Official Dunlop iDapt Club 2014

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  1. Fed Kennedy

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    How is the feel? Is it more of a pure drive feel or more towards blade/6.1 players feel?
     
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  2. veecee

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    All the TW YouTube reviews are up. There seems to be a bit of love for the 98 extended.
     
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  3. sureshs

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    Tennis mag has an article on it
     
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  4. sureshs

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    Yeah I am using the Prince Graphite Classic 100 longbody and love it
     
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    I read that one of the fittings has to be done with a special tool available only with a dealer. I don't like that. I understand that it is for safety reasons, but I don't think a fitting by some guy at a retail shop is going to make me feel safe. I mean, these are not certified auto mechanics or someone like that whose traditions are well established.
     
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  6. MikeHitsHard93

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    Hopefully it will be reminiscent of the Prince boomerangs.
     
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  7. GoSurfBoy

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    With the mid-damper I played, more Wilson Blade/6.1. To me, Babs are very nice, but very.......crackily/boardy/stiff. Not a bad thing, just not a 'feel' I like. Maybe more Bab'y with the 'stiffest' feedback collar?

    'The tool' is a breaker-bar (I'm assuming, from descriptions) type of T-handle allen wrench. It's 'pre-set' to tighten to a certain poundage, then 'break', where it won't turn the bolt any tighter, so the threads can't be stripped out.

    Anyone can get a long, T-handle allen and do it, and just as many will turn it too tight and screw up their frames. Which is WHY Dunlop kept the tools with dealers.

    "Build it idiot-proof, and someone will build a better idiot"

    Since it IS aluminum (weight), it would be rather easy to overtighten and strip out. Aluminum strips REALLY easy, trust me.

    You'd also need a tube of Lock-Tite to keep the screw from backing out.

    From what I know/see of people? Best to let a dealer set you up.
     
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  8. Chotobaka

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    Darwinism at its finest.
     
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  9. sureshs

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    I doubt whether Federer will be able to meet your high standards, but it doesn't matter because it is about playing tennis, not about using a tool. If that is the kind of attitude that Dunlop also has, they will become the company that needs to get rid of idiots, given how much they sell compared to the big brands.

    The requirement to take it to a dealer is going to discourage experimentation with different setups, which is the whole purpose of this product. The article I read said that the fastening system was developed to be extra strong for safety reasons and is actually safer than a molded setup. That is good to hear because I don't want parts flying at me.

    Re: dealers: the pro shops I know use part time employees, often school and college students, to do the stringing. Are these the people who will be "trained" in the use of the tool? Or will it be the owner who is often not a technical type? It doesn't inspire much confidence to know that the 11th grade high school student who did my stringing last Saturday might be handling the tool?

    Perhaps this experiment will turn out to be a iDaft gimmick. In the article, it sounded as if Dunlop was desperate to distinguish themselves from their competitors and this bold step was the means by which they think they will achieve this.

    BTW, they are also supplying silicone weights for customization along with marked spots where to put them.

    Let us wait and see.
     
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  10. Fed Kennedy

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    Apart from the weird nanny customization strategy, the frames themselves look good.
     
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  11. JackB1

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    Am I the only one who thinks this isn't a big deal? So you pick your color? OK. You can pick your length. OK. And you can choose your dampening level. So? If the racquet itself isn't better than other competing frames like the PD, APD, Warrior, Extreme, Instinct or others, why would you pick the Dunlop?
     
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  12. Fed Kennedy

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    Because you can make it softer
     
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    Well, I don't see anyone using the 2.0s or 3.0s at my club either, but I'm one of the only people using a Dunlop of any flavor, 200G XLs in my case. Babs, Wilsons and Heads dominate. I like that I could have a 27.5 inch stick, like my XLs, but I'm disappointed that they don't offer anything close to the RA 56 my sticks have. I won't buy another Dunlop until they offer something with some flex.
     
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  14. MikeHitsHard93

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    Because it's not the norm. I'm intrigued because it's so unique. I've never been one to follow the herd.
     
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  16. Fed Kennedy

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    Let the hacking begin
     
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  17. sureshs

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    There are 432 combinations.
     
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    I think this a great concept for recreational players. I work for one of the few retailers that sell them. This one lady had demo'd the 100sq frame in a 4 1/4th. She ended purchasing the one off the wall. The next day she said the grip was too big. I simply just swapped the handle for a 4 1/8th and problem solved.
     
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    Yes, that would be quite useful but this idea would seem to work better if you have a good tennis centre nearby but sending things off to TW???



     
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    Strangely enough, Chris said he liked the red soft feel but I would have thought he might have chosen otherwise.

    I wonder if firm is too firm?
     
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  21. sureshs

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    But most players already know their grip size. Why would they keep experimenting? The rule of thumb is to perform the traditional tests: the measurement on the palm, or gap when holding the grip. The grip size is either that or one small size smaller. These days players often go one size smaller for more spin. You need to also figure that OG adds a half size. I don't think regular club players will be changing their grip sizes.
     
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  22. SpinToWin

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    Sorry, but that isn't anything new… Head and Volkl have had replaceable pallets for a while (even in different shapes)…
     
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    432 different possibilities--and not one that suits me.

    I guess I'll pass.
     
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  24. MikeHitsHard93

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    Looks like they've completely done away with their players frames.
     
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  25. kimguroo

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    it's great concept but in actual world, I don't think it will be popular.
    Donnay already did similar thing but did not do well.
    I feel Dunlop should offer less color options for this concept.
    just release a few colors to test market first then if there is good demand, they can expand this project instead of 3-4 colors of each frames.
     
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  26. hoodjem

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    Sorry, double-post.
     
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  27. hoodjem

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    Yes, agreed.
     
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  28. sportmac

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    what's the appeal?

    interesting idea but after looking at it closer i don't see it.

    you have 3 head sizes, 98/100/105 with 3 ra's, 67/68/69 and 4,4, and 2 head light.
    from that you can choose colors, grip size, standard or extra length and some "feel" with the shock sleeve.

    but you can't order different shock sleeves and replace them yourself.

    so you have no control over the flex, and weight and balance can be adjusted with weights like any other racquet. you can also buy a racquet with a size smaller grip and use overgrips to play around with different feels.
    that leaves us with length. can you replace the handle without the tool?

    unless i'm misreading this you have to decide, then once you buy it that's it, only customization is stuff you can do with any racquet.

    what am i missing?
     
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  29. Muppet

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    I just noticed that Dunlop is doing a couple of things to protect the possible lack of structural integrity in the neck. By making the racquet stiffer, there will be less movement in the seperate parts, so things will be less likely to come loose. Also, by giving the racquets balance points that are higher on the racquet, more of the shock will be dealt with in the hoop, thereby protecting the neck joint.

    So I doubt we will ever see this technology 'trickle up' into the player's models that are very headlight and more flexible in the throat. And for that matter, heavier. A heavier racquet absorbs shock for us. These lightweight racquets will most likely let us deal with the shock, like a PD.
     
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  30. JackB1

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    Nothing. I kinda feel the same way but I'm willing to see how this idea plays out.
    It would be really fun if you could get a couple different size heads, like a 100 and a 105 maybe for doubles and then get a couple different length handles and a few different feels in collars. You could then have lots of possibilities depending on your mood, opponent, match type, etc. THAT sounds appealing. But with Dunlop making this tool unavailable to the public, you basically have to make up your mind about your choices when u buy the racquet and go with that. Yes you can send it back or bring it in to swap parts, but the fact that I can't do it myself is really a turnoff. I am hoping the resourceful folks here on the forum will be able to crack the code with the tool and we'll be able to do it ourselves. It could be a racquetaholics dream if that happens. Especially since the specs are very appealing to me.
     
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  31. bluetrain4

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    So were the last two lines.

    I can't blame Dunlop for trying new things to boost sales, but it's been pretty underwhelming ever since the Aerogel D line.
    This is great for people who happen to like those specs and want to pick a color. But, from what I read, there's variance in length, head size, grip size, color, and firmness (flex/stiffness), but no variance in weight or swing weight? Is that right?
     
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    Dunlop should have had weighted buttcap options so the static weight could be customized. Still a great idea though.
     
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  34. sureshs

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    They are going to provide silicone weights to attach to the butt
     
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  35. sureshs

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    I think that summarizes it very well.
     
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  36. MikeHitsHard93

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    I disagree. I think they're directly marketing to get the babolat/head crowd to switch over by providing even more personalization. Personalizing and custom made to fit the customer is in right now. Releasing new versions of old frames is old.
     
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  37. sureshs

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    I love how TW's images for iDapt frames show only the head!

    In my mind, customization would be to supply all the heads, all the handles and all the dampeners in a kit for one price, and make it possible for the user to change it himself. It looks like current technology is not yet good to guarantee safety if the user puts it together. I can't imagine someone running to a dealer every 2 days to get something changed and forking up money each time.
     
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  39. tom4ny

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    Good article and honest in it's presentation. These new frames will appeal to those who want power with varying degrees of spin and control. They are a departure from the more control oriented nature of the current and past lines. Users can further tweak their frame of choice with safe weighting options, or still use lead tape.

    The tool is for dealer's only purely for warranty reasons. In the unlikely event that the frame does detach from the handle and it was the dealer who installed, it is covered. If it is done at home their is no way to ensure that it was properly connected. Purely a business decision.
     
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  40. JackB1

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    A friend of mine who works at a tennis shop said Dunlop doesn't want people having the tool themselves because its pretty easy to mess things up and overtighten or string the threads. He also said you could probably get a long allen wrench that fits and do it yourself, but you had better know how much to tighten. Apparantly these official tools make it impossible to overtighten. He also said if you try it yourself, you will void the warrantee.
     
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  41. MikeHitsHard93

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    I can't imagine it's any different than ove tightening a screw...just tighten it enough to be firm and snug, without stripping it out or boring too far in...

    I say let's go for it. I personally am really interested in this whole idea. I also think it would be a GREAT marketing scheme for small shop owners.
     
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    My local shop is getting them later this week. I will check things out. I am interested in the 105" model, with the 27.5" length.
     
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  43. Fed Kennedy

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    Get the pink one
     
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  44. JackB1

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    don't think so :)

    actually the cosmetics on the other sizes are much nicer.
    for the 105", I would probably get the black.
     
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    I've been looking to switch racquets lately and have tried pretty much everything in the spectrum. I'm a college player but am on the smaller side, so having a more powerful frame was something I was looking for. The racquet I had seemed to like the most so far was the Pure Drive. However, with the new models being released so soon, I had put that switch on hold. After hearing about the iDapt frames, I was immediately interested.

    I picked up an extended length 98 to demo with the soft shock sleeve. I've been plagued with a bad shoulder for the past few years, so I really liked the option to dampen the feel of a stiffer frame. Hit with the racquet recently and was blown away. I've been nothing but impressed. I might demo the 100 standard length tomorrow to compare and am very tempted to make the switch to these frames. As I rehab my shoulder, I can switch out the shock sleeves, or if I decide I want to use a different length, that can be done easily too. I'll be really interested to see how these racquets sell.
     
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  46. MikeHitsHard93

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    Sounds cool dude. Let me know what you think.
     
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  47. Fed Kennedy

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    did it feel like a pure drive?
     
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  48. ontherise

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    The 98 sort of felt like a slightly toned down Pure Drive. It felt more lively/powerful than a blade and a tad bit softer/less powerful than the pure drive. I would expect the 100 to feel very similar to a pure drive.
     
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  49. Fed Kennedy

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    98 sounds bomb
     
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    I am hoping to demo both the extended 98 and 100S versions.
     

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