Observations on Fed with new frame

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  1. jackson vile

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    I know, I am still in shock to be honest. Looks like advocates for Federer using a bigger racket won!


     
  2. cc0509

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    I agree with you that the racquet will probably make very little difference in Federer's game because it is his defense/footwork/movement that is off due to aging which may be compounded by his chronic back issue. However, that is not to say that he should not try whatever he can in order to compensate for these physical factors which he can't control. It is admirable that he is willing to try something different at this stage of his career.
     
  3. cc0509

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    How do you know he has not had injections in his back already? I am pretty certain he has, that would only be logical right?
     
  4. cc0509

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    True.................
     
  5. BreakPoint

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    Won what? :confused:

    Won more shanks and losing to qualifiers?

    Now everyone knows his problems had nothing to do with his racquet.
     
  6. TheNatural

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    Fed looks very clumsy with the big racket, and the confidence and swag is missing, my prediction is that he will swiftly revert back to his usual racket. If he sticks with the big racquet he will never reach a slam semi with it.
     
  7. Bartelby

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    The racquet is a last throw of the dice to forestall retirement from injury.
     
  8. sureshs

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    He reached the semis.

    We don't know what he would done with his old frame. And he probably expended less energy too. The shanks are not the issue. The younger guys hit harder and make him run more.

    There is also a mental block. If he is not confident that he will win, he will lose. He used to get out of a lot of breakpoints by serving aces and the opponents were also mentally weak. Now he cannot get free points easily and opponents think they can beat him. It becomes a self-feeding spiral going down.
     
  9. Sentinel

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    Far from suresh's "drying up pool of old farts"
    Fred will never listen to TW's armchair hacks again ! Suresh, you are fired. :D
     
  10. homeytheclown

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    I'm not incredibly shocked Federer tried a new frame and potentially will switch to this 98 square inch frame permanently. I believe he is searching for a "quick" fix. After watching him in person at Roland Garros this year and comparing it with 2005 and 2008 at Cincinnati, I think his nemesis is his MOVEMENT. No racquet will make up for that. It's quite possible his back is limiting his game as well because he gets very little trunk rotation on his serve these days. Just my observations, but I think there is a serious misconception that a 95 square inch or 98 or 100 or whatever somehow is that significantly different than a 90 square inch racquet. Federer would destroy 99.99999999% of the planet with a 60 square inch wooden racquet. Why could Sampras win Slams from 1990-2002 (not including 1991 and 1992) with a 85 square inch racquet while the rest of the field played with 95 square inch? Because he was that good. Same with Federer. He has been just that good. But, tennis is a young man's game and young guys move better than older guys. Pretty simple. Fed used to move like he was ice skating on a tennis court. Effortless. Watch any of the practice videos on YouTube from Hamburg 2013 and you will see a 90% version of prime Federer. It's incredibly sad as a tennis fan because Father Time is remorseless.
     
  11. sureshs

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    I am fired up
     
  12. BreakPoint

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    That's not a very good result IMO for someone who's won the tournament 4 times before, and has also bageled Nadal and beat him on the Hamburg clay.

    He also lost to a qualifier who's highest ranking ever was #98.

    At least Stakhovsky was ranked as high as #31.
     
  13. 70後

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    I observed that Fed's shanking with the new racquet got worse, I hypothesize that Fed should simply keep increasing his racquet head size until he doesn't shank, guaranteed to work, rules be danged.

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    hmmm needs a handle. Definitely one for two handed backhand.
     
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  14. furryballs

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    perhaps he needs glasses!..you cant hit the ball properly if you cant see it properly....and no you dont have to be old to have visual problems.
     
  15. Omega_7000

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    Fed just can't win here.

    If he sticks to his old racket: The guy is so stubborn and is not willing to change with times.

    If he switches rackets: He made a mistake by changing the racket that got him 17 majors.
     
  16. Bartelby

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    The reality is that he played two tournaments he would not have without the racquet switch and if he takes the new racquet to the new world then his mind is made.
     
  17. swedenparty

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    His racket is fine, Roger is on the right track!!!
     
  18. djones

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    +1, Federer will probably switch back before the US Open.
     
  19. sureshs

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    First Stacky, then somebody else .. that is how it will go. These things are random. Stacky has lost all matches since that win. Anyone can do well on a given day.

    After 3 matches, Fed probably just doesn't have mental and physical energy left.

    As I said, speculation is useless.
     
  20. ksbh

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    The other problem for Federer is that the Madasamy, Kandasamy and Harry's of this world have started to believe they can beat him on the court. A bigger frame isn't going to solve his problem.

    He needs to start playing more offensive tennis and should consider getting a new tennis coach to improve his offensive play. I'd recommend someone like Slobodan Zivojinovic or Zeeshan Ali who were known to be excellent offensive players in their peak playing days.
     
  21. kalyan4fedever

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    No this is too dangerous again changing racquet back...he has to get on with it.....
     
  22. Nitish

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    Never expected to see these names here:)
     
  23. Steve0904

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    I agree with the bolded. Maybe it's just a product of me getting used to the smaller racquet, but when I watched Federer play in Hamburg, I just couldn't get used to watching him play with a noticeably bigger racquet. It looked unnatural (no pun intended). If it helps him win more I'm all for it, but it still looks wrong to me. Maybe I'll get used to the bigger racquet though, who knows.

    Admirable that he's trying something new though.
     
  24. ksbh

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    LOL, Nitish! :)

    Hope you've heard of Slobodan and the peerless Zeeshan Ali ;)

     
  25. Nitish

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    I have heard of Zeeshan Ali but I just googled Slobadan(watching his match against Mcenroe USO 87 on youtube right now).Looks like he retired before I was born:(
     
  26. BreakPoint

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    Is there another coach alive today that played and knows offensive tennis better than Paul Annacone? The guy attacked the net on every 1st and 2nd serve and on every 1st and 2nd service return.
     
  27. NADALbULLS

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    I find Federer more entertaining with the large racquet. Just because its fun to see what happens.
     
  28. ksbh

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    Fantastic Nitish! Slobodan and Zeeshan Ali were players who never could fulfill their talents. A shame, but their tennis was magical to watch!

     
  29. ksbh

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    Breakpoint, a coach is only as great as the player he's been. A great example is Ivan lendl and the incredible things he's done to Andy Murray's career.

    Paul Annacone was never a great player himself and will never be in the leagues of the great coaches. Federer needs to find a good offensive coach. Else, and mark my words, he won't ever win another slam.

     
  30. Rainalkar

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    You will all see that he will still win another Slam.
     
  31. sureshs

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    Which former player was offensive and successful who is available today, and who can do it better or even just comparable to Federer? Sampras may have been a better S&V-er but Federer will never have his serve and the style of play may not work today even if he did.
     
  32. BreakPoint

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    Tell Pete Sampras that Paul Annacone is not a great coach. It's a shame that Annacone turned Sampras from being the most offensive top player on tour into the most defensive player.

    Federer may never win another Slam with ANY coach. How many players have won a Slam past the age of 32? McEnroe couldn't win another one past the age of 25.

    And all Lendl did for Murray was to help him get over losing his first four Slam finals. Murray would have eventually won a Slam with or without Lendl. Murray is just lucky that he played a tired Djokovic instead of either Federer or Nadal to win his two Slam finals.
     
  33. Shangri La

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    Fed will probably win another 17 slams if he switches back to the PS 85.
     
  34. jackson vile

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    Does anyone have any good footage for comparison? Over time it should help his chronic back injury.
     
  35. ksbh

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    LOL, you really are a fanatic!

    Murray would have wiped the floor with Federer or Nadal. Yes he has a bad record against those 2 but then he isn't he player that he once was. Getting over the hurdle of the first slam does wonders to a top player such as Murray. Poor Djokovic got brushed aside in the final! The hell he was tired!

     
  36. Sentinel

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    Far from suresh's "drying up pool of old farts"
    Toni Nadal also comes to mind.

    But oh by the way, won't Zeeshan Ali be too busy with his current coaching assignments to coach Federer?
     
  37. Bobby Jr

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    Toni Nadal, Richard Williams, Mike Agassi, Walter Bartoli and Jelena Gencic say hello!
     
  38. Nathaniel_Near

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    And from the dead, apparently.

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    It was always too early to make any pertinent observations that have any guaranteed long term truth to them. It is an entirely new wand to him, after all.
     
  39. sureshs

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    Totally different circumstances. We are not talking about juniors or captive situations here.

    Do you think any pro is trying to hire Richard Williams or Mike Agassi as his coach?
     
  41. sureshs

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    See my post above.
     
  42. ksbh

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    I understand the point you're making. It's true that I'm busy with my current coaching assignments but I'll be more than happy to set them aside to coach Federer.

    But the question isn't my availability. The question is, will Federer be prepared to make changes to his game that I will no doubt demand? Having been a baseliner all his life, will he be ready to start playing offensive?

     
  43. ksbh

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    Bobby, good point but please see Suresh's response to that particular point.

     
  44. tusharlovesrafa

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    Who is the scary looking lady in your avatar?:shock:
     
  45. ksbh

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    LOL, it's Lenka :)

    Does she really look scary? Please elaborate! :)

     
  46. sureshs

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    Who is Lenka? Some relative of Mirka? There are images of a Lenka on the web but they don't look like this.
     
  47. sureshs

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    What kind of compensation would you seek from him for your efforts?
     
  48. ksbh

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    Lenka is a lady that a friend of mine bedded while on the tour :)

    If I remember correctly, it was during the European swing. It was many years ago and I can't remember the country :)

     
  49. ksbh

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    Sir this is confidential information but because you've done so much for this great sport, I don't mind revealing to you, and also because I haven't signed a contract of any kind with Federer yet.

    I'd seek 15% of his annual prize money and all expenses to be paid by Federer for travel, food and companionship.

    Any questions, please let me know.

     
  50. BreakPoint

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    I guess you didn't see Federer serve and volley his way to victory over Sampras at Wimbledon in 2001 and en route to winning Wimbledon in 2003? Or his aggressive offensive tennis from 2004-2007? He only let up after 2008 due to his bout with mono.
     

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