NXT Tour 18 to Gut - tension change?

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  1. andrew_b

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    Moved to a new racket, the Babolat Pure Control+, and have found the tension I like (58#), with the string I've used for some time, NXT Tour 18. I'm not a string breaker, so I've decided to try out some gut sets. I used to play exclusively with gut many,many years ago, so I'm hoping the improvement in feel I remember from then will still be there.

    My question is whether I should increase the tension on the gut (I'm leaning towards BDE Perf 17 or Tonic+ in 16 guage) a couple pounds or leave it where it is, based on the fact my testing found I like the Tour 18 at 58.

    Thoughts?

    Also, thoughts on the BDE vs. Tonic vs. anything else appreciated. I used to use VS, but don't want to pay for it (I was sponsored back in the day....).

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  2. Valjean

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    Sorry, but I think you're better off hybriding VS (it is now available in half sets for that reason) with anything else--say, Babolat's Xcel Premium, also available that way, and Prince's Premier with Softflex--than taking one of the lesser ones. And I think you can use 60 lbs., or 59/61 if you want to prevent string movement, with VS in the mains.
     
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  3. andrew_b

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    That was another thought, especially since I have a few sets of NXT left....

    So you feel a hybrid with VS will play better than a full set of something like Tonic+, BDE Perf, or Klip Legend?

    I was kind of ruling out hybrid simply because I thought it was mainly to preserve string life. For some reason, I just don't break strings. I think I'll find that change some with the new racket, sinc ethe string pattern is less dense than the Dunlop 200G I was playing, but the NXT 18 that's been in there is just starting to fray a little and it's been over 2 months playing 4-5 times a week. In the Dunlop, I used to cut the NXT out simply because it would go dead....
     
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  4. Valjean

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    Yeah, I do. In the gut world, you really do get what you pay for.

    And since you do have NXT left over, at least try it that way first.
     
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    Well, that's a thought...I have 2 sets of NXT left. I could buy one set of VS, and string both rackets using it and the NXT. That would actually end up costing about the same as 2 sets of the BDE or similar....

    And up a pound or two, tension-wise?

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    I would say so, particularly given the difference in stiffness between regular NXT and NXT Tour. You know of this yourself, though; how do you feel it should be for it?
     
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    Valjean, what's you experience or sense of how quickly the synthetic crosses in a gut/synthetic hybrid lose their playability due to tension loss? I ask because gut lasts so much longer than synths in terms of tension hold, and I'm wondering if I should make sure to choose a longer-tension-holding synth for the crosses, rather than a shorter-tension-holding synth.

    For example, would it make that much difference if I used NXT (Original) or NXT Tour or NXT OS as crosses for VS gut mains?

    Many thanks in advance.
     
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  8. Valjean

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    In my view, synthetic gut crosses are subject to less stress than the mains, hence their rate of tension loss plays a lesser role in how they do. No, I don't think NXT original is the best cross string synthetic gut choice andrew b could make, but, since we are talking about crosses here, it is an adequate one.
     
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  9. andrew_b

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    Hmm, I think I went up a pound or so when I switched from NXT to the Tour, but all I've used is Tour 18 for a long time (ever since they came out with the 18 guage), so that's a guess (until I check my string notebook).

    Also clarification - when I said I had some NXT left, I meant Tour 18, so I'd be using that as the hybrid.

    Anyway, shouldn't be bad even if I'm off a pound, I played the NXT Tour in this frame at 57, 58, and 59 until settling on the 58...

    I'm still trying to get my arms around a hybrid playing as well as a full set of gut, even with the differences in quality between a VS and a Tonic+ or BDE Perf. While I used to be able to easily tell the difference between VS and other lesser brands, the difference between even the lesser brands and synthetics was so large....

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  10. Valjean

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    You'd want to get the tension right, since cross string tension controls the power of the stringbed and synthetics have a slightly slower rebound effect.

    NXT Tour is the stiffer of the two; but, what gauge is the NXT you have?

    If you are still having doubts about it, though, just go for the gut; it's your money...
     
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    All I have is the NXT Tour, 18 guage.

    LOL, plus a half-set of whatever that Wilson string is that gets thinner in the middle...found it the other day in my stringing backpack...it's ancient.

    So...given the info about the cross string tension, I would guess I'd want it to be 58 (where it is now), and then the mains a pound or 2 higher? Is that right?
     
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  12. Valjean

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    Wilson's Sweetspot; proportional stringing is designed for the same effect, as are other techniques meant to expand the racquet's sweetspot.

    That tension should work out.
     
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  13. andrew_b

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    That's the one! I actually toyed with the idea of using it in the mains in a hybrid with a half set of NXT Tour 18 I have left from a set I got that was actually too short to fully string a frame.

    Ok, so that's the setup for a hybrid - what if I go with a full set of gut. Up a couple pounds for it as well?
     
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  14. Valjean

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    I would, although it would depend on what brand you chose. The ones you list are tough enough that you likely wouldn't need to. With VS, you should.
     
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