Official TW December 2010 blind string playtest

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  1. Bud

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    I just received another set of string from TW. It's an opaque, pale green with lighter green (or possibly tan) strands running through it and appears to be a SG or MF. It also exhibits a pungent aroma.

    When will the stickied thread be up for the new string playtest? :)
     
  2. !<-_->!

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    Got the next playtest string today as well. Doesn't quite look green though. Overall it looks almost like a murky water kinda color deal. Probably the same string though and my guess is that it's some sort of syn. or multi as well.
     
  3. Bud

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    I strung mine up tonight and it's got quite a bit of stretch. I imagine the elasticity is quite high and it should be pretty comfortable and long-lasting.
     
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    We recently selected some Talk Tennis members to participate in a blind string test. We ask that those playtesters please post their feedback in this thread.

    Guidelines for your review:
    • Tension it is strung (please note if strung as hybrid or full set)
    • Your regular string set up
    • String pattern of your racquet
    • Power (or lack there of)
    • Feel
    • Tension maintenance (how long it holds its tension)
    • Overall comments and feedback
    Thanks,
    TW Staff
     
  5. Kenny022593

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    Bit scared to string this stuff! Looks menacing!
     
  6. mikeler

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    Yes, I've never seen a string that looks like it.
     
  7. Kenny022593

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    Yeah... It looks like a razor blade. Right?
     
  8. mikeler

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    Weird color and texture.
     
  9. bad_call

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    tastes like? get the geiger counter out and check for rads...
     
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  10. flashfire276

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    Here's my set! Thanks TW!

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    What is it?? Looks really weird.
    When I looked at the color, I could've sworn it was gut. But it felt like rigid and rough poly.
    Kinda soft for a poly too!
     
  11. tennisnoob3

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    looks like rope lol
     
  12. djNEiGht

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    You posted a picture...but it's a blind test. :p. Jk

    should be getting mine any day now.

    Fr the pic it looks like a multifilament or a Kevlar (or does Kevlar even look like that?)
     
  13. !<-_->!

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    Definitely doesn't smell like gut, though it does have a rather strong scent to it. A rather slick feeling as well. Really curious to string it up and give it a go. Unfortunately, it is raining quite heavily.
     
  14. themitchmann

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    I've been hitting with it for a couple of days. I like it so far.
     
  15. Bud

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    It's definitely not poly or kevlar. This stuff has the resiliency of a MF or gut. I had to ratchet my dropweight 12-13 times before it (finally) leveled out (stringing at 60#).
     
  16. Larrysümmers

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    what machine do you use bud?
     
  17. Bud

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    Ongoing playtest

    Will be editing this post on a regular basis throughout the playtest. Will then finalize at the conclusion.

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    Frame: APDGT 16x19
    Regular string: natural gut at 55-60#
    Tension of this string: 60#

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    String characteristics: Out of the package, exhibits a pungent odor and is slightly slick to the touch. String is very slightly textured (can feel the different weaves when running finger(s) along the string).

    Stringing: Very easy to string up. Little resistance when stringing crosses. Strings straighten very easily after stringing. String is very resilient... 12-13 ratchets on a dropweight machine prior to leveling/equilibrium.
     
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  18. Bud

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    Gamma X-2 dropweight :)
     
  19. scotus

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    I have not strung it up yet, but my first reaction upon opening the envelope was: "Wow, they sent me natural gut!"
     
  20. Tar Heel Tennis

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    i'm not one of the 'fortunate' ones to get to playtest their strings, but am wondering if this might be the Genesis Natural Gut that is receiving some buzz?
     
  21. rudester

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    Does not in appearance look anything like the genesis natural gut.
     
  22. !<-_->!

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    I doubt it's anything from Genesis since TW doesn't carry any Genesis products.
     
  23. Bud

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    That was my first reaction as well until I examined it closer :)

    I can't even see other filaments inside the string. It appears to be filled with something that is a bit rough and web-like or fibrous, when cutting. The lighter-colored strand is also highly visible in this pic as a separate entity.

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  24. themitchmann

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    I think gut would have been packaged better.

    I usually string my poly/multi hybrid at 58lbs.

    I strung this at 61 lbs and am happy with it so far.
     
  25. flashfire276

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    It's crazy! I mean, I never seen a string like this.

    BTW Bud! You using that super sweet custom APDGT of yours? Still want total details on that!
     
  26. scotus

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    I have cut about an inch off the end, exposed the inside and immersed it in water for a day.

    When I took a pair of needle-nosed pliers and pulled on the inside material, it separated into many different fibers.

    It is at least a multi. I think gut is still a possibility.
     
  27. flashfire276

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    I'm praying this stuff isn't a MF. I just can't play with strings that are too soft....

    Too bad it's kinda odd weather down here. Gotta wait until all the rain gets by so I can get a hit with it.
     
  28. Larrysümmers

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    nice. i use a Klippermate. so this may be fun stringing :)
     
  29. Bud

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    It's got a TON of stretch in it :shock:

    Have a pic of what you pulled out?
     
  30. film1

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    Where do sign up to demo the string?
     
  31. scotus

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    No, I am not as diligent as you.
     
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  32. nvottennis

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    They notify you.

    Can't wait to receive mine. If it's gut, its definitely worth a lot of my time. But either way, I'm thankful TW choose me too. Should be able to get at least 10 hrs in within the next 2 weeks. Hope its a good one!
     
  33. BreakPoint

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    That's GREAT to hear! Strings with a ton of elasticity are the only kind of strings that don't hurt my arm. Even a stiff multi like K-Gut Pro will kill my arm, so I'm apprehensive about using anything unless it stretches like crazy on my dropweight machine. So this is good news. :)
     
  34. djNEiGht

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    TW staff/admin contacted select users...and I'm thankful too!

    i don't string for myself and go to the local pro shop. I take it that I need to tell them to pre-stretch the string? go high tension?
     
  35. nvottennis

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    I would just do what you normally do when you play with multis or gut in that case. You wouldnt want to fudge the results with another variable.
     
  36. djNEiGht

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    gotcha (i think). so just tell them to treat it like a multi or gut when stringing.
     
  37. nvottennis

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    If thats what you normally do when you give them one of those, then sure. I personally try the strings with the least modifications possible( simply string it up at 60 lbs.). If I like it, then I start to perfect it like adjusting tension and asking for pre-stretch or such then.
     
  38. Bud

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    This string may feel mushy unless you string it fairly high (60#).
     
  39. djNEiGht

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    i've been at 60#s lately with my multi-filaments . thanks for the tip. i'll go 60#s with this too as to compare it to my x-1 at the same tension.
     
  40. Bud

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    More pics

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  41. Jonny S&V

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    I got the email, but I'm at college and the 'rents get the mail so I don't know if I've received it or not. Have to check with them soon, I'm intrigued... :)
     
  42. !<-_->!

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    Looking at it strung up in those pictures, it kind of reminds me of that old Prince string. DNA or Helix or something along those lines.
     
  43. ryushen21

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    This is definitely an interesting looking string. I'm a full poly user so it will be interesting to try out something on the opposite side of my usual spectrum. I'm gonna have to up the tension though.

    I'm thinking maybe 65.....
     
  44. nvottennis

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    Anyone try this yet?
     
  45. SteveI

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    TW December 2010 Blind String Playtest. Pic- SteveI

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    PlayTest Results: 7 Hours to date: Doubles, Singles, Singles Drilling & Serving to Targets:

    Tension it is strung : 60/58 Two Piece - Strung on Alpha 6-point dropweight with Flying Clamps
    Your regular string set up : 62/59 Head Rip Control 17 - Two Piece (Dunlop M-fil 400)
    String pattern of your racquet : 16 x 19

    Control:

    I feel the control with this string was directly related to the muted feel of this string. There was a disconnect for me when just trying to dial in for a standard rally shot. Because of the muted feel, I was unable to have good depth control. Feeback was poor and that caused me to under hit at times. Then adjusting a ball played short, I would overhit the next ball. Confidence was not high in this regard. Driving thur the ball on the FH and BH side seemed to produce better results. Producing topspin rally shots on both sides with good directional and depth control was an issue. Control rated below my normal string (Head Rip Control 17).

    Spin:

    I was getting better spin production from Head PPS Synthetic Gut (string in my other test Mfil- 400) than with the test string. This string does not really seem like it is designed to be a spin string from my impressions. Compared to TF X-1 Bi-Phase or Yonex 850 the test string was really lacking. While you could produce spin, it was clear that I was getting much better bite with the Head PPS Synthetic Gut. The test string really seemed to shine when hitting a flater, driven ball intended to be a winner. Inside-Out forehands could be crushed. Spin production rated well below my normal string (Head Rip Control 17).

    Feel:

    The string seems designed to play muted. Reminds me the Isospeed Control 16 (Old version). Never felt "connected" to the stringbed. Feedback was minimal. While the stringbed felt soft and the sweetspot alive, the test string did not pocket the ball very well. If it did, I could not feel it or experience better than below average dwell time. Drop shots and touch volleys as you might have guessed were a chore to produce and below average. Feel rated below my normal string (Head Rip Control 17).


    Power:

    The power level of this string was not high for a multi and right in line with Gosen OG 16 or Gosen ProForm Tuff 16, both syn guts on the stiffer side. I had more problems getting the ball deep into the court than I had with balls landing over the baseline. I had to really focus to reach up and extend to get good net clearence with this string. It was not a rocket-launcher off the ground or on serves. I was swinging a bit harder to try to produce normal serve speed on flat servers and faster to try to produce more spin on spin related serves. Power generation rated below my normal string (Head Rip Control 17).


    Durability: After 7 hours of heavy hitting, string didn't experience any fraying that I could tell but it should be noted I am only a moderate spin player. Head Rip Control 17 does not last much longer than 5-6 hours for me. String movement was minimal and straightening was quite easy. I was playing on a fast indoor (very dry) hard court for the entire playtest. A spin player on a damp clay court might experience much less durability. I will continue to play this string and report back with a breakage time or "cut-out" point when the string proves to be unplayable. Durability seems to be rated better than my normal string (Head Rip Control 17).


    Tension Maintenance: After a hour or so of drilling the test string seemed to soften up a bit and remain constant for the remainer of the testing. The stringbed still seems quite firm and string movement is not yet a big issue. I do not have a string-0-meter or other device, but the playing chacteristics have not seemed to have changed much over the 7 hours. Tension Maintenance seems to be in line with my normal string (Head Rip Control 17).

    Final Thoughts:

    This is a unique multifilament string. Might be a good string to use a cross in a natural gut hybrid or other more power-based multi. This string might be best utilized by players that bash from the baseline and do not depend much on feel. Since the string was quite muted, it seems to provide nice comfort and arm/shoulder/wrist protection. This test string might not be a great match for S & V and all court players due to it's lack of feel and overall muted response. Thanks TW... Enjoyed the chance to part of this and other playtests!!
     
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  46. SteveI

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    Bud,

    I found that it had very little play or stretch when I strung it up. The string appears to some sort of multi.. construction/feel something like IsoSpeed Professional (original). I posted a pic. I will add all details and insights to that post. I string it 2 piece @ 60/58. Constant Pull
     
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  47. SteveI

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    Hi,

    Played that string DNA Helix.. sort of looks like it.. but the feel and other attributes seem different. I loved the Prince DNA Helix.. BTW
     
  48. !<-_->!

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    SteveI, your post about its resemblance to the Isospeed string also reminds me of it. However, I found that a pain to pull the crosses. I assume this string was easier?
     
  49. JRstriker12

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    Need to check my mail today. Happy to hear it might be a Multi or a gut. I'm dropping my poly habit.
     
  50. mikeler

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    I told TW I'd volunteer if the string was soft, so the multi assumption I think is valid.
     

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