Observations on Fed with new frame

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  1. wangs78

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    It's too early to say whether this new racquet will help Federer. Clearly he thinks that the new racquet *COULD* help which is why he is trying it now.

    I will say that he looks funny with this new racquet. Fed and the classic small-head box beam Pro Staff go together like bacon and eggs. It's almost as if it's no longer Fed but some imposter with a different racquet! Sigh... all good things come to an end I guess.
     
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  2. BreakPoint

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    What Polaris said is true. Bigger racquets are just more cumbersome and less maneuverable just due to the physical fact that larger objects get in your way more than smaller objects do. The larger hoop, bigger stringbed so more total string lengths, and usually the wider beams of larger racquets all contribute to more aerodynamic drag when swinging the racquet. Of course, I'm comparing racquets of equal swingweights.
     
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  3. sureshs

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    Read post #41
     
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    I understand. It's just that so many people on this board actually believed that Federer would shank a lot less if he only switched to a bigger racquet. Well, the last two matches have proved all of those people wrong, which is something I've been saying here for years.

    For example, my post from yesterday:

     
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  5. wangs78

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    But why do you make that comparison? They don't make 100 sq in racquests that weigh 12.5oz. Most of the bigger (large head) racquets were made lighter specifically so that there is no net loss of maneuverability.
     
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    You're way ahead of me. I'm just commenting as I read down the thread. :)
     
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  7. sureshs

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    It is not about Nadal any more. It is more about not losing to the Stacky kind of guys.
     
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    Then you're not comparing apples-to-apples are you?

    Lighter racquets have their negatives which is why people have to add so much lead tape to them to make them playable. So you end up with a racquet that's about the same weight as the smaller racquet but more cumbersome and less maneuverable.
     
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    You actually read threads? You should just read the first post and the last couple and post something funny and run away.
     
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    Yes, all good points; I think this second match is much better compared to the first. He is probably getting more used to the stick now, :)
     
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    sureshs' secret formula has been revealed! :)
     
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  12. sureshs

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    I think the new frame will help his back problem because he doesn't have to strain himself so much. That alone will be enough of a benefit to warrant the change.
     
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    It is J. Hajek, not the crap with the "m"
     
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    Does anybody know Fed's average serve speed today? He only served at 52%
     
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    Maybe Fed should adopt the double hander as well. Might as well go all the way to 21st century tennis.
     
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    Then what's next? Reverse forehands, grunting loudly on every shot, and picking your butt in between points? :shock:
     
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    I'm just going to wait till Federer faces decent opposition. I feel like most of these discussions are very shortsighted. Not pointing fingers at anyone..I have also been extrapolating a lot from a few matches.


    Federer defeated brands and Hajek. Lets not get carried away. He would have likely taken both of them to the woodshed playing with a PS85.
     
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    I still get the feeling that Fed wants to go back to his PS90. This larger racquet just doesn't feel right. It robs him of his precision game.
     
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    I was struck by the action he was getting off of his forehand. there were several that seemed to bounce up around his opponents shoulders. I thought fed usually hit flatter than that (these seemed more like rafa's groundies). I know this was clay but I will be watching to see how the new stick does on hard court.

    this could be interesting if it changes how the other top guys prepare and plan for playing fed.
     
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    Well Fed has always had the second most topspin on tour on his forehands after Nada with his 90 square inch racquet. Maybe the bigger racquet head size allows even more spin to be imparted, thus what we're seeing.

    I'm gonna wait till I make a judgement about this change but Federer has lost to enough "nobodies" in the past year that no, I cannot say with certainty that he would have done equal or better against Brands/Hajek with his old racquet. And it's just so damn nice to see him actually taking some big cuts at the ball again, not the tentative FH that we had become used to.

    I'm cautiously optimistic!
     
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    I think it was a smart move.
     
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  22. sureshs

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    I noticed it too.
     
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  23. sureshs

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    Might have been true in the past, but not of late.
     
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    Sureshs is federer's biggest fan
     
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    Nonsense. I'm 95% sure that this is because only about 8 players out of the thousands out there have had their topspin measured: Djokovic, Murray, Nadal, Federer and a couple more. Federer might have the 2nd highest spin out of those lot, but not of the entire tour. Bellucci? Verdasco? Andreev? Federer has more spin than these?

    Heck, maybe if everyone in the tennis world were measured, Nadal wouldn't even come first in terms of topspin hit.
     
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  26. hrstrat57

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    Fed's forehand in yesterday's match was leaping out of the building.....crystal clear. Huge top.
     
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  27. sureshs

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    Let us see what happens today. It is going on now.
     
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    If a final with Almagro happens will be great test lab for the new stick. Almagro is crushing it at the moment.
     
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  29. sureshs

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    Don't get into that trap. Then you will rise and fall with Fed's performance with the new racket.
     
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    If the thread is started by Suresh, I usually do that only ... :)
     
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    I suppose you started typing with both hands on this board just to last longer?
     
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  32. BeHappy

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    I think this is a terrible move by Federer. He has sent a message to the whole tour that the Stakhovsky loss has made him desperate. It was much better when he pretended he was better than ever. Now everyone will be out for blood.
     
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    Well, pretense is good but there is this 'score' thing still used in tennis. If his scores improve then it was a good move.

    Things were clearly not going his way with his old racquet. Yes, it is possible he never wins another tournament with the big stick but that would mean he probably wouldn't have won with the other either.
     
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    That is one way of looking at it. Another is that he's willing to do whatever it takes to remain a relevant contender at the GS's.
     
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    anyone noticed that ...

    Federer's tweener is too long.
     
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    With the new racquet Federer has a 100% winning record! Oh, and he's getting some evil spin on his slices as well - cutting off to either side like a cricket ball.
     
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    So it is better to do nothing and not try and resolve issues you can control? He can't control his aging but he can control his racquet choices. I personally am not sure the racquet change will mean much for him in the long run but you certainly have to give him credit for finally admitting he has a problem and trying to do whatever is in his control to better the situation.
     
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  38. BeHappy

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    His racquet won't make a difference because he hasn't been shanking the ball, he has zero defensive ability now because of his back, he can't rotate his whole body into his forehand anymore because of his back, he can't lunge for returns anymore because of his back.

    It can't work so all it will achieve is letting everyone know he's panicking.
     
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  39. VPhuc tennis fan

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    why not retire immediately, according to your analysis? Why even bother to practice with a new stick? Just announce retirement and go happy fishing, yes? Ever since his Wimby loss, and now with a change in his racket, I read a lot of ridiculous things. Give the guy a break. To me, at this age, he's still trying to be relevant, and that's a testament of his will and drive to succeed. As I said, he has the option to say "adios, amigo" anytime he wants, but the fact he still plays means he still likes to find ways to win, and that means a lot.
     
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  40. BeHappy

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    Why not get an injection in his back like Agassi did and show up 100%?
     
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    why an injection? Not all back issues need an injection? You, a physician? And even if you are, you treat all your patients with back issues with a cortisone injection?
    Besides, what made you think he had back issues?
     
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  42. BeHappy

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    Common knowledge.
     
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    shazaam!!!
     
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    Because cortisone injections can cause permanent damage. Just look at Agassi today and the way he still walks and that his back is in worse shape.
     
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  45. VPhuc tennis fan

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    I'm sure that Fed has more qualified people than you and I to judge how his back holds up. Besides, if he plays, then whatever injury may be, it cannot be so bad.
    Can't believe all the stuff I read lately!
     
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  46. the cat petter

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    My observations on Fed with new frame:
    mishits and more mishits.
     
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    Fed with his new frame: sad and frightening.
     
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    What now?...............
     
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    What about it?
     

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