Official 2 Handed Forehand Thread

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  1. DoctorBackhand

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    Seeing as to how there is very little info on the 2 handed forehand, I figured I would make it easy for everyone by putting all the info in 1 thread. Here we can discuss grips, swingpath, and other things instead of scattering it across many different threads.

    Dave Smith's articles on tennisone..
    http://www.tennisone.com/newsletter/template/2.22.09.newsletter.html
    http://www.tennisone.com/magazine/iwells/07/smith/2-fh/2fh.php

    TW 2 Handed Forehand Threads
    Grips
    http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=319925
    http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=117654
    http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=319550
    http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=371585
    http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=345700
    http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=45829
    http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=13288
    Rackets
    http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?p=6264006&posted=1#post6264006
    http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=382424
    Instructional
    http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=402891
    http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=409715
    http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=82447
    http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=386212
    http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=172829
    http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=247095
    http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=165209
    Miscellaneous
    http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=393833
    http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=148691
    http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=56069
    http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=145778
    http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=353833
    http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=306457
    http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=10320

    2 Handed Forehand Club
    http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=186578

    Pros using 2 Handed Forehand
    http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=297438

    Advantages of 2 Handed Forehand
    http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...KfXL0nD_4pA_H2waw&sig2=ZDOGmTrOpXK-p2nlRQnJcw

    2 Handed Forehand Instructional videos
    http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL3849FCABA026E7DA&feature=mh_lolz
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5JaTL5k5MU&list=FLh1mbMy7vKZsI0XXgPltigQ&index=4&feature=plpp_video
    Feel free to post any links I may have missed.
     
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    bump...........
     
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  3. USS Tang

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    Thanks, Doc. As a two-hand forehander, I appreciate your posting all those articles.
     
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  4. DoctorBackhand

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    No problem at all! Just trying to make it easier to find the info we all need at one point or another.
     
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    I too would like to express appreciation for the good Doctor! It is most helpful for those considering the shot, or want to understand the mechanics, potential, and limitations of a two-handed forehand!

    With the rise of more players finding success, whether it be a club player who has struggled for years finding a more effective forehand, (or a more consistent one!), the junior looking to develop a foundation on the forehand, (which I've found with twenty years of teaching the shot, a two-handed forehand provides a huge advantage to developing an advanced foundation stroke pattern), or the potential pro, the ability to examine, define, identify and emulate a shot that is still considered 'unconventional,' (we heard that same term in the early 1970's when a couple players started showing up with two-handed backhands!), is critical.

    I've written several articles on the shot, in addition to the two posted by DoctorBackhand, that can be found at TennisOne.com. (As well as a few sites that have mysteriously posted my articles without permission...but, I'm okay with that if it helps players in the long run!)

    Thanks again for taking the time to accumulate this info, Doc!
     
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  6. Brian11785

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    I'm a 3.0 player (was probably a 2.0 or 2.5 this time last year) who's been playing for almost two years. Last summer, I decided to give the two-handed forehand a try. My one hander was all over the place (and even when hit "well" for me, wasn't that good.) I was expecting the stability of the other hand to improve my consistency, but I was shocked at how quickly my 2HFH became my favorite and most dominant shot.

    As far as grips go, I've experimented with just about everything. But I've found the combination that works for me: hit both forehand and backhand with symmetrical grips. I start out with both hand at semiwestern forehand grips on each side, and right after I split step and rotate my core, I move the front hand to continental (left hand for my forehand and right hand for my backhand.) And then after my shot, I reset back to semi-western and semi-western until my next split step. That's the combination that is optimal for me.
     
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    Are you my clone? I was in this exact same position! School work and weather make it very difficult to find any time to play, so I couldn't master any shot, let alone a 1 hander. The 2 hander just makes it easier to get back in the game after a long break, and is quickly becoming my better shot.
     
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  8. 2handsbothsides

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    Thanks Doc, now I have to read all those articles.

    I have played 2 handed tennis both sides for almost 30 years. Switched to tennis from basketball in my early 30's and had spent a lot of time shooting and passing with either hand. I realized very quickly I could play tennis a lot better using both hands, but the racket felt too short, so I lengthened a few.

    Once the length rule went into effect I played at 29" for quite a while, but now play best at 28". 27.5" feels like a toothpick and is too short for me.

    I also hit a lot of one handed volleys and slices with either hand so I have terrific court coverage, at least for my age.
     
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  9. halalula1234

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    do most pros with 2hfh have an extra long racket?
     
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  10. Brian11785

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    I know Bartoli gets her Prince custom-made to something like 29 inches. I don't know about Seles, Peng, etc.
     
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    In a word or two, can anyone tell me how to hit a topspin 2HFH versus a flat 2HFH? Is it the motion of the swing or the position of the racket face at point of contact with ball? Or is it both? I need some help on this.
     
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    Hitting flat versus topspin with two hands isn't much different than any other groundstroke: flatter, you need a more horizontal swing path, topspin, you need a more vertical path.

    Two hands tends to emphasize the topspin component because of the natural inclination for the off hand to pull the racquet up within the swing path. However, you can over ride this by doing two things:

    Start with a higher backswing;
    Raise the dominant elbow more through contact.

    Both these tips flatten the swing out.

    Good luck!
     
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    Ha! Interesting. I told my practice partner she should use continental/continental as a ready position. She said that felt weird. Maybe I can get her to try your idea.
     
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    Awesome. I started out doing that, thinking that, worst case scenario, if I got caught unprepared, I could actually hit a shot on either side with those grips (could be wrong, but I think continental and continental was how Jimmy Connors hit his backhand.)

    But for some reason, using the forehand grips as the ready position seems less cumbersome and more intuitive to me. Maybe it's because my right hand for my forehand (and, to a lesser extent, left hand for my backhand) is the dominant hand for the shot, so I swing more confidently knowing that dominant hand is in the correct grip position even before the beginning of the swing.
     
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    We should post some videos of our two-handed forehands in action. I would love to see how people here hit it. I will try to film some matchplay or practice hitting some time within the next week or two and post it here.
     
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    DoctorBackhand here

    Working on posting some video in the spring. Hopefully i'll be able to do it during Febuary break.
    When you post your vids I'll put the link in the OP.
     
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  17. acintya

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    hello my club of 2handers! :p nice topic, it really should be sticky!:)

    i have read all the topics but i still am strugling to find the perfect racquet for my game. i see you guys use for the most part heavy racquets but i play with a stock head youtek extreme mp and fits my game well... the most i like it on the serves.... but i have problems on backhand with returning wide angled groundstrokes....then my return is too weak and i dont have enough power... i wanna smash the ball from all areas of the court and i am starting to think you cannot do this well with a "light" racquet. does someone have a similar story? why do you all like this redondo racquet so much? :p
     
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    My racquet (Yonex RDIS 300) is about the same weight as yours, I believe (a little over 11 oz.) I have put another .4 oz in lead tape on the racquet (.3 wrapped under the overgrip and .1 at 6:00 and 9:00 in the head.) To me, that is the perfect compromise between a racquet light enough for serves (and one handed volleys/slices), yet one heavy enough to take advantage of my two-handed potential on groundstrokes. I say, play with the heaviest racquet that you feel comfortable serving with.
     
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  19. DoctorBackhand

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    If you look up the Redondo talks thread in the racket section you'll see why. It is a very low powered racket, extremely comfortable, and customizable. Seeing as to how you want to smash the ball from all areas of the court, the redondo might not work too well unless you have less modern technique.

    If you want something like the extreme then I suggest you demo (if you can) this
    http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/Head_MicroGEL_Extreme/descpageRCHEAD-HMGX.html

    if you just want more power than try these..
    http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/descpage-PO3W.html
    http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/descpage-PO3HS.html
    or, if you don't mind Babolats
    http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/Babolat_Pure_Drive_GT_Plus/descpageRCBAB-BPDGTP.html
    http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/Babolat_Pure_Drive_Roddick_GT/descpageRCBAB-BPDRGT.html
    The shock from impact will be evenly distributed to both arms, so don't worry too much about getting tennis elbow from a pure drive. I'm not actually that knowledgeable in the racket department so you might want to see what someone else has to say.
     
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    I'd consider the over 11 oz. Yonex racquets. They generally have huge sweet spots. I've hit with the RDIS 300, RDIS 100 MP and the RQIS 2 Tour and liked them all. Also, there's a two hander here who uses the RDIS 100 MID. Too heavy for me to serve, but at $85 right now on TW, it is a REAL steal. Heard nothing but good things about it, for people who can handle the heft.
     
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    I am right-hand dominant and hit a 2HFH on the right side and a 1HBH on the left side. The reason for two hands on the forehand is a shoulder injury I suffered a couple of years ago. Adduction (swinging toward the body) hurts it; abduction (swinging away) causes no pain. Hence, my unusual set-up.
    I have been very happy with my newest racket, a Prince EXO3 Red. It is 27.25 inches long weighing about 10.4 ounces strung with a 105 square inch head and 16 X 19 string pattern. For the record, I am 66 years old, 5'7" tall and weigh about 160 lbs.
     
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    Great vid, DevilsChildXD!
     
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  24. Brian11785

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    The forehand in that college match video is pretty explosive. Nice.
     
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    One of my hitting partners, who is number one open player for his section and I woul say at the very least a 5.5 if not higher, plays with a two handed forehand and it works very well for him.
     
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    A moderately-paced 2HFH is just so much more of a consistent shot (for me.) The problem is, I know how solid it is, so I tend to go for more than I should sometimes, negating this added consistency. Tennis self-sabotaging at its finest. This looks to be the case with the two-hander in the video as well. A lot of unforced errors.

    Out of curiosity, what grips do you guys use for your 2HFH and backhand? For the forehand, I'm at SW and continental. And the same for my 2HBH (with the hands switched of course.) I'll occasionally go a little more towards Eastern with my left hand on the backhand side.
     
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    I'm right-hand dominant. In the backcourt when I want to hit topspin, right (bottom) hand is semi-western; left (upper) hand is extreme continental. In doubles, I use two continental grips and hit flat, figuring there's no time to generate topspin.
     
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  28. Brian11785

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    Do you use two continental grips to volley with?
     
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    Absolutely.
     
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    Double conti 2 handers like FrewMcMillian and GeneMaybe were atop the doubles scene for more years than their skill level should have allowed.
     
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    Double eastern for both forehand and backhand.
     
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    Congrats, that was a tough one for me. I think this is how Bartoli plays, right? I like to hit the ball early, and I was hitting everything over the fence with this grip. You really have to wait for the ball.
     
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    Impressive. I will hit a two-handed backhand volley most of the time, but on the forehand side, I usually hit the one-hander. Two hands if I'm caught off-grip coming forward.

    At the baseline, I love slicing forehands and backhands with one or two hands. You might (or not) be surprised at how many 3.0 players can't read those shots. One of my main hitting partners says that he doesn't know my forehand from my backhand hehe.
     
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    HaroldSolomon used double SW, as does most players under 5'8".
    You should try double conti underspin volleys. At least for a hitting session, to see the power and control it gives you.
     
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    I find that with a double continental grip I am able to impart slight topspin on my two-hand forehand volleys at the net. It provides an extra surprise for my opponent, especially if the volley is angled.
     
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    Bump...

    How do you guys handle shoulder high 2handers? Bartoli just smacks the heck out of them, but I'm wondering if there is any other way to deal with them.
     
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    I mean, on a high ball, you have more room for error to hit your reply flat. That's typically what I'll do.
     
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    I smack a high ball as hard as I can, swinging from high to low. Usually it goes back deep with slight underspin.
     
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    Just got a text message from my main hitting partner. Apparently he was explaining to his tennis pro neighbor about how his forehands are too loopy and all arm.

    The pro recommended he try switching to a 2HFH, which would teach (force?) him to rotate and use his body better.
     
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  40. DoctorBackhand

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    ^^^Sounds about right according to Dave Smith.
     
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    Good news. Going out to hit this Sunday, going to bring the camera so I can try to get some video for you guys.

    P.S. Sorry in advance for the horrible hitting you will see. Still shaking off winter rust.
     
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    Sorry but no video today. In all my excitement I forgot that I don't have a tripod.
     
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    Can't wait to see the vid. I am on a pretty low-calorie diet for the next couple weeks, so I am not sure I'll have the energy to hit outside my mandatory league matches during this time, but I'd like to eventually get around to filming some points/machine hitting.

    Last Monday, I blindly signed up for a hitting group at a local park. Unbeknownst to me, the group was for 3.5 or better players (I have only been playing since summer of 2010 and hover around .500 in my 3.0 league.) After the initial nerves of feeling in over my head went away, I was shocked at how well I was keeping up with the group. Towards the end, we played tiebreaks, and I beat a guy soundly that plays 4.0 singles (granted, maybe he wasn't trying as hard as I was.)

    Point is, I don't have a lot of experience playing against really big hitters. But I think I much prefer it to the slow, slice-y and shanky game that is 3.0 singles. In my league, I find myself as the aggressor and hitting a bunch of unforced errors. But, in my points against these harder hitters, I found myself playing more defensively and using their pace. Didn't think I'd prefer that, but it was actually pretty awesome, since I was actually able to use my footspeed, a quality which doesn't come into play much in my 3.0 league. Point #2: Reach on the 2HFH is an overemphasized liability. If your anticipation and speed are good enough, it is a TOTAL non-issue IMO.
     
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    ^^^ I know what you mean. I only play against people above my level because it forces me to develop everything faster and like you said, it is more fun to blast the ball and have it blasted back at you. No better feeling in the world :)

    P.S. Its not an issue if your opponent doesn't hit angled shots. Once your in the doubles ally it becomes a major liability if you keep both hands on the racket (which I tend to do a lot).
     
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    Beat a guy 6-2, 6-1 who beat me last July before I switched to the 2HFH. In the previous match, I lost a set 0-6.

    Can't be a coincidence.
     
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    So excited today was my first competitive match in a city tournament playing with my new 2 hand forehand and i won my match 6-3, 6-2

    It was amazing cause my coach was saying i have controlled power now. So jazzed to hear that cause for the past months all i would hear being yelled is control the power
     
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    Ashanti, awesome. That is a common phrase I've said/read in these 2HFH threads: controlled power. We have more control/consistency with the two hands, so we feel more confident to take bigger cuts at the ball. So the result tends to be a shot with more control AND more power. You can't really argue with that outcome.
     
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    Thx brian yea she was a tough opponent to she hit with alot of spin and air in her shots high kick so alot of over my shoulder balls but i just was on and was ripping them flat and getting alot of depth as with my single hand forehand they would have gone in net
     
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    I still cannot get over how much power I am able to generate, especially hitting flat and cross-court.
     
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    Which string pattern do you all use which do you feel helps a to hander more if feel an open pattern is best as with my 2hand4hand i hit flat 80 percent of the time so an open string gives me so free spin atleast i feel it does i wonder how a 18x20 pattern would work well what do u all think
     
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