NTRP Ranking? (video)

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  1. clutch21

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    Hello all,

    I am trying to figure out what ntrp ranking I might be. I played in high school at the #2 seed on varsity (it was a pretty weak school). but I'm am looking to play in some rec leagues but am having difficulty figuring out where im probably ranked.

    I know this system is based on results only. So it might be important to mention that I normally can beat people who hit better than me based on defense and anticipation (I can act as a human backboard when I face a better opponent). But when I am playing someone around my level or lower I rely on more of a counter punching style, waiting patiently to pounce on the opponent with a forehand. anyways here is video. It may not be much to go on but its all I have on tape.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4mIbqEi2dk

    If you could let me know what you think. thanks, Ryan
     
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  2. goober

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    Impossible to say, all you show is yourself hitting against a wall. You could be anywhere from 3.5-4.5+. How about a matchplay video?

    If you play #2 at a weak school I would start out at 4.0 for a rec league and 3.5 for USTA. If you have had post season success, 4.5 rec, 4.0 USTA. Do you have a section ranking?
     
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  3. tennis tom

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    4.5.......
     
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  4. baek57

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    Based on that video I'd say 3.5. If you really want to know just go play against someone who is rated and see how you fare.
     
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  5. dizzlmcwizzl

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    Not much to go on ... the few backhands shown were not hit with any serious intention and the serve was weakish. Also no net play. Your forhand looked like you could hit it fairly consistently.

    Based on your description I would say that you would play singles for an adult team. It does not sound like you have much experience with doubles and adult teams always need kids for singles.

    3.5 is probalbly to low for you at singles, you could probalbly win just by getting the ball back and that wont make you a better player. 4.5 players will overpower you. I would rate you at 4.0 ... I suspect you will be a middle of the pack 4.0 player to start, and even if you took some lumps you would learn something in the process.
     
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  6. clutch21

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    Thanks for the help guys! much appreciated. I'll probably start out 4.0, knowing my strengths and limitations, and see how that works out. My backhand isn't really shown out all in this vid. I hit more of a heavy slice backhand. Also my serve isn't shown well either.. I rely on a slice or kick serve. I know this is nothing to go on, but I just wanted to get the range I may fall in so I don't get whooped or whoop up on anyone else. So again thanks for the help.
     
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  7. sumari

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    According to the USTA guidelines you can self-rate as a 3.5 if you played varsity singles in high school. If you advanced to state championships then you have to up that to 4.0. Here is a link to the guidelines: http://assets.usta.com/assets/1/15/ExperiencedGuidelines_02142011_V2pdf.pdf

    If you self rate as a 3.5, you can play on both a 4.0 team and a 3.5 team. you will probably find it easier to find a 3.5 team wanting a you singles player. Unless you know someone on the team, a 4.0 team may want to see some results first.
     
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  8. sumari

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    Wish I could correct my posts. ...wanting you as a singles player.
     
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  9. RoddickAce

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    Not sure about rating, but very nice technique.
     
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  10. b33rfairy

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    Good form, wish I had that forehand. But I would start low and move up. Self-raters are popular here where I live, and are in big demand. Maybe you'll sand bag maybe not. Lot of factors here including what your league culture is like there, imHo.
     
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  11. cll30

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    Didn't see many backhands and hitting against a wall makes it hard to judge, but I'd suggest that you start at 4.0. Nice top spin on the forehand.
     
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  12. 2muchdeano

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    you're forehand is to long, meaning you start you explosion upward to early. If your gonna couterpunch you have to rely on cosistancy. Bringing the hand to the ball first, then exploding upward will improve cosistancy and power.
     
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  13. rafabull

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    3.5 to 4.0. All we can really see is the speed of your shots and if there going over the white line. To really determine it we would need to see shot placement, depth, volleys, serve ect.
     
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  14. tennis tom

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    So what rating do you give him?
     
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  15. Sparta-cus

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    4.0 is a good start.. Little more of service and backhand reps would give better idea. If your service is consistent then 4.0. Anything above need all around game and have weapons to put the ball away.
     
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  16. clutch21

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    Okay thanks for the tip
     
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  17. clutch21

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    Yeah I know that you can't tell from the video. even if it was match play you can't really tell since it is based on results, but I figured that this video might be better than me describing in words.. haha
     
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  18. Z-Man

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    Rate yourself 3.5. You can always play up, you can never play down. Also, a 3.5 team will be happy to have you. A decent 4.0 team will likely only play you when their studs aren't available. Play some 3.5, get confidence, work on your game, maybe you can even be a star and take your team to state. Then try playing 4.0. It's hard to tell from the video, but I think you've got a good forehand. The problem is, an experienced 4.0 (even a pusher) is going to work your backhand over. After the warmup, you aren't going to see many forehands.

    Granted, the USTA has redefined the levels, so 4.0 isn't as good as it was a few years ago, so maybe it depends on the strength of the local league. Even if you decide to play 4.0, rate yourself 3.5. That will give you the option to move down if you decide 3.5 is where you need to be. Once you self-rate 4.0, you won't be able to play down.

    I played #1 at a decent tennis high school and took a few years off during and after college. I started back as a 3.5 and won all but one of my matches during the season and went undefeated at state. The next year at 4.0, I only won 1 match, and I really had to rethink my game. It took another year or two to get on top of 4.0, and now I'm a 4.5.

    Lastly, keep in mind that singles is where the other teams will put their best payers, so playing singles, you will be much more likely to receive a beat-down from an out-of-level-player. A doubles player can get away with being much lower within a level than a singles player.
     
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  19. West Coast Ace

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    3.5. Unless you have a monster serve. 4.0's will wear out your BH. It needs a lot of work. And even your FH, again, because all we see is hitting against a wall, we see you letting it drop past it's apex. The few balls you did try to take on the rise didn't look that great.
     
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  20. ATP100

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    Start at 3.0 for singles, you will get moved up as you win.
     
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  21. beernutz

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    I'd say self rate 3.5 minimum, likely higher.
     
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    Self rate 3.5, move up if you can.
     
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  23. JuliusWinto

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    Self rating and playing in 3.5's probably won't push you to play better. Self rate 4.0. You'll fit right in and get pushed. No need to jump any further in the deep end.
     
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  24. josofo

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    u guys always seem to underate. as someone who plays 3.5 he would be 1 of the best players in the league (from that little bit yes), he should definetly play 4.0 (though, i agree, we have seen nothing to indicate he would be a winning 4.0 player he would certainly compete and get better faster) (problem with 3.5 leagues ia lot of times they get to many bad players in them)
     
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  25. Z-Man

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    You can never really tell until you play a match against someone. Really, winning in tennis isn't about backhands, forehands, serves, and volleys. It's about breaking and holding. I look forward to hearing how this one turns out--although the OP could play one set against someone who plays a lot of 4.0 league tennis and that 4.0 could tell him exactly where he stands.
     
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  26. josofo

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    ya. obviously the easier way to tell how good u r than filming a video of u hitting against a wall and posting on the internet is actually playing a 4.0.

    but its pretty obvious from his movement to his forehand that he could compete at 4.0 singles. i would even say get to be a winning 4.0 rather quickly
     
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  27. clutch21

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    I took most peoples advice and I started out playing in a 3.5/4.0 co ed league... there is not much competition at this level, for me.. but at least i'm building some confidence. I think 4.0 or possibly 4.5 mens only league would be a good fit for me. Thanks for the advice everyone, Ryan.
     
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  28. josofo

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    sorry i couldnt get to this thread earlier man, just discovered this board.
     
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  29. mightyrick

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    high 3.5

    10char
     
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  30. willshot

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    4.0 at best.
     
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  31. rainman007

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    I would say guess 3.5 the video looked like you were probably 4.0 but if you were number 2 seed varsity on a week school you would probably rate 3.0... I would guess 3.0 you would win pretty easy and you would fit in good at 3.5
     
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  32. Pipe85

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    Probably a high 3.0 or low 3.5
     
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  33. drgchen

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    3.5 to 4.0. USTA people generally under-rate themselves so that they can win. In leagues, advanced players called themselves 4.0. Most 4.0 players have a consistent forehand, backhand, and a fairly good second serve. Club pros 4.5. If you said you were a 5.0 they wanted you to talk about your previous experiences on tour. One of the local club pro is mid twenties, previous NCAA division one, team went to the finals. He is rated 5.0 on USTA.
     
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