(Official) Wilson Sting Fanclub

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  1. plasma

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    The Wislon Sting Midsize is awesome. I decided to "walk off" the rat-race and hit today for the first time in months. I took out a ps 85 China and immediately regretted not having a loosely strung St. Vincent in my bag.

    Like the txe which was also in my bag the china was too stiff to hit the ball with its' own weight. I would have to grip them tightly just to hit a soft loose shot. I needed something more forgiving and with more dwell time and flex to cup the ball.
    I dipped into my bag and found a Sting Midsize.

    It felt more flexible than the ps 85 but still crisp. It seemed to come together on shots in a different way. The composition felt more like a head edge. The thinner beam allowed me to fully express my Sampras-like strokes with fluidity and cut through with the racquet using angles not attainable with the ps 85. The inverted stabilizer bar sounds like Ray Robinson exhaling as he goes to the body: a whizzing whistle that signals that this porsche of a racquet is about to make love to the ball, marry the point, and give birth to tactical and technical possibilities which express the very profound powerful yet friendly harmonies of my sun- soaked world.
    Not only that, short balls which required shots that the ps 85 was incapable of were swimming off of my strings. I felt I could hospitalize my opponent at will when he was at net. I felt like Anders Jarryd on passing shots and produced some uncharacteristic inspired brilliance which spilled over into the rest of by beautiful day.
    One last thing, ps 85 sucks **** for spin potential. Sting has modern spin potential which lets you hop baseline groundies with topspin, at will. Also I always feel like my balls go a few inches long with the PS 85, with the Sting mid they miraculously drop in.
    I'm no expert on anything, but I do have a wee bit of expertise in play-testing ps 85's, owning about 20 en toto. I've tried almost every version; from the 7.0 85, to the stars and stripes 85, six "Saint"'s, ten china's, and four Taiwan's.
    Like looking for love, I have been looking for a Wilson Ceramic or some such other lower end 85 which could outperform the ps 85. I have finally found one. Next mission is to get a matched pair of Sting Mids (both with ps 85 and without) in 3/8 and some sting 2's. I honestly feel like I'm in love again...
     
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    Hey Plaz,

    You've come to the right place, old friend. The whole reason I started collecting racquets was because I cracked my favorite old Sting and started looking for used ones to buy online. Now I've got lots of racquets, and lots of Stings, including multiple mids of the original blue and silver, the Sting 2 and the SC2000, which is the ceramic version. Like these guys here. Ignore the largeheads in the photo -- I know they're not your style.

    Perhaps we could make a deal, just like the old days of a couple months ago. I'm sure you still have my email address, so send me a note if you're interested in a swap.



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  3. TnTBigman

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    Wow. I remember those racquets. Top local players I looked up to as a junior played with those bad boys back in the day. The blue was was very popular.
     
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    Reserving space for my Sting SC (Silicon Carbide) picture ...
     
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  5. plasma

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    I meant what I said literally, not metaphorically. Even seeing the pictures of the Stings is the feeling of being in love. 20 years ago when I lost my Virginity with a really hot Blonde South African girl I felt love.
    Since then I have felt love but only after long periods of getting to trust the woman. And the love seemed more like the love for my parents, heritage or spirituality. Not that giddy exciting new teenage love feeling.
    I have found that feeling again with the sight or thought of the Stings (seriously, not being poetic at all). Only problem is, the South African girl was a model, my last gf could have been as well. If the Sting was a girl she'd be a bucktooth snorting ...well you get the picture.
    Who cares what others think though. I obviously am excited at the world of playability it offers me.
    I'll trade Jimbo, but the grip has to be 3/8, I want it to feel perfect, just like the blonde South African girl...
     
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  6. jimbo333

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    It was schu47 not me!!!
     
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  7. schu47

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    Jimbo's right, Plaz. It's me. How could you possibly get us mixed up? :)

    I've got a few Stings and Sting 2s, but, unfortunately, none in 4 3/8. But I do have a beauty of an SC2000 in a 4 3/8. I don't have any specs on these racquets, and would love to know the differences or similarities among them, but the SC2000 certainly doesn't feel as stiff as the Sting.

    I did just get another really interesting version of the Sting. Here is my SC2000, and a very close relative called the Tour Select SC. The SC2000s are fairly hard to find, but I'd never seen a Tour Select until getting this one. They seem virtually identical, but the Tour Select feels just a tad heavier, perhaps with a little more swing weight, than the SC2000. Although it's hard to tell from the photos, it also has a bit of a silver tint to it, whereas the SC2000 is white. But I am a big fan of Stings, and so it was a special treat to find this one. It's really gorgeous.

    Maybe someone out there knows more about the Wilsons of this era than I do, but it occurs to me that the Tour Select might have been designed for players on the tour -- the name Pro Select at least implies that.

    I'm not sure if either of these is your blonde South African girl, Plaz, but I'll bet they're pretty close.

    Anyone else have a Tour Select and know anything about it? I haven't had a chance to hit with it yet.

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  8. plasma

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    I think these are my blonde south african twins. Just found a guy who can shave grips as well so the party is on. I am looking for that st. vincent's flex. My China's are too stiff. How do these play compared to the St.Vincent? I have to string my st vincent almost too loosely to get the desired flex and might go back to the anachronistic cosmetics and amazing playability of the sting midsize with pws.
    I don't like mushball frames, but if you ever saw me play you'd say "(expletive, expletive) that (eplective) kid can (expletive) play tennis". And indeed I can. I've moved on from the smoking yummy blonde South African baby doll to a petite Phillipina; but still wish my racquet-life was more settled.
    This tour select duo deserves a test drive. The graphics remind me of totem art. The beam looks like the stars and stripes which is a superb frame, but again a bit stiff for my working class arm.
    These could be be my blonde south african twins, never hit with two racquets at once...know what I mean???
     
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  9. alexcaughman

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    Hey schu, if you have any sting mid variants in 4 1/2, I am interested :)

    PS a half year ago some redneck at goodwill beat me to a sting 2 mid :(
     
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    Alex, email me at schu11@charter.net. I've got a few.
     
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  11. plasma

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    any sting standard holders in any gripsize contact the Plaz immediately. In the spirit of Hassan Isabbah I offer several virgins and some really great morrocan hash brownies.
    What I love about the sting with pws is the response off the stringbed. So busy that my daily tennis routine has dwindeled to a day or two a month at most. I look forward to playing with my Sting as if it were sex with my petite phillipina girlfreind (honestly). The sting mid is Alamut, paradise, Mecca, disneyland, Kournikova's Kornikova, the kingdom of heaven awaits my brothers, grab your sting midsize and use an Eastern or Continental grip as our bible tells us, walk in the way of humble wisdom my brothers, pay the sting rate (the thrift store rate).

    85 square inches, 72 virgins and three Dunlop Hardcourt Championship balls, a thousand wives, a hundred racquets, 12 tribes with 20% kevlar, seven golden stars of seven midsize angels.
    I know the blasphemy of those who say they are players racquets but are not. And so my Lord ordained the poor man to feel a heavenly racquet like the gentle cool vessel of a potter as his wicked rich brethren was made to play with a sweatshopped rod of iron.
    And because the poor child kept his honest feeling the Lord prevented him from the temptation of Satans develish sweatshopped pj.
    And he opened a door for this child to see four racquets, a wilson, a prince, a head and a kneissl. And god spoke unto the son of man and said what racquets are in heaven are also in earth and under the earth.
    And then an emerald elite pro throne manifested,,,
    And the lord spoke one last time to the son of man before his final return.
    I shall make you rich and free my son," the lord said" but I will make a small really dorky looking inverted throat stabilizer that you may never forget that it is your insecurity, your humbleness, the imperfect you which is so perfect to me was part of your road to Shalom Alechum.
    The son of man ate the racquet of the Lord which became honey and a vision of smoke and suffering poured into his conciousness. It was the slaves of Egypt, the jews, only their skin was even a touch more from the sun, and their eyes were squinted from the sun.
    The new people of God, made to suffer for the Pharoh. 12 hours of inlaid midplus graphite 97 square inches, with no days off, ever.
    a trumpet sounded, it was my alarm clock. For a split second the numbers look like hebrew letters. I fall out of love and back in love with the world as my dreams and the warm comfort dissolves.
     
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  12. alexcaughman

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    Plaz I love reading your extra long posts regarding how wonderful your life is, it is almost as if I am living the very tales being told. It brings me back to a day in my youth, a journey across the Strait of Gibraltar to the land of Morocco. Ahh the days of my youth, refreshing like the spring breeze.
     
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  13. Ajtat411

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    schu47, do you know the specification on the Sting Midsize 85, the one on the far right of the first photo you posted?

    I'm looking for weight, SW, balance, flex.
     
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    Ajtat,

    Here are some figures I found in an old TW thread. Not sure how accurate they are. For one thing, they had the head size listed at 90 sq. in. (which I changed, because the Sting is 85 sq. in.). So take it for what it's worth. But it does seem in the ballpark, at least.


    Head Size: 85 sq. in.
    Length: 27 inches
    Strung Weight: 12.6oz
    Balance: 7pts Head Light
    Swingweight: 326
    Stiffness: 61
    Beam Width: Straight Beam
    Composition: 100 % Graphite
    Power Level: Low
    Swing Speed: Fast
    Grip Type: Leather
    String Pattern: 16 Mains / 18 Crosses

    By the way, I was at the local courts last week and saw an older man (70-75, I'd say), very fit, using a Dunlop Black Max, another quality old graphite that is similar to the Sting. He was pure with that old quality graphite beauty, just popping every stroke -- looked like he could have beaten a lot of younger players without working up much of a sweat. It was nice to see.
     
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  16. Ajtat411

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    Thanks bud.
     
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  17. Ajtat411

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    I'm gonna take some measurements on the racket to see how close it is. Trying to match figure out what I like hitting with. The Sting is a solid racket, feels sorta like the KTour 90.
     
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  18. Bengt

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    I recall from my youth having a Sting which was 50% Graphite and 50% Fiberglass. Did I dream this or is that how they were made?
     
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    MIne says 100% graphite
     
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  21. pshulam

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    You were dreaming.

    The Wilson Matrix is probably 40/60 (fiberglass/graphite).
     
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  22. Superman1272

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    Well, sign me up, I guess.

    I just got through playing a tournament this past weekend and used my old Wilson Sting Midsize (non-PWS) racquet in the finals. I was a great experience winning with that racquet!

    I have three non-PWS midsize racquets and two PWS Midsize versions.

    I have decided that I will play with these racquets EXCLUSIVELY for the next 6 months or so and then (and only then) will I venture out into the worlld of new raquets.

    I feel that playing with these racquets makes you a better player than just swinging wildly and letting the 100+ sq in head do the work. Makes you really concetrate on the ball and your technique.

    I am really looking forward to playing around with strings and a little customizing here and there.
     
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  23. plasma

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    I'm out, that's right the founder is quitting...moving on...moving back to the ps 85. You guys with the whippy sting are brave. I could only use it well against a 5.5+ power hitter, when the whippiness ko'ed those musclechimps like a ko counterpunch.
    I will use the Sting against a buddy named Sean though, He makes a lot of money and is very inside the box. Looks his age unlike me, although we are the same age. Has more annoying criticisms than matched racquets in his bag, and he has plenty of both ...He used to use a sting as a kid and actually almost screamed at me for beating him with it, as he used to hate it. Beating someone with a vintage racquet is like beating someone with your intelligence, uniqueness and spirit....
    like in boxing when you wear white shorts into the ring, or wear your belt on your waist on not your shoulder before the fight, or just fight a guy with both your hands down... a total psyche job...an emotional win. When I win with a ps 85 or sting I am beating the spirit of greed, conformism, and consumerism. Ok so I'm not quitting our club since everyone here rocks, just stepping down as Sting Fanclub chairperson to do some more grassroots work.
    The sting Fanclub is the largest professional organization of it's kind...See us online at tw forum dot com slash Official sting Fanclub...
    this is where we need a LOGO people!!!
     
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  24. pshulam

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    Who will take over your role as chairman of the Sting club?
     
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    Could you post a picture of it? I can't figure out which Sting version has 100% graphite in it. I have one without the bridge inside the throat and it's almost perfect like PS 85 mold and it says .....

    "100% graphite reinforced epoxy resin composite" on it.

    The butt code is FW, Made in Taiwan, white W on black.
     
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  26. pshulam

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    That's the NOT same as 100% graphite as no racket is made of pure graphite material. 100%, in this context, means that it does not contain other materials such as fiberglass, ceramic, or Kelvar.
     
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  27. Tennis Man

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    What I meant is that I stayed away from Sting altogether b/c I thought they were all "composite" frames (with fiberglass or silicone carbide?). I didn't even pick one up at a thrift shop b/c I saw fiberglass sticking out on the top.

    The one I have is non-PWS midsize version and I have no idea if there are more of them 100% graphite.

    Are they pre-PS 85 production or concurrent? When are they made?
     
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    ^sorry about the misinterpretation. I have both versions. They both indicate "Mid size Graphite" on top of the handle. I am not sure that means 100% graphite.
     
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  29. Tennis Man

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    here's a picture of mine:

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    Both of my rackets do not have any text on the side. Instead of saying "Sting Midsize", it shows "Midsize (first line) Graphite (second line)".
     
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  31. FedererClone

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    How does the Sting with the throat bridge compare to the version w/out throat bridge? Thx...
     
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  32. FedererClone

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    FYI Wilson came out with the "Graphite Matrix" in two versions, with and w/out PWS and the "Pro Matrix."

    The Graphite Matrix was first described in "Stringer's Assistant" October 1985 as 15% Graphite / 85% Fiberglass composite. Specs - 85 sq in, about 12.5 oz, medium flex, 55-65 tension, head light balance. The original model did not have PWS, it was added later.

    I also have the "Pro Matrix" that actually feels like a brick. It is a thin beamed 16/18 in 85 size that feels great in your hands, but on the court it is difficult to maneuver. Feels very stiff, but unfortunately have no specs... is this the frame of which you refer to as 40/60? Not sure if this one came out w/ PWS later or not?
     
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  33. Don S

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    Just out of Curiousity, where were the Blue stings made? Are they St. Vincent racquets?
     
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    I believe Taiwan... I've yet to run across a SV Sting :)
     
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    No, I was referring to the black Graphite Matrix 85, which you said that its composition is mostly fiberglass.
     
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  36. Don't Let It Bounce

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    The blue/blue 110 and blue/grey 85 Stings were always 100% graphite. Wilson introduced them to compete against the Prince Graphite, by offering 100% graphite, a similar design (crossbar, etc), and retailing for US$100 less. They used to run what I thought were really effective ads in Tennis magazine showing a Sting + a $100 bill vs a nondescript racquet that was obviously a Prince Graphite!
     
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  37. MAXXply

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    Hey fellow old-skoolers, any info would be appreciated for my particular Sting 2:
    It's a "Sting 2" midsize 85 *with* PWS - I mention this because my initial search seemed to indicate this was one of the rarer (or lesser?) iterations? Same black/blue/grey PJ, markings seem no different to other Sting 85s
    Butt code is GUS - where is this?

    Can anyone shed light on my version? Also, which Sting version did Stefan Edberg use pre-PS85 ? Thanks for any info.
     
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    "GUS" is a China code.
     
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  39. Don't Let It Bounce

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    The Sting 2 Mid I remember came out in the U.S. in late '85 or early '86 and had red/grey markings on black. Perhaps yours was put out in another market?
     
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    Here's mine: any ideas about this one? As I mentioned above, it looks no different to the usual Stings...

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    What % graphite is it:)
     
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  42. FedererClone

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    Been hitting a lot w/ the Sting SC with no stabilizer when I don;t "feel" it on my main Reflex frame. It is a great, solid frame. Anyone know the history of the non-stabilizer Sting SC?

    http://gallery.me.com/fastlens#100351
     
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    sign me up,
     
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    ...I noticed most of you refer to the midsize versions of the Wilson Sting;
    does that mean that this standard version (I hadn't seen before) was less...common? Or short lived?

    Anyone could tell me if it was maybe the very first one?
    And in which period (year) it came to the market?

    (...long after the first Ultra version? Sorry for the many questions....!)


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  46. borg number one

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    Very nice frame! I used to play with it as a junior (1983). I was fortunate, as I used to get some of these free from Wilson as a junior, after getting Head Vectors, and before playing with the Wilson Pro Staff. Ritton07, I played with the mid-size version, identical to the one above. It seemed to be a more popular frame among serious players than the oversized version.

    So, the Sting came out in about 1983 if I'm not mistaken, while the Wilson Ultra was out earlier, perhaps in 1981 or so.

    Memories...Thank you for the reminder.
     
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    ...thanks, borg number one, for ..."placing" these models in the right years :)

    (as I previously wrote, I had never seen before that standard - little - oval Sting, before finding it on that 80s-tennis site...)
     
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    IT'S A SAD DAY FOR ME TODAY... :(

    I sold three of Wilson Stings (the ones I posted pics of above) today on the 'bay. I still have two of the midsize Stings with the PWS, though. I think I will hang on to them... At least until I have to feed my addiction to Wilson Pro Staff 6.0's...

    (1) Chicago
    (1) St. Vincent
    (2) Taiwan

    I need to find a couple of China made ones, I guess. Can't have an incomplete collection!

    Man, If my wife heard me say that she would roll her eyes and just shake her head.

    I'M SORRY, BABY! I HAVE AN ADDICTION!!! I NEED HELP!
     
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    dont worry... i told her ;)
     
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