Of Trophies And Paperweights

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  1. drakulie

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    Well, what do you care if you have it correct or not anyway? I mean, it is not that big of an achievement anyways, right?
     
  2. Steady Eddy

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    They could give you a blue ribbon or some sort of certificate. You could put that in a folder or a scrapbook. But a trophy is something you should put on a mantel or a display case. It seems to demand alot of space. Even a diploma isn't as demanding. I've got two lame tennis trophies. Maybe I should pitch them? I keep them where guests can't see them. I'd be embarrassed if they new I'd hung on to these. :oops:

    I think I was glad when I got them because they verified that I was some level of tennis player vs. someone who occasionally plays tennis. I didn't play on a high school team, so it mattered.
     
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  3. Cindysphinx

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    Well, the point of having a snazzy diploma is so you can hang it in your office for when clients come a'callin'. Definitely gotta frame those and hang 'em high.

    Yeah, that is weird that we display trophies in our own homes. Do "real" athletes do that? I seem to recall certain interviews with athletes that showed some athletes did devote rooms to their trophies. Or maybe their parents did?

    I wouldn't save ribbons either, but I save photos. But only photos of people, not photos of things. I would never take a picture of the Eiffel Tower and put it in a scrapbook. I know what the thing looks like. People change, and your recollection can fade, so you have to save their pics in a photo album.

    I guess the reason I have my little trophy (a square made of clear Lucite) displayed (on a window sill) is because . . . I think it is kind of funny. My 2.5 trophy is pretty much the lowest-level trophy you can possibly win in tennis, so it amuses me. If anyone were to ask me about it, I can explain just how bad I was and maybe get a laugh.

    Hmmm. Maybe I should pitch it . . . .

    Cindy -- whose family would probably think she had received a terminal diagnosis if she started discarding tennis stuff
     
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    We do not say "anyways."
     
  5. Ripper014

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    You still get a pretty good package for most marathons... just finishing the race is an accomplishment for most runners. Once you have done that it become a personal accomplishment... ie. running sub 4 hours... or 3:30 etc...

    Of course there is always the T-shirt and medal.

    As for the tournies I can honestly say... I do not really remember much about the finals and getting the hardware... I do however have brief glimpes of the great matches... such as a semi when we were down triple matchpoint in mixed tourney and I went for a backhand winner on the return of a second serve, made the shot... and then we went on to win it in a long 3rd set tie-break.

    In looking back I have fonder memories of those epic matches over the hardware that came from the tournies. Including winning league play... hearing in the bathroom that they had brought up a ringer and still beating him was sweet, as on another occassion when a team had switch their 1 and 2's and it still not making a difference.

    It is truly the memories not the hardware that I treasure the most.
     
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    No need to discard it but maybe put it somewhere where your great great great grandchildren might find it and have the legend grow where you were a great tennis player that once beat Steffi Graf on a court in the corn fields of Ohio...


    By the way those diplomas are also sitting in a box somewhere in the basement collecting dust... someone once said to me they are not worth the paper they are printed on... in many ways he was right.
     
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  7. Fed Kennedy

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    I remember at the USO in 2008 they asked Fed whether he wanted Nadal or Murray in the final, he said: "I want the trophy".
    Trophies are awesome, I covet all of them: little league, 3.5 tennis, swimming ribbons, diplomas, whatever, they are sweet, they tell a nice story.
     
  8. Ripper014

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    I think he meant he wants the title...
     
  9. drakulie

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    huh?

    you made a "type"????



    Practice what you preach much?
     
  10. mtommer

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    Why question hanging on to it? :D. I look at it like this: I still have my cross country medals from Regionals and other meets, my newspaper clippings from being featured in the paper, baseball trophies and even a little pinebox derby trophy from boy scouts that I came third in. I think how trophies and ego are perceived depends upon you as the person. Mementos being display by one person my be taken as obnoxious by visitors but not with another. I think they're good for providing insight into the people who have them, what they like and do tell me a little about them as a person subsequently. Am I proud of those trophies etc.? Yes, I am.

    What Topaz and others can't seem to understand is that my accomplishment is not lessened just because I acknowledge that my accomplishments aren't diminished. For example, I recognize my Regionals meet time wasn't close to world class, let alone national class. I recognize my accomplishment is hardly world class and don't act like it is. It wasn't even a PR for me. Trust me, if the top five runners had run my time they would have been PI**ED!. I (and others) did beat two others who should have been top five by their times they had posted all season. They were pi**ed and "badmouthing" their times and finish placement. They were scowling as they accepted their ribbons. That isn't demeaning my accomplishment, anybody else or being a bad sport. It's "badmouthing" themselves and only themselves because they expected better and failed. They had a right to be upset with themselves and to show it.


    mtommer - who apparently must be insecure and attacking of others because he can talk about quality of levels in a broad view and an objective and general sense. :)wink:)
     
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  11. Bagumbawalla

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    A trophy AND money is nice.
     
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    I'm sure it depends on the athlete. I know NFL Rushing Champion Emmitt Smith kept every football he scored with, something like 200 and has only parted with a few over the years. I seriously doubt if he has them stuffed in a box under the bed.

    As a proud parent I'd say that any achievement your children accomplish deserves as much recognition as possible. My daughter’s plaques for High School Valedictorian is in our trophy case along side those earned by both my girls for being the best musician in their respective orchestras.
     
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    You are going after her kids??

    That is low, even by TT standards. And you are like what? 30 years old?
     
  14. drakulie

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    No, I'm going after her.
     
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    Years back my friend would come back from California once a year and we would play our annual match. I found an old Loving Cup trophy from somewhere and we used a label maker to *engrave* it with our own tournament title. It made the match a lot more fun pretending it was the finals of our own "invitational". One year we even had his son play ball boy. If I won it stayed, if he won, it went with him.

    And as far as displaying trophies in your home, that should be anyone's option. I know if I noticed a tennis trophy in someone's house, the first thing I would ask is how they won it, and second would be when could we start playing?

    One more thing… would a Best Actor/Actress consider an Academy Award a paperweight?
    What about the Oscars given for awards they give out a few nights before and don't televise? Can an Oscar for such an award be *low level*?
     
  16. Ripper014

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    Now that is the wrong thing for you to be using as an example... that and something like Figure Skating... anything that is subjective has always been a problem for me personally.

    To me something like the Oscars is something the movie industry came up with to showcase themselves... Walmart should come up with something so they can give an award to the best Greeter in North America.
     
  17. raiden031

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    I betcha the MTV movie awards are paperweights for Oscar-worthy actors.
     
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    I dealt with that. I said that it's different for a high school that keeps trophies on behalf of the students that earned them. You're keeping your daughter's trophies because you're proud of her. It's different keeping them for yourself. For example, it you showed them to company, they'd think, "He's proud of his daughter." If you showed them your own trophies, they'd think, "He's bragging to us." See the difference?

    As for Emmitt Smith, I don't know what he's going to do with all those footballs.
     
  19. Steady Eddy

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    Lucky him!

    I disagree. There should be a federal mandate against this. If police hear that someone is displaying insignificant trophies in a private home, they should break down the front door with a battering ram. Then they should confiscate the trophies and sentence the displayer to hard time in federal prison.

    Exactly.
     
  20. tennytive

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    Good one! I can just see the winner holding up his Smiley Face award while the losers all say it was enough just to be nominated.
     
  21. tennytive

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    Ha. Shirley you jest. :)
     
  22. mtommer

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    Hmmmm, I don't know. I think driving their armored vehicle straight through the front door and then letting loose their death squad would be a bit more appropriate. Actually, I don't know why Zeus and his lightning bolts don't get involved.
     
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  23. raiden031

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    Hey guys I broke into Drakulie's house and found this on his trophy shrine...

    [​IMG]
     
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    And to think that there were only 8 in the draw. :(
     
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    I was the 3rd place in my group when I entered the singles tournament for the first time a few years ago. There were only three players in the group. :D

    I love my trophy as it is my first and only one trophy so far though I have several metals. :wink:
     
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    I have one trophy. Two t-shirt wins. Really I shouldn't show it the trophy to anyone. But you know when my wife broke it when moving house I asked her to glue it back together. Not that I was hurt. Rather I still wanted it. It's up in a kitchen cupboard behind cups and glasses.

    I'm way too old for caring: but I do like my little trophy, cough cough, cough... it felt like an achievement.
     
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    This a good thread.

    ALSO 1000 POST!
     
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    I hear what you are saying and I agree that forcing them on visitors is excessive bragging and can bore the heck out of people but I don't feel that you have to hid them away in the back of the closet so no one but you can see them either. I built a pretty big house a few years ago and since I had all these things laying around and our teams (and I really feel prouder about the team ones) seemed to be winning something almost every year and I was ending up with the hardware I built a cabinet to hold them. Now when the teams come over after the games to swim the rookies can see the greatness to which they can aspire, haha.

    I don't grab people by their dainties and say "look, look what I done" but if they stop and look at them I might say what a couple of them are for. Some people are interested some aren't but my cats seems to like them so it's all good.
     
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  30. JRstriker12

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    My two cents - I love my paperweights.....

    Being a busy family man, I only get about one weekend a year where I can play in a USTA tournament instead of just leagues. Two years ago I signed up for a 3.5 tourney in singles and won it, and last year I got to the finals of the same tourney and lost to the same guy I beat the year before (it was a tough rematch that I lost in 3-sets). I have trophies for both events.

    I think everyone likes a little recognition no matter what level of play. If you win an NTRP tournament, you still had to beat out X number of players who are at your level to win it, and that's not easy. It took me a lot of bruising loses in league play, plus a lot of balls hit in practice to move my game up to a point where I could win at the 3.5 level. The year I won, I went up against a friend who used to whip me on a regular basis and I pulled through - I also managed not to cramp up or die as we played in 100+ degree heat ;) .

    I'm not under illusions that I just won a Grand Slam. I also don't really care if player X finds those trophies to be impressive. However, these trophies are a nice little reminder of those accomplishments. It's also a reminder of how much father I need to improve if I want to do the same thing after being bumped to 4.0.
     
  31. Cindysphinx

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    Aw . . . that's really sweet!

    Cindy -- glad her trophy is made of lucite, which appears indestructible
     
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    This is interesting but kind of baffling. Mr. Executive is worried about the lid falling off, but where did the Telstar-satellite-looking thing in the player's face come from? Did the loser throw it at him?
     
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    ^^^I think it is the bottom part of the trophy, though the idea of the loser throwing it at him is more entertaining!
     
  34. Topaz

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    Is it not ok to be proud of one's achievements that they've worked hard to accomplish?

    Is it not possible for parents to be excessively bragging about their kids?

    As for Emmitt Smith, I wouldn't worry too much...something tells me he's got plenty of room for displaying each and every one of those footballs!!!
     
  35. mtommer

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    For Pete Sampras' sake Topaz, NO ONE IS SAYING THIS!!!!

    Let me give you a very real example of objectivity versus personal pride.

    Here's my most recent video I uploaded (not that recent play but still). I'm proud of my form in this video because of the CONTINUAL improvement of form that it shows for me.....FOR ME. I'm not proud of it because it represents some fool's notion that it actually look's good or represents anything even remotely close to pro looking. Anybody here could pick it apart and show it for the crappy form it is. And if they did? If they came out and said how bad it is, should that affect my pride in achievement? They would be honest, right and correct in pointing out how bad I am.

    WHAT DOES ANY OF THAT HAVE TO DO WITH MY SENSE OF ACCOMPLISHMENT!!!!!!! It has nothing to do with it because as "bad" as the video is, I used to be much worse. Looking at it in that light, I have reason to feel PERSONAL accomplishment. I don't nor should I expect anybody else to be impressed or even to PRETEND to be impressed for the sake of being polite. I can see what I have accomplished and deal with being told what I have not.

    Maybe the overall issue with this whole bit of nonsense is that some people find strength from within, an indomitable spirit, while others seek it from those around them. Maybe the issue is simply a lacking of being able to understand the other's viewpoint for they are naturally diametrically opposed.
    I don't know. What I do know is that nobody is trying to tear you down personally, myself included nor do I believe so of Jolly, Cindy and others too.

    http://www.vimeo.com/9287787
     
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    Uhhh, I don't think anyone is tearing me down at all. I've said several times that I understand the viewpoint of those that don't put any value into the trophies. My point is that the physical trophy is a representation (most of the time) of some darn hard work. And that hard work, as you very aptly put it, often comes from a strong internal motivation. And to me, that is a *good* thing, and while someone else may not care about it, they shouldn't feel the need to tear it down either. But again, I've never personally felt that anyone in this thread was tearing *me* down.

    And why are you bringing Jolly and Cindy into this? My reply was to Eddy. I'm participating in a discussion, is that ok?

    *scratching head*

    Don't read more into my posts that what I've put out there, 'kay?
     
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    Overall context of the thread. You're one of the one's who deride Jolly for his 3.5 (and recent comment) trophy comment and took it personally. Are you saying you no longer do so? Are you saying this isn't tearing someone personally down because they view such a trophy as a paperweight (or f'in whatever)?
     
  38. JoelDali

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    Hilarious.
     
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    was wondering where that disappeared.
     
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    Mtommer you should just give up...this groups is never going to listen to any sort of logical retort.
     
  41. Topaz

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    It is your assumption (along with your crew) that I take it personally. It is also your false assumption that my reply to Eddy had anything to do with Jolly (or Cindy?!?).

    I've said it a billion times, and I'll say it again:

    HERE IS MY BEEF WITH JOLLY


    *Jolly has posted comments, both from a long time ago and recent, that put down the efforts of other players. Jolly's comments were saying that he would consider a 3.5 trophy a paperweight because it so 'beneath' him...only it isn't beneath at all, is it?

    *Jolly has made claims of his own playing level and teaching experience that are false.

    *Jolly refuses to take responsibility or ownership of any of the things he has said, after being questioned by myself as well as others, both on and off the board. In doing so, he continues to show that he feels there is somehow something wrong with being anything lower than a 5.0, when in fact there is nothing wrong with it at all. Most of us are there...including him.

    Got it?

    Now, if you insist upon reading into everything as I write on this forum as being about Jolly, you are going to be awfully disappointed. My reply was to Steady Eddy. Are you guys that desperate that you are attacking things that are completely out of context and out of nowhere?

    Yeah, I thought so...

    I stand by my words...to make light and put down the accomplishments and efforts of others', especially when you haven't put up any of your own, is nothing short of rude.
     
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    Geeez man, splurge for a new can of balls once a year. You know, the kind that actually bounce. Wallmart sells them for 2$ if you're on a tight budget. :-|
     
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    The thing about a 3.5 trophy being just a paperweight, I remember it now. Had forgotten it until this post.

    I'm a 3.5 and nearly EVERYBODY I've ever played tennis with is pretty much at my level. Some, quite a bit worse. Almost never are they way better. So what is the level nearly everyone plays at? I think it's 3.5. I've had lessons, but am mostly self-taught, and I only have time to play on weekends. I'm not ashamed or surprised that I'm not a 5.0.

    Ok, you asked if parents can brag about their kids too much? I think so. But a proud parent isn't as annoying as a braggart. I kind of like seeing parents who are very proud of their children's achievements. That's all I got. :)
     
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    Yes, my reply was just meant for you and in reply to what you had said! Sorry to have to derail for a moment.

    We're not all going to be 5.0s, plain and simple. And I think there is nothing wrong with that at all. Some of us work very hard to be where we are...whether that is 2.5, 3.5, 4.0, 5.5, or 7.0...I personally don't think it is anyone's place to put down another's effort. There is no shame in your level, whatever it is!

    Yes, I think Raiden actually investigated this once...that the majority of players are 3.5/4.0 range (maybe he'll chime in here)...and as JRStriker put it, sometimes with all the other things people are doing (job, family, whatnot) that in itself is really awesome. And again, not to be scoffed at. (not saying you are Eddy)

    I think a lot of us, and I would put me and Cindy in this category, are kind of working systematically through the levels...once we move up, we try to figure out what we need to improve to get the the next level. We will work hard to get there, and we might get there and we might not...but the goal is still a good, sound one. Like I said earlier in the thread, personally, I like setting goals.

    I have to admit, when you made the comment about parents bragging, I thought of the parent population at my school...and it does go overboard there! :D But yes, I think it is better to go overboard than not praise your kids enough!
     
  45. mtommer

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    Pardon? :confused:
     
  46. Jracer77

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    Wow, let me spell it out for you. The balls in your video hardly bounce. It's time to buy a new can. New balls bounce much better than the ones in your video. Does that connect the dots for you? (Oh geez, now I guess I'm going to have to explain what connect the dots means.)
     
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    Hey, I think your strokes look pretty good, but do you realize you're playing sideways? Your opponent seems very consistent. And the poster with the snide comment about your balls not bouncing much? He might have a point...
     
  48. Jracer77

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    Wow again....you don't realize he's hitting against a wall?.....too funny.
     
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    ^^^lmao ^^^
     
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    Ok now that the SHOUTING has died down - you're the one who gets all personal on this issue, even posting your own video in this context. Topaz makes it perfectly clear what the issues are. Then you go and do some shouting...

    Look I'll have a go at it as well:

    • self-rated is no rating, if you want to claim one of the objective USA rating levels then best go by your comp results (not the rankings either)
    • belittling another's achievement is not cool
    • more/bigger/better equipment doesn't make you talented
    • yes you are responsible for what you post on the internet

    Trophies ARE an objectively awarded item externally conveyed upon our little bonces by those from above because we won a comp - yep beat all comers and took home the plastic-ware (oops mine's plastic lol).

    We are proud about our improving games, yes, we are proud about winning, yes, we are proud to see other players (incl. sons and daughters) do well, yes, and we are proud to compete (rather than just hit a ball).

    I know far too many "hitters" and, to me, that is not the game of tennis.

    It may seems bizarre to you but I don't think you're playing tennis until you're actually competing. Weird huh? But true, IMO it is only in competitive play that all sorts of things come out: tactics, nerves, equipment ground zero etc. I reckon for a lot of players competitive tennis is the real thing and hence a trophy is the pinnacle of that effort.

    I think you belong in another gentler and earlier era perhaps? (Mind, they didn't do much shouting back then...)
     

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