OHBH Counterpuncher?

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  1. Jeffrey573639

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    Obviously a one hander is a lot less stable than the two hander and is therefore not as conductive to defensive play but irregardless of that- has there ever been a OHBH player who was without a doubt a counterpuncher?
     
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    I've seen federer :mad: be a counter-puncher. :p
     
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    Gasquet?

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    Not sure if this was meant as a troll, but it's true. All of the top players can play a different role depending on who they're playing. Fed looks like a grinder when he plays someone like Tsonga, and an attacker when he plays someone like Nadal. Djoker has a reputation of grinding against the likes of Fed, but is a pretty stiff attacker against the likes of Ferrer.

    So yeah, Fed's a good answer as a OHBH counterpuncher... sometimes.
     
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    First of all, it's false that you can't play defensive tennis with a 1HBH. There are many 1HBH players that only slice their backhands, so I'd say that's pretty defensive.

    Second of all, "irregardless" is not a word.
     
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    not sure about the meaning of counter-puncher...

    if you mean defensive baseliners... then what about muster, costa, corretja, etc. ?
     
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    Agree, infact, the 1H BH might be the better defensive shot; More reach and on the ROS it's more of a block back return (unless you have time to take a full swing).


    Being defensive and slicing are completely different. Defence is not just about the type of ball you hit, but from where you are etc. There are some players who slice but don't slice just to keep them in the rally; Fernando Gonzalez would rarely be in a defensive position on the court/in the point yet would slice the majority of the time on the BH wing even if he was taking up an aggressive position on the court - I'd call this conservative.
     
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    Hmm it might just be me, but it would almost seem like One Handed backhanders are never grinders, pushers, counter-punchers, given that all offensive players grind from time to time, but thats just tennis for you, not all players can play like Lukas Rosol (5th set against Rafa, Wimby 12')

    Lets see, we have, Stanislas Wawrinka, He's definitely an offensive baseliner, this fact would have been consolidated after his match after Djokovic

    Gasquet, when he really wants to he can smack a ridiculous amount of winner of his backhand

    I've seen matches where Phillip Kohlschrieber has hit up to 30 backhand winners

    Federer is definitely a rather offensive player, he takes it to his opponents, or used to anyways

    Almagro - Not a grinder at all
     
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    I'll just name some clay courters not already mentioned and hope to get lucky. If anyone knows about their playing styles, I'd like to hear it.

    Carla Navarro
    Gil Garcia-Lopez
    Fran Schiavone
    Tommy Robredo
    Conchita Martinez
    Alberto Berasategui
     
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    Counterpuncher might need to be defined:

    If you mean somebody who can rally from the back & wait for their chance to move forward/punch through someone then Ilie Nastase was a classic counterpuncher.:)

    He could move forwards, sideways, back & then in again & finish.
    He punched well above his weight(pardon the pun) & I never knew what he was going to do next...neither did the guys he was playing.

    Ok, I know a bit old...:oops:

    In 2013 it is much harder to do this with the spin & speed...Jeremy Chardy also hits 2 handed BH but when he is "lurking", changing the pace so he can throw himself forward (counterpunching?), then he is maybe a candidate with his one handed back hand slice?

    I would argue that he is certainly counterpunching when he is slicing & moving forward, what do you all think?

    certainly JC is a player with potential to mix things up.
    If he fixes his service toss, gets it at 12 o'clock then his back will say thank you:)

    Not only that, he is somebody who can challenge deeper at all the slams and be a danger to everyone.
     
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  12. ShoeShiner

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    The MAIN ingredients to be a good counter-puncher are not strokes.
    It is the OPPONENT/SHOT READING.
    Always AVOID to be in the situations that you can not punch back.
     
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    Actually Fran Schiavone & maybe Tommy R are two good examples of OHBH counterpunchers.

    Francesca is the better one, saw her play WTA live last year on grass & is definitely somebody who is looking to hit through with her OHBH but also
    punch forwards with slice & finish.
    She certainly plays a "heavy" game for her size but sadly a bit out of form.
    Her RG win was definitely her biggest.

    Tommy R. is a bit the same. certainly happier on the clay, saw him win Hamburg using a similar counterpunching style.

    Martinez yes...and back further in the years: Gabi Sabatini.
     
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    Albert Montanes.
    Gasquet these days would probably be classified as a counterpuncher as well. I miss his playstyle when he was younger but he got back to the top 10 play 10 ft behind the baseline so he knows what he's doing I guess.
     
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    Talking of Tommy Robredo, where is he? Retired?
     
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    flavio cippolla is the counterpuncher of all counterpunchers
     
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    ^^ This. The guy's backhand, single handed, is worth studying for anyone who thinks that it is weaker than a two handed stroke.

    You should check out his rallies with Nadal going toe-to-toe with him Nadal's forehand to Gasquet's backhand, trading topspin shots each player several meters behind the baseline.... looks almost like table tennis.

    I'm not sure if he should be classified as a counter puncher as he can be very aggressive from far behind the baseline, especially with his backhand strokes.
     
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  19. byealmeens

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    How about Bjorn Phau? He's 5'-9" I believe, pretty quick ... great defense, but not much fire-power.
     
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  20. raging

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    Bjorn is a great example, very quick & again pound for pound punches above his weight. Very good counterpuncher=his speed made/makes him dangerous.
    His transitions/turnarounds were very quick.
    Hope he is still moving that fast...?
     
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