Odd looking classics

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  1. Virginia

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    I thought it might be fun to post pics of some of our more strange looking racquets - ones that perhaps didn't take off, for one reason or another.

    My Wilson Legacy is certainly strange looking, but it also has a certain beauty - what do you all think?

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  2. Bud

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    Le Coq Sportif Concept 3/TXW

    Le Coq Sportif Concept 3/TXW

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  3. jimbo333

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    Stop it please.......
     
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  4. Virginia

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    I love those, Bud - I have the Noah TF-40 (with the ultra thin middle throat piece) and the Roscoe Tanner model. I think the design is quite beautiful and not odd at all... :)
     
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    Yeah I agree, not at all odd, some of the best looking frames ever:)

    I have 9 different versions of the Concept 3, which laughably I didn't realise was named after the 3 pronged throat!! Honestly it just didn't register with me until recently!!!

    Bud is saving this one for me, to make it a round 10 in my collection!! Honestly he is:):)
     
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  6. Bud

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    What do the last 3 letters signify?
     
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  7. Virginia

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    Let's see...

    Three wives? hope not!
    Three racquets? Obviously not!
    Three children? Ah, triplets?
     
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  8. schu47

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    I've got some odd ones, Virginia, but here's one of the oddest. It's called a Chris 5-Star. Easy to see why this one didn't take off. It's like a racquet UFO. Odd thing is, I've played with it, and it actually is a nice racquet -- not nearly as clunky as it looks. Anyone else tried this beauty?
     
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  9. Kirko

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    Oh my ! I rmember the legacy and if we ever hear "the technology to end all technolgy" all we have to do is remeber the groundbreaking legacy ! :) very neato Virginia !
     
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  10. Virginia

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    schu47, that certainly is an odd one - what head size is it? Seems like it's pretty big.

    I've never seen these on the bay, must be pretty rare.

    Kirko, if they're not beautiful, they're interesting, no two ways about it. Sometimes, of course, they're both.
     
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  11. Rorsach

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    I keep hitting myself in the head for throwing out an old tennis magazine a couple of years ago. I had bought it somewhere in the 80's and it was a 200-300 pages thick. It had every frame with pictures, stats and playtests in it. Every frame i keep seeing here was in it.

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  12. Dino Lagaffe

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    The Noah not only looks good, it is also very nice to play with. The specs measured on my racquet:

    Weight 356 g./12.56 oz
    Flex: 60
    SW: 342
     
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  13. Deuce

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    I remember wanting one of those in the 80s.
    In my adolescent mind at the time, I concluded that it must be very stable.

    I never did get one.
    Never even hit with one.
    But I remember them very vividly.
     
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  14. roundiesee

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    Didn't Yannick Noah use one of those to win his French title against Mats Wilander? I thought he served and volleyed beautifully for 3 sets! Must have been a great all-court racket to use!
     
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  15. Dino Lagaffe

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    No, in 1983 he used the Concept 3 oversize. It looks like this:
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    I measured the the following specs on one of mine:

    Concept 3 Oversize
    Weight: 382 g./13.48 oz
    Flex: 49
    SW: 351
     
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    That's the one...

    Definitely the right stick... There were later models, but that's the one Noah used to win the French. I've got the later Noah TS-25 (all black), but I'm still in less-than-50-post jail, so I can't post a picture yet. :evil:
     
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    Was Noah's racquet graphite or wood? I always assumed it was graphite but then I thought I read it was wood...
     
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  19. Dino Lagaffe

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    The Concept 3 oversize is made of graphite reinforced wood.
     
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    Chris 5-Star

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    Deuce and Virginia. This thing isn't quite as monstrous as it looks when you set it on top of another racquet. It's probably got about a 110 sq. in. head, like the Prince oversize it's sitting on top of. Not real heavy, either -- probably less than 12 oz. It seems so odd to me, but some of these racquet manufacturers didn't put any real information on their frames, like head size, composition, weight. This one just says "Composite," although a composite of what is anybody's guess. About the only thing it has is this extended pseudo-scientific gibberish about the racquet's "essentially larger radius of gyration." I guess all those things are part of the charm of these frames.
     
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    A beautiful racket but kills me to see those cheapo strings on it.
     
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    i love the cheapo strings, reminiscent of a herringbone suit with elbow patches and a pipe, looks like a racquet out of a Connery Bond flick!
     
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  24. Dino Lagaffe

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    1. I think I know who... :wink:
    2. I googled it. Actually I'm in Sweden. We still can compare notes, though. :)
     
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    I, too like the look of the strings! :)

    What kind are they BTW... anyone recognize them? They are slightly textured.

    One of these days, I'll get around to re-stringing it with some NG and Power Pads :)
     
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  26. jimbo333

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    What an amazing series of racquets these Le Coq Sportif Concept 3 Series are:) I have the following in my collection:-

    1. Roscoe Tanner TXM
    2. TXO
    3. Noah TCO
    4. Noah TS-30
    5. Noah TF-40
    6. TF-30
    7. C3-Mid
    8. Noah PRO
    9. C3 F100

    Need photos really to show these, but still having problems on that front:( And looking to add another at some point in the future!!!
     
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    I'm looking to match my tanner, please save the 85 non-widebody concept 3's that look like this for Plasma, without them: he is powerless!!!
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    my roscoe is part prostaff, part vacuum pro 90. It plays brilliantly, yet my inability to match it makes me weep.
     
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  28. jimbo333

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    Wheres that ball now Roscoe?

    Now concentrate, CONCENTRATE:):)
     
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  29. Bud

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    Post the pics, already! :twisted:
     
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  30. jms007

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    My god. I bet you can make some pretty sweet airshots with that thoat
     
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  31. jimbo333

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    I'm not giving up:)

    I have the new camera, and it takes great photos, and can transfer them to my computer, so am more than halfway there:)

    But whenever I try to upload to photohost site, my computer crashes!! Someone is hopefully sorting this at the weekend. I've got loads of photos to show:)
     
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  32. robby c

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    Played the Tanner TXM my Sr. year in college in '85. Great serving racquet.
    Robby C
     
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    Oh God mate - please post the pics when you can with perhaps a little review or summary of each frame. These things are pretty hard to find - I've never known anyone to have as many as 9 different models. Even start a new thread about it - I'm sure you'll make many many people very happy. Tinypic is a good host and allows you to resize photos as well.

    Can't wait to to see the pics. I just found myself a TCO and was feeling pretty pleased - but I'm just a pauper in the fields compared to you!
     
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  34. Virginia

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    I agree, galain - I have the Tanner and the TF-40 and just love these racquets and would love to have even more.

    schua47, just a reminder, I have a TF-40 for you - will send it next month. :)
     
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    Yeah these are great Racquets for sure:)

    Photos will be on their way soon, hopefully after the weekend:):)
     
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    Get that camera already :evil:

    What's the difference between the Concept 3 Oversize and the Noah TCO? I've seen pics of both, but they look the same.
     
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  37. vsbabolat

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    Here is the Concept Three TXO that was considered Oversize in the early 80's.
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    The Concept Three TCO Noah that was wood reinforced with graphite which was also called Oversize at the time.'
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    What exactly was the 'concept' behind the three prongs in the throat?
     
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  39. vsbabolat

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    To absorb shock, vibration, and add stability to the racquet.
     
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    Did it work? :lol:
     
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    yah mon, dis ting, it work, it work mi breddren, mi serve is a roairn a lion a judah, bumba rumba shabba shooby.
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    french open champion Yannich Noah
     
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    Managed to find 2 Le Coq Sportif Classics. One Concept 3 Oversize, and one Noah TCO. If only the mail guys would hurry up and deliver them. Still don't know the difference between them though, but i think it's the same frame with 2 different names.

    2 small, low quality pics:

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  43. AndrewD

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    Yep, I remember the Chris. There were a few different models - in terms of cost: the blue, the white and the black, not sure if there was another one as well. While you could certainly hit a reasonable ball with it (reasonable, not great) the design had one major flaw. As soon as it got windy the racquet would almost take on a life of its own and you'd end up using all your strength to stop it being pushed around by the wind . At impact it was okay but, due to the lack of weight, just not solid enough.

    I do also recall that there was a Spalding frame from almost the exact same period of time that had a particularly unusual shape (one of a whole range that had an odd sort of style). It was taken up by a few pros and I remember David Pate and Tami (or Teri) Whitlinger using it. Jet black and exceptionally stiff. Also remember Bryan Shelton, Debbie Graham and Shaun Stafford using models in the Spalding range.
     
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    I'd love to get a spalding cross string racquet in 80 sq. in...perhaps the best and most enjoyable research on the subject of odd racquets; that I've found is:
    http://www.tennishistory.com.au/
    I wish that there was more info to read on racquets, guess I've got to get Keublers book...
     
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  45. vsbabolat

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    I know Le Coq Sportif did a limited edition re-release last summer of those racquets celebrating Noah's 25th anniversary of winning the French Open. They only sold those racquets in Europe last Summer.:(

    The original production of the TCO had Oversize written on the bridge of the racquet. My TXO has oversize written on the bridge of the racquet. "Concept Three Oversize". They were considered Ovesize racquet back in the early 80's. Now they are considered Midplus
     
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    If you manage to find an extra copy of that book, let me know.
     
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    OK, here is my March Madness Odd All-Star starting five, in addition to the others which have been posted so far:

    Mad Raq New York
    Blackburne DS107 Double Strung
    Wilson Javelin 95
    Bergelin Long-String (yellow version that has both MacGregor and Asics logos)
    Snauwaert Ergonom.

    Gotta be even weirder ones out there. Anybody else?




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  48. plasma

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    what an awesome collection of oddball concept racquets. I have a bunch of great oddballs. F150 is still the oddest and most ironic and fugly of the bunch, just can't bring myself to adopt one!!! hoe does the edberg Javelin play?, there's one I'd looove to get!!!!
     
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    It has a HUUUUUUUUUUGE sweetspot.

    Just kidding :).
     
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    Just stumbled across this thread...been reliving the 70s-90s on a couple of other threads. I actually have a Wilson Legacy, original strings...looks to have hit just a few balls.

    I played and taught with the white Chris Star for a few months. Fantastic stability on off-center hits...a bit of a bother to string, depending on the machine. They had a bit of a following in Atlanta for a while. The Spalding that was similar had an even wider span at the throat...didn't mount at all on some stringers. Same idea for off-center stability but the junction of the throat and hoop was pretty weak and split easily.

    I don't have one but I'm surprised the Durbin isn't shown here. Pretty strange for its day.
     
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