 years of age.
    "Make it" would mean 5.5 level tennis.
    But if you spent your entire school years never playing any kind of sport for your school, you have no chance to make 5.0 in FOUR years of tennis.
    If you poll everyone who responded to this thread, you will find the huge majority of "CAN TO IT" guys who play lower level tennis, like lower than 4.0.
    The guys who responded who made it past 5.0, NONE would say it's really posible for someone of OP's age, work necessity, injury prone, slow healing, and lack of athleticism.
     
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    Agree with you and most of all the guys here that he can't make it, I play tennis too and I know what it means to get to 5.0. I was just trying to encourage him and at the same time explaining why he did not play any sport in school.However, being European too from Italy I can tell that things may be different regarding sport and school. If you make it and become a professional soccer player or tennis player or a swimmer you mane it it's because you started only playing for a private club (when you were little)of your town not through the school. Then if very very talented major teams and the Italian federation it self's are willing to give you a chance.
     
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    It's like saying after one year of golfing he will get a decent college scholarship for golf to a small university.
     
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    Golf is not a real sport. Neither is swimming or jogging.
     
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    Oh god, don't make me agree with Lee...

    I am not sure about Stergio's athletic level as most of the videos I have seen, he is not moving much. But I am guessing he is not a world-class athlete.

    Unless you were a world-class athlete, I fail to see how he can get to even 4.5. I can possibly see him getting to low level 4.0, but that is probably the best case scenario, which is why I believe a well established 4.0 like JRB would beat him in a match after a year.
     
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    I'm sirprized no one has realized this epic hoax thread is epic.
     
  41. okaythen

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    hi guys got a side question, from a forum thread that's for people to looking for tennis players to play with. a guy wants to play tennis with me, I asked him what's his NTRP he said he doesn't know, maybe 3 or 4. in 1st email he didn't say how long he have been playing tennis so I asked again in 2nd email, he said only 1 years. Is it possible to get to NTRP 3,4 in one year? pretty rare right unless he is also some pro in other sports and can learn that quickly. But so far he didn't say what other sports he play. So I am wonder it could be a total waste of my time, or maybe danger for me coz you never know if their main purpose is to play tennis.
     
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    I would definitely play with him. He sounds like a solid player and passionate about the game, enough to lie to unsuspecting 4.0 GOATs who end up wasting their time with a 3.0 clucker.
     
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    He's at most a 3.0. That's a beginner in most circles as there are no 2.5 leagues. A 4.0 clearly would know what his level is.
     
  44. Stergios

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    Hi Avles,

    Your message came through well. And it triggered me in a good way to share some early thoughts with you and others.

    As for North Carolina, I'm writing it down on my list of States I should consider visiting.

    Oh, and you might kick my b*tt instead :).

    Stergios
     
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    OKThen, yeah it's a waste of your time. However, you never know. He might bring his kid sister, a real looker and single. He might have friends who play good tennis, he might be your future boss.
    Just hit with him, and if he's lame, look at your watch and say you gotta go in another 45 minutes.
    I've played a few guys thru this forum. I claim high 3.5 in singles, maybe solid 4.5 in doubles. So far, I've lived up to it, against 4-4.5 TW posters.
    Most TW tennis players are enthusiastic, accomodating, curteous, fair, and great sportsman.
     
  46. okaythen

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    hey guys thanks a lot for your help! yeah I will just go hit with him, I actually just need exercise but it might turn out to be more! like the post above I mean. thanks again!
     
  47. newpball

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    Don't give up, you could go and train with Stergios in Greece, perhaps then we have two 5.0's next year. :)
     
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    When I lost to Chang in the Santa Barbara junior open in 1981 I felt like he was a 5.5 at age 10. I was the top 12/under in my section and won a dozen 3 foot tall GOAT trophies. I was GOATing every tourney. #1 seed every week. Then I played Chang in a non SCTA sanctioned tourney and he destroyed all of my Fila/Borg dreams. I realized I would be stuck in 4.5 purgatory.

    I have since quit tennis and will continue to contribute and engage myself in TT as an Internet Tennis Scholar.
     
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    Ah, I see, I think what you need is perspective. How about retreating for three months in some Daoist mountain monastery, with a single racket, a piece of polyester and a Penn tennis ball? Go deep and find the ultimate tennis koan and then contemplate on it, but no playing that disturbs the balance. Then after three months take a direct flight to Greece and join Stergios.

    I am getting excited here, with your renewed contemplative tennis insight and Stergio's optimism we would perhaps see two 6.0's arising from the fog. :)

    Yes man, that's hard! :-|
     
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    Possibly, his wording "quit" means he stopped trying to be the best he can be, and has settled for being the best that he is.
     

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