NTRP Rank me (video link included)

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  1. nightkaster

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    OK so this is my first post of these forums, so hey everybody! :)
    I just wanted to play a little game to start out to measure my improvement. This video link is of me playing about 2 years ago. Now back then I never really recieived a NTRP ranking. I know what I am now so I would like to see how I have progressed.

    Here is the link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PoQM98O022s

    I would really appreciate any responses!
     
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  2. nightkaster

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    Oh

    And I decided to post in this section to try and feel out where I should be playing competitive tennis next. I will give more details about my current tennis game if I actually get some replies.
     
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  3. J_R_B

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    Without watching the video, I'd definitely say 2.5-3.0.
     
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  4. nightkaster

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    Ok... what about WITH watching the video?
     
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  5. equinox

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    easy 4.0+, probably closer to ntrp 4.5+ without seeing tournament results.

    As comparison video,

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bmW0bhH4Ps

    which shows itn 8 level, close to ntrp 3.0 for your yanks.

    You should be playing tournaments, preferably the opens on a regular basis. you'd win a round or two.
     
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  6. ProgressoR

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    OK. Your forehand stroke is not pretty, but reasonably consistent. Your Bh looks ok but i dont use 2hbh so cannot really comment. Your volleys looked OK, not great but not bad either.
    The points looked heavily edited to show points when you hit good winners and serves, is that the case?

    and the BH drill was not very realistic and you didnt recover any where near a ready position for the shots and didnt have to move for most of them, when being fed like that many of us can hit much better than we would in matches. I know i do.

    based on what I have seen on this forum, i have seen worse looking players who are rated 4.0 (presumably because they are match experienced). However i have also seen players with better strokes who are 3.5. It all depends on how much of your game you can take into a match, if you are match tough and take your shots in practice into a game (in my experience that is rarely the case) then i would guess at 4.0. If you take about 80% into match play then probably 3.5.

    that is my opinion - dont mean to be harsh in the above and hope i didnt come across like that, its just my view.
     
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    You could be anywhere between 4.0 and 5.0, depending on your mental game and athleticism.
     
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    As a 4.5 player, you look like a 4.5 player in the video. Good consistancy, mostly good depth, nice footwork and nice returns. I would really would have to hit with you in person to get a real opinion. I've been told by pros and 5.0 players that I have flashes of 5.0 but as of now I am would not say i am a 5.0 player. I wonder if your big backswing could get you into problems with people with more power.


    Some hot returns!! Looking good!
     
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  9. KSJ1979

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    It is hard to make a real opinion without real gameplay videos. Sometimes pretty strokes and shots go AWOL in a match....if this is how you play in a match, 4.5, if you compete at 75% of the level of the video, a strong 4.0.
     
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  10. Jonny S&V

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    I would also say 4.0+, depending on the tourney results. You definitely have your quirks on your groundstrokes, but they work for you, so I won't say anything about them since they don't seem to be hurting you. The only comment I have is which would you rather have: A flatter backhand that could be a weapon, or a topspin backhand that will easily keep you in the point so you can do the damage with your forehand?

    The reason I ask is because you really roll over your backhand, which can be a good thing, but the advantage that a two-handed backhand has over us one-handers is that you can hit flatter and still be just as consistent as we one-handers can due to the restricted range-of-motion. If I were you, I would focus on really hitting through the ball and getting "natural" topspin, rather than consciously hitting more topspin and sacrificing the penetration you can get with your backhand if you hit it flatter.

    It's obviously completely your choice, and there is not right or wrong answer. Just my $.02. ;-)
     
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    thanks everybody

    This is about what i was expecting for responses. As for the comment about being fed those balls- these were all rallies. Back then I would say my game stepped up in matches beacause of my competitiveness.

    As for my rankings I didn't play too many Usta tourneys but did play highschool first singles in Ny where I won my league singles tourney and made a dent in the divisonals tourney before being knockedout by a the 4 seed in a 3 setter. I got attention from mostly d2 and d3 schools but none were all too attractive so I took a good academic school over them but now miss playing.

    I am now a solid 5.0 player pushing on 5.5 so my question is what type of tourneys should I play in now and how does registraton ect work? Would playing qualifying of some ITF futures be a waste of time? I only wanna play for the experience not to get my ranking up or anything. Or is there a better place to play?
     
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  12. Jonny S&V

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    If I may pry, where do you live? You should be able to find USTA open tourneys to play. The level of play varies based on location, but if you still live in NY, the level should be plenty good enough for you.
     
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    Somewhere in the 4.0-4.5 range I'd say, but a lot depends on how good of a match player you are. Decent footwork though. Good energy overall. Not a fan of that FH take back...looks like it could break down on the timing, especially against a big flatball hitter.
     
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    Agree with most of the comments. Against hard hitters the FH would be exposed. And as ProgressoR said, the BH drill was fluff - pro fed you nice easy balls and you just stood there.

    Strange that you ask, then you tell us you're a 5.0, THEN you say you don't understand how registration works. I'm missing something.

    And I think you made the right college decision. Going to a lesser school just to play tennis would have been a bad move you would have probably regretted for a long time.
     
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  15. NLBwell

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    High 4.0 to mid 4.5.
     
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    Agreed.

    BTW, Has anyone ever tried to get you not to raise your elbow so much on your forehand? To just keep your elbow low when you break contact with your left hand?
     
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    I was going to say 4.5, but you answered...
    You're hitting with destain and aloofness, not really trying at all, so your vid shows less than you really hit.
     
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    i'll say 4.0 - 4.5 but that forehand wind up is just crazy. your backhand on the other hand is smooth, compact and nice.
     
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    he could try his luck in futures qualifying. best bet is overseas. no chance of getting in the usa.
     
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  20. GameSetMatch

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    In all honestly, you look around 4.5.

    No disrepect intended, but there's big difference between 4.5 and 5.0, and a massive one between 4.5 and 5.5. In matchplay, a genuine 5.5 would completely annihilate you; you really would be lucky to take even one game from him in each set.
     
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  21. WBF

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    Can't tell from that snippet. I think 4.0 is a silly estimate, and given what we have seen, would require extreme mental issues during a match. I would bet 4.5 to 5.0. I could see 5.5 if you had a good mental edge, point construction, etc.... things you can't see in a few snippets of points.

    As for your later question, I would recommend playing in some local Open tournaments before trying your hand in the Futures. If you have the time, check out the National Open tourneys (e.g. http://tennislink.usta.com/tournaments/TournamentHome/Tournament.aspx?T=84500 and http://tennislink.usta.com/Tournaments/TournamentHome/Tournament.aspx?T=85665)

    If you really want the experience of a qualifier, doing well in the national open tourneys will give you some leverage in getting into the qualifier draws here in the US.
     
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  22. a10best

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    I am a 4.5 now, used to play 5.0 tournaments when I was younger and I was recently rated by two pros in Miami.
    the video did not show how you play in an actual match,
    just baseline warm-ups with 1 or 2 steps to the right and left.

    where is the sideline to sideline action?
    where is the no-man's land strokes?
    the volleys are very loose gripped & wristy. (firm those up)
    I really have to see the serve, 1st and 2nd.
    can you place it anywhere in the box with consistency, kick the serve?
    For now 3.5 to low 4.0 for me.
    seeing more match play would make feel more at ease.
    Hey, it's all development and getting more game. keep it up. It takes time & doesnt' come overnight.
     
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  23. WBF

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    This is a good point. His opponent clearly was not pushing him.

    This is not a good point. Seriously?

    I'm not a big fan of his volleys. Then again, I do well at the 4.5-5.0 level in singles, and higher level in doubles... And I have worse volleys than that.

    You see his serve. Maybe not a second serve, but are you going to tell me those were 3.5 level serves?

    Good point, if you are talking 4.5 and higher level tennis.

    I admit we don't see much here, but your assessment is comical at best.

    My guess is you have visual processing deficiencies, or you are lying about your own level.
     
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  24. nightkaster

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    This video of me was 2 YEARS ago. That is why I asked to be rated because I never was back then.
     
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    Thank you for the links... this was the type of stuff I was looking for. And the reason I was asking for how this stuff works is because it is really different than the stuff I played in a few years ago back in HS.
     
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    I was always taught you have a big loopy forehand like that. I have never really had anyone tell me not to do it. I thought most players on tour have large take-backs as well (not exactly like mine, but nevertheless still drawn out).
     
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  27. a10best

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    comical? visual processing deficiencies? lying about my level ?
    whatever you want to say. It is simply constructive criticism.
    you have 1900+ posts I have 7 or more but not new to the game.

    So I have obviously have no credibility but you do? should I make a video for you, "judge" so I gain your respect. Now that is comical.

    what point is there to lie anyway about your level?
    seriously what do you gain? both videos on the 1st page of this thread are 4.0 players at best. I can get other guys, pros here in Florida to attest to that.

    I am only trying to help. you really should not grade/rate off of practice. No I didn't play division 1, just a former SoCal jr college player.

    I guess the only way to settle this is to play. Are you in South Florida?
    I'll be going to SoCal in a few weeks. let me know. I play for fun but still competitive in nature.
    jeez!!
     
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  28. a10best

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    wish, I could've deleted or edited my posts. I only saw the groundies and volleys..
    I didn't wait for the serves which are later in the video. Yeah, you could say I have visual processing deficiencies, then...LOL.

    true bro'. you are a 4.5 after going through the whole video. The 1st 2 minutes don't tell enough.
    My only issue was the volleys simply because I excel there. I'll watch it all next time if someone posts. My bad.
     
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    This makes sense :) Sorry for being harsh, I just thought your assessment was odd based on the entire video. I agree that groundstrokes + volleys alone would lead to a different conclusion.

    I'm in upstate NY, nowhere near California or Florida... I post here more than I get competitive play in unfortunately.
     
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  30. a10best

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    No problem. sorry for being too defensive but u were correct.
     
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    You are a bit tricky because just watching the technique I was gonna say 3.5but after seeing the results I would say 4.5+. You produce pretty nice racket head speed right before contact. If you had more fluid strokes or a more direct take back you would have more aesthetically pleasing strokes but I cant argue with your results.
     
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    I feel bad for this guy, he posts a video of himself and people come out of the woodwork trying to take their bad attitudes out on him. A 3.5? Are you ****ing serious? He is clearly not a 3.5, that's just insulting.
     
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    Did you go through page 1? If so don't you find it odd that he comes back about halfway down and tells us he's a strong 5.0 headed to 5.5? With the serious flaw ttbrowne pointed out in his FH? I can't believe advanced players can't expose that.
     
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    If your goal is 5.0-5.5 you need to spend a lot more time on your groundstrokes. There is way too much arm and not enough core and legs. There are also a lot of balls at the net and you should not have any balls at the net in a practice session like that. I would work on consistency drills while striving for improving use of the core and body rotation on both your forehand and backhand. I would work on the athletic foundation too. If you look at that clip John Yandell posted of Nadal over in the tips and instruction section you can see the role of the legs and core and athletic foundation. This is all attainable for you it is just a matter of being disciplined and putting the work into it.
     
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    If you havent played competition in awhile start off with some local events to get the nerves out and go from there. Dont bother with futures at this point unless its at the club across the street from where you live or something. Futures are way too hard and you need to work up to them.
     
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    I read the whole thread. His forehand isn't pretty, sure. Hell I bet there are 3.0s out there with forehands that look like works of art in comparison, but I doubt they get the results.

    The video may be edited heavily, but still, I've seen some 3.5s play. Watched some the other day. This guy isn't a 3.5, it's rude to say he is
     
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    Amazing how people underrate almost PERFECTLY consistent rallies just because the strokes may NOT look pretty...
    Although the guy answered with his actual level 5.0-5.5, I was laughing at some "expert" responses putting those strokes in the same category as 3.5 or 4.0. Clearly, the racket speed, the consistency, sound (although inside) is above the 4.x level, period.
    Then, there are some asking for the side line to side line action... Again, I would like to see a true 4.0 do the consistent rallies with the ball machine for example like these -- not going to happen...

    Some people are really funny on these boards...
     
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    I am not seeing the consistency given that there are a lot of balls at the net about a minute into the clip.
     
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  39. dr325i

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    What is your Rating?
    And can we (YOU) see the video of it?

    Actually, the OP did not mis a single ball or put it into the net the first minute, having balls sit there mean nothing... I am not sure what are you seeing there...
     
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    i recall a string of FH that sailed long which were basically hit to him....and perhaps the points at the end were vs a friend where no real match pressure existed?

    anyway, its hard to tell, i think 4.5 is right at the upper end based on the evidence, i think 4.0 is still reasonable.

    There are so many threads where experts on here refuse to rate based on practice hitting, and here everyone seems fantastically keen to base highly based on practice, so i see real inconsistency on the boards.

    I also know guys who have very effective strokes in drills and practice and just leave most of it at home when in the pressure of matches. And a rating surely refers to competitive league and tournament play, and not practice?


    anyway, I stand by my first post on the first page, good luck to OP, you have reached a darn good standard now and good luck in continuing improving.
     
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    So, you finish your post by simply contradicting yourself...
    The OP already told us what his official rating is 5.0, but you stand by your assessment of 3.5-4.0.
    It should simply tell you how clueless you actually are...not trying to offend you, just stating the obvious...
     
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    Wow I can't believe this thread is still going... sorry for creating so much conflict!

    Anyways, you are bound to have some balls at the net after playing for 2 hours. They also don't necessarily mean I hit them in there, but rather was clearing out room in back on me by moving them to the net.

    And again to West Coast Ace- This video was of me two years ago. I probably was a 4.5 back then given the feedback in this thread. Also, I still don't understand the problem with my backswing... it makes you prepare early and that's not to say I can't shorten it when needed.
     
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    Good advice. I believe I have started to do this more over the years. Power really comes from 70% legs in the groundstrokes. Thanks!
     
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  44. ProgressoR

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    The video was from 2 years ago, and his CURRENT rating is 5.0 odd.

    I suggest you read posts more carefully, and refrain from insulting others based on your own incompetence at understanding what you are reading.

    It should simply tell you how clueless you actually are.....not trying to offend you, just stating the obvious.
     
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    Ahm...OK. lets continue then...
    Two years ago, AS STATED again, he was 4.5, FAAAAAARRRRRR from 3.5. Again, I win, who's clueless now?

    Anyway, you're missing the point smarty pants -- it could be 23 years ago, the level shown in the video is far above 3.5-4.0.
     
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    Geez you are annoying. I suggested anwhere between 3.5-4.0 - mentioning clearly 4.0 if he took that into his game, it appears concensus was higher $(4.5? not much higher is it?) than that....and........? what is your point?

    If he has improved a lot since then, and now he is 5.0 odd then perhaps he was 4.0 or 4.5 at that time, who knows, and who really cares?

    Why pick a fight over it, if you disagree, just disagree before having your hissy fits, is my advice.

    He has made good progress, well done to him.
     
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    Again, I just cannot get over the fact that you said 3.5 (or 4.0, whatever) and you believe that was close. This is FAR from 3.5, not just 1.0 above, but FAR above. What level are you? Can we see your video?

    I am not trying to pick a fight, just cannot believe that you think the OP is at the same or similar level to:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5iwZNY7hqqs&feature=related
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCRV9sfPxoQ&feature=related

    or even:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xB4RLZguN4&feature=fvw
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_YXnIGtPUY&feature=related

    See my point?
     
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    I have stated my point, if others disagree, you know, I can live with it. There is always a chance my opinion is incorrect. Again I can live with it.

    But can you live with being an ignoramus who just wants to pick fights? Do it with someone else, I have said my piece.

    Speak to the hand, ignoramus.

    Sorry OP for derailing the thread a bit i had no idea you had fans who would abuse others who give an honest opinion...
     
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    solid 4.5...this seems like one of those threads(i havent read through) where ppl highly underrate some guy cause of his fh swing...to those idiots look at his serves...
     
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    This video is of me and has been the object of ridicule for several years now. I don't know what the original intent or purpose of these 3.5 and 4.0 videos was, but they are both taken of a single team that plays at both the 3.5 and 4.0 levels, but the players shown are the players on the opposing team in every video. I don't know if it was originally for scouting purposes, but the video of me is edited from a match that I played against a guy who was undefeated at 3.5 the previous year and played in the 3.5 national championship match and was subsequently undefeated at 4.0 this year and bumped to 4.5 after the year. I lost a very close match 6-4 6-4, but the video is edited to show a game where I double faulted 3 times and dumped a horrible backhand into the bottom of the net. Needless to say, this was not the best game for me and not even representative of the rest of the match.

    This is one of the primary shortcomings of the YouTube generation. You can't control what is out there. I am a 4.0C rated player with at least a winning overall record and have been since I joined the USTA years ago, but this video, because of the editing, is not necessarily representative of that level of play.
     
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