Ok, I did it, I finally hit with a Vantage

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  1. LafayetteHitter

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    Ok, after months of reading all these posts about Vantage I did it, worked a trade for a 90" Vantage in black with tan leather grip 16X18 string pattern, 11.7 weight with the most headlight available specs. Right out the box I would say it's superb build quality really did impress me and the black finish with a black overgrip looks as if the team that designed the stealth bomber would've designed this as well, it's the first MEAN looking racquet i've seen. Now for the playing side of it, I only hit a few serves with it and some fed ground strokes along with some volleys but I am quite impressed. It played way way better than I think was expected. I'll update this after i've put some matches on it but so far I really like it.

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  2. lookitstrevor

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    I think a white overgrip would be pretty sweet. good luck in your matches.
     
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  3. MTChong

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    Oh, it's nice that you tried one out. I thought you were leaving the boards? If you're returning, welcome back, and if you never did, excuse my ignorance. Anyways, I'm thinking of getting a 90" Vantage too with pretty much the same specs as yourself but only 10 pts HL. I look forward to a more comprehensive review from you! Thanks for the brief overview.
     
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  4. BreakPoint

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    Sounds like the same specs as my Vantage 90. Yes, please give us a more extensive review once you played with it more. Mine is pretty sweet IMO.
     
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  5. LafayetteHitter

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    I hit with it for a while longer tonight. First off let me say this, it hits SOLID and I had no problem generating pace on groundstrokes. Second thing to add is this racquet seems to have the largest sweetspot I have found on a 90" racquet. Aside from simply framing a ball the stringbed is very generous. Before using this racquet I had used the RDX500 mid for quite some time last year and found it to have a large sweetspot but even it cannot compare with the Vantage. And it is quite fun to be out on the court wielding this jet black sword with people wondering what it is. I had two people ask what the racquet was. Net play was all that I could've expected with it's 90" head and the shots went right where I wanted them to on the majority of points. These racquets do what they are supposed to do and do it well. Serving is the highlight of the stick, I was at the courts earlier today as well with another board member from here that also mentioned that they loved the serves with this stick. They are a RDX500 MP user and he hardly believe it was a 90" frame. You know there are a group of great racquets out there and from this I have learned that Vantage is now one of them, for some of us at least. More later...

    Scott
     
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  6. Rory G

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    I have pretty much demo'd everything in sight during the past couple of years. I settled on the LM Prestige MP and loved it. A little too "mushy" and sometimes low on power, but a great feeling racquet with unbelievable control. I tried a Vantage frame on a whim and really enjoyed it. Played with a demo for a couple of weeks and decided to order one more to my specs. I will never look back. Great quality frame with a solid, crisp feel yet with a great 63 flex. Great pop and maneuverability. I went with a 27.25 length, 16 x 19 pattern, 100" head (great for my 2H backhand), approx. 11.8oz strung with overgrip and dampener). The stick plays like a dream. The spin of a Yonex MP 5, but with the control of my trusted old Prestige. I hope that TW works out a deal with Vantage because IMO they are the makers of a real classic frame.
     
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  7. LafayetteHitter

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    Well I have now put quite a few matches behind me with the Vantage and continue to realize I finally settled on the right frame. Everyone is different and each person will find a frame that is just right for them it took a while for me to realize what I needed to use and luckily it came from a trade on a whim for this Vantage. I've heard numerous people mention the service and I must say I was impressed. I asked for quite a bit and they came through with each request. First off i'm a lefty and I realized while ordering I was going to have to rip off the leather grip and swap it to wrap it for a lefty. Well I e-mailed that as a request as well and they have reverse wrapped my black leather grips. I also really like the black one I have already but thought it would be cool to have an identical racquet in white so they let me mix colors on my package deal that was a nice touch as well. All in all I am just happy that I have hit with almost everything available and found something that suits my game. The Estusa was a close second but the bump in power with the Vantage while still having the control I desired along with excellent net play sold me on the Vantage racquet. So with that said for everyone that is hitting with different racquets trying everything, continue the search because there is a great racquet out there for each of us.
     
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  8. GuyPerez

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    Glad you like it. I have been hitting with mine for 5 months now and love it still. Just completed my USTA season at 10 - 1 #1 singles (my first year since being bumped to 4.0.) Going with a heavier frame has really helped my game. I may be bumped to 4.5 and look forward to taking my Vantage frames with me! (spec 3,2,1,2,10)
     
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  9. eLterrible

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    I was thinking of getting a Vantage, but after looking at all of the customization options, it turned out like a racquet almost exactly like a 300g or a very light pro#1, so i just decided to buy the sticks instead of a vantage to save the $$, when i get advance ill probably consider vantage tho.
     
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    Where in Virginia are you? I am in Midlothian, near Richmond. I used to play with the 300G.
     
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    I live in alexandria, way north, next to DC.
     
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    I agree the 90" are exellent frames, fairly powerful and fairly large sweetspot... VERY solid to hit with and feel great.

    I started with a 90" and moved to a 95", mostly because I am use to hitting with 18x20 strings... but I did like the 90".
     
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  13. timmyboy

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    How much bigger is the sweetspot than the RDX 500 mid?
     
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    Anytime someone talks about a large sweetspot, I always want to know what strings they were hitting with. I've found that string type and tension can make a huge difference in the perceived sweetspot. I hit with an nCode 90" with some prince synthetic gut that was strung loose, and I don't think you could miss the sweetspot and still hit string. However, when stringing tighter the sweetspot would move noticeably to the lower portion of the head.
     
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  15. BDAZ

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    just curious what most people would compare the vantage rackets to in terms of how they feel. does it feel like prestige, 200G, pro staff, pog, etc...?
     
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  16. LafayetteHitter

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    Well as far as the sweetspot, I am using the Vantage 90" racquet with unique code 1 1 1 1 13 and I have found it to have a very nice sized sweetspot. I played quite a bit with the RDX 500 mid last year and it is definately in the same category as far as the stringbed goes. I would say it's quite a bit more solid cutting through the ball compared to the RDX 500 as well but others may not find the same results. I have only hit with the racquet strung with the Vantage string and also Sensation 17g but will string one of mine with a gut hybrid this week. I find occasionally on serves if you strike the ball in the upper hoop area of the stringbed it will have just a bit of harshness to it but I strike the ball well so it's not a problem and gut will be an experiment to see if it helps this. There are a bunch of good racquets available and the Vantage happens to be one of them and it does everything well for me. It's definately for people that know what they want in a racquet and have particular specs that work for them, from there you have to try the racquet and see if the feel is for you. I am not sure if it could be compared to the Prestige classic per say as the Prestige has a unique feel. I have not hit with the 200g enough to compare it well. I have found my racquet to be very solid on impact and the frame seems to crave heavy balls coming from my opponents. It is a powerful racquet for a 90" frame with such headlight specs so that is something to keep in mind for someone hoping for a lower powered frame. Just a little update....
     
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  17. BLiND

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    Yeah pretty much what lafa says... its hard to compaire, its got its own feel. Compaired to RDX its stiffer in the throwt, but flexier in the head. Not played with the Dunlop though.
     
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  18. stevewcosta

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    Is this 90 sq. in Vantage at 11.7 unstrung,63 flex, 9 pt. HL, 16X18 really solid or does it have the hollow feel many frames have? For example, I find the RDX Mid too light & hollow/lacking feel, operative word here is "I". Thanks.
     
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  19. LafayetteHitter

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    Well my racquet is the 12pts headlight spec. I would venture to say there is nothing hollow about this racquet and it's about as far from tinny as you can get. I play with no dampener and it takes a solid slice through the ball reminding me of my Prestige classic. It has the feel of a classic/old school racquet imo. Let me add this as well, my stringer who has played for 25 years and has used the PS85 forever switched to the Ncode 90 last year. I brought him the Vantage to be strung and when he held it he said "this is how a racquet is supposed to feel, it just feels right" then asked "after I string it can I hit with it" which he has never asked me about any of my racquets before. After playing a match and giving a lesson with my racquet he called and asked for more info on it and actually decided to make the switch which surprised me quite a bit. So I guess this particular racquet will appeal to some of the players using these mid sized racquets which is a limited group so it's nice to have an additional choice in this range.
     
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  20. stevewcosta

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    Thanks LafayetteHitter. Sounds awesome. Is the demo process easy? anyone tried to demo these? Thanks.
     
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  21. BHud

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    The demo process is actually a generous refund policy. Given that each type of Vantage has its own range of unique specs, it would be hard to have a demo program for all the models.

    From experience, I can say that they process returns promptly, but you will have to pay shipping and accept an amount less than what you originally paid for it depending on its condition.
     
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  22. LafayetteHitter

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    When I ordered my racquets I found out that there will be something interesting happening very soon for the company that will help the users like us from the US.
     
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  23. Ruuzo

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    well...don't keep us in suspense! what is happening?
     
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  24. NoBadMojo

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    how dramatic Lafayette !
     
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  25. Rory G

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    I believe that distribution will be available in US. Helps with shipping costs at a minimum.
     
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    I did not realize it had been announced yet. But yes it looks like there will be a US source now. Maybe TW will work out a deal as well, it would be nice to order my Vantage overgrips, grips, grommets etc from TW.
     
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  27. MTChong

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    Wow, that would be cool in case I decide to buy some more. The 90s I got are nice, but I haven't hit enough with them yet so I'll write a review soon. They seem rather low powered though, or maybe it's the strings.
     
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  28. BreakPoint

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    It wouldn't surprise me if Vantage was able to work out some sort of distribution deal with TW. ;)
     
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    I've been using the the Vantage 321203 with 100 sq. in. with RA 63, strung with Lux Alu-Power for the last 6 months. Very nice control and serving racquet.

    Two weeks ago, I ordered my second Vantage racquet. The 322206 vantage racquet with 100 sq. in. and RA 70. My new vantage racquet have more pop, above average control and with very nice serving racquet as well. With RA 70 i did not notice any elbow problem.

    In my second time order, I include the 6 pack Vantage tennis bag which is very spacious, lots of zippered compartments and made of high quality material. Paul also gave me free Vantage T-shirt, umbrella, strings, wristband plus discount. According to Paul, he is giving away the free stuff for second time around order.

    Nice racquet and excellent customer support.
     
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  30. Coda

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    if Vantage hooks up with TW, Vantage would have a serious shot at big time success.
     
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    i wouldn't buy a vantage simply because they knock on "name brands" and then turn around and charge 2x more than them...pretty stupid if you ask me. It's the same thing that happens in any boutique market, knock on the big guys then charge 2-3x more and claim that you have superior build quality because you are "small".
     
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  32. BreakPoint

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    ??????? A Vantage custom built racquet is about $100 with the standard discount in a package deal (2 racquets, 6-pack bag, 6 sets of strings, supply of overgrips). A LM Prestige from TW is $200. How is the Vantage 2-3x more? It's actually half the price of the LM Prestige. In other words, the "name brands" non-custom, mass market racquets cost 2x more!
     
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  33. Coda

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    BP, is that package deal advertised on the site/how much is it?
     
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  34. BreakPoint

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    Yes, go to package deals on the home page and select the 2 racquet deal with 6 pack bag, strings, grips. Don't forget to select US$ as your currency choice and put in for your 15% discount. Remember that the value of the bag, strings, and grips is about $100.
     
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  35. NoBadMojo

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    Hi Coda..i guess you know the specs that are perfect for your game otherwise you may not be considering V******. That being the case, why dont you take advantage of the TW racquet finder while you are visiting the TW forum sometime and enter your target specs into the TW racquet finder and I am sure it will provide you with a number of frames perfectly suited for your needs all available at TW and you will have far more choices for ball feel, stiffnesses and so forth than you could from V*****. Then you could use TW's inexpensive demo program and demo a few farmes and select the right frame for you based upon actual play rather than specs. wow these V***** sticks are now down to 100 clams after starting out being in the $200's? I'd be pretty hacked off if i paid over $200 for one of these puppies.
     
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  36. BHud

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    This is interesting...let's all pile on Vantage because TW doesn't carry them...if we stick with this line of thinking, then we shouldn't have been talking about Volkl several years back when they had a strict ban on internet sales (I guess NBMJ would have had to learn German so he could participate on their message boards)...or Fischer - TW didn't carry them for a while either.

    Well guess what. The impact of our "premature" (that's different from immature J D) discussions may have helped bring those sticks to TW, and thus made them available to a whole new group of buyers. In the meantime, TW still benefited from the web traffic...after all, didn't people still need socks, shoes, balls, strings, shirts, shorts, etc.

    Enough is enough...I see this as a win-win for all invloved (and some great entertainment as well!)
     
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  37. Rory G

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    Coda, the Vantage sticks are definitely worth a try, along with any others in your target range. Breakpoint is correct. The frames are about $187 for a single frame with the discount. If you choose to buy a 2 racquet deal including a thermobag, strings, overgrips, etc. the price will go down to the low $100's if you deduct a value for the extra items. As most people know, this is pretty similar to any business that offers a discount for a multi or package order. . Good luck!
     
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  38. NoBadMojo

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    totally unrelated and a totally diferent circumstance set BHud
     
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  39. Coda

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    nobad, you seem to have your panties stuck in a bunch about vantage again...calm down
     
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    is there a code I have to put in as my referral code to get the 15% off?
     
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  41. DoubleHanded&LovinIt

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    TK01 is the discount code.

    BHud, some very good points.

    NBMJ, you are a great asset to this community. You may have a point. But so does BHud. You guys should discuss how circumstances were any different.
     
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    Coda's right, NBM seems to have a right knott
     
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  43. NoBadMojo

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    i've merely pointed out to Coda that the TWracquet finder is a valuable too that TW has provided in case Coda was unaware. and there is no need to discuss with BHud how the circumstance differs as there really isnt anything even related..no basis for discussion..a total stretch. i'm not jammed up abaout anything..just when posters come on here and say things like Vantage frames are only a hundred bucks now and such, it is fair for a poster to come in and voice his/her opinion. i'm very calm..i'm not upset at all, but you all can assume anything you like, so i suggest maybe you all might consider calming down ok? thanks, and have a nice day
     
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    To Coda, BHud, Nobadmojo, et.al

    RacquetMaxx, one of the premier racquet customizers and stringers in the US, are now assembling the racquets for Vantage for distribution here. After you order on Vantage's website, you can talk to Richard and he will give you more options for weights and balances so that you'll have many more possibilities but the two stiffness options remain the same at this time. RacquetMaxx also said before that they entered into this relationship, they had tested the racquets in-house extensively and were very impressed. Richard also said that all racquets before being shipped are tested on a Babolat rda machine to ensure very tight tolerances according to your desired specifications and in the case of multiple racquet orders, they are matched to the highest industry standards.

    Nobadmojo:

    Order 4 racquets from Wilson, Head, or even your well respected Volkyl, and I think you will find that only with luck would they be remotely acceptably matched. This has been my experience and most of my friend's experiences. If Vantage does what they say they can do, they are fulfilling a serious need of the serious tennis player. If you don't think constantly putting lead tape and constantly calibrating your racquet is an inconvenience to say the least then I guess any racquet with any strings would suffice for you.
     
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  45. DoubleHanded&LovinIt

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    Come on, NBMJ. No basis for discussion at all? You can't even begin to discuss how the situation is so dramatically different? If in fact the cases are so different, couldn't you make a couple of quick and obvious points about how the situation are different?

    Really, I do think you are a great poster. And you may have some points about Vantage unethically using this message board. However, ethics are a difficult thing to argue over. I'm asking you to debate with BHud how the circumstances are different. Debating this topic is much more straight-forward than debating ethics.

    It'd be unfortunate if you just shut down the conversation at this point because it reflects to me, and perhaps other posters, that you're feelings toward Vantage are rooted in closed-mindedness.
     
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    thats not true TPhilosopher....the last time I had Volkls swingweighted, i had 4 of them done and from low to high was a 3-4 swingweight point difference which is very difficult for anyone to notice. occasionally i will get one frame from them which feels differently (last time that one had slightly different graphics) and i'll just sell it off rather than try and get it to feel exactly like the others, but normally i dont even bother measuring my frames from volkl..i just put leather on them and off i go. by the way i seem to be able to notice very small changes in balance and swingweight. i likely dont appreciate your slam especially after me complimenting you earlier, and you dont know anything about my abilities or credentials. but i do agree with you that wilson and head have terrible tolerances for the most part even frames comng from the Wilson 'pro room'. so how about i suggest you order 4 frames from volkl since i dont think you've ever done that before and then measure them and post your results..then you can speak from experience..otherwise you're just making noise.
     
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  47. BLiND

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    Considering all you were doing was merely pointed out to Coda that the TWracquet finder is a valuable too that TW has provided in case Coda was unaware, you post was very long... are you sure you have no alterior motive?
     
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    not that i owe you an explanation blind, but none other than to point out the TW finder and me being of the opinion that the TW forum is NOT the place to promote Vantage racquets..other people feel the same. i could ask why you always <seem to> appear in vantage threads, but i really dont care why, so maybe YOU shouldnt get your shorts all in a bunch about me eh?
     
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    TPhilosopher thanks for the breaking news about the RacquetMaxx affiliation. i dont suppose you young grasshopper would somehow be involved w. RacquetMaxx since you are here extolling the virtues of these Vantage frames with no swingweights and how it is absolutely critical frames be exactly matched..small coincidence that's what RacquetMaxx seems to do. out of curiosity I went to RacquetMaxx dot com and discovered they have a tennis talk forum there so now all the Vantage pundents have the right venue to post their Vantage experience in and they wont have to feel guilty about causing TW to lose any sales at all. if you go to the forum you will see not so many posts there, and most of them like this one from some dude named Vantage Tom...gee i wonder who this person could be..couldnt be our very own TommyGun now could it? especially since he always proclaimed he was not involved w. Vantage. cant be because check out this guys signature, and our TommyGun would never deceive people. here is what he wrote at the RcquetMaxx forum back in April <snip>
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    Posted: Sat Apr 23, 2005 1:46 am Post subject: WHY DON'T YOU CUSTOMIZE YOUR FRAMES?

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    For years most of us have always known that customized frames are really the best for our games, at all levels. Yes, great racquet techs were hard to come by, but now there are a lot of good shops, like RacquettMAXX here.

    What is it that keeps you from customizing your frames?
    Price?
    Not sure what is right for you?
    Never thought about it?

    I'd love to know.

    I've used customized and weight/balance matched frames since the early 1980's.
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  50. BLiND

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    NBM like I said, I really like the Vantage racquets i hit with, therefore I like to give my experiences to people who are interested in the frames... the same reason I <seem to> appear in threads about Head Prestige, or RDX, or Diablo, or X1... do you get the point?... I like the racquets therefore I am enthusiastic about them.

    So, since I am trying to help those who have expressed interest in some racquets, what is it that you are trying to do?
     
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