Ok, no BS. Eagnas worth it?

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  1. Cup8489

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    Lately i have been looking to upgrade from my current Gamma X-2. I have looked at multiple models, and have decided that i want a fixed clamp stringing machine with a crank tensioner (linear gripper).

    That being said, it seems that the cheapest options for what I am looking for are in the form of Eagnas machines... specifically these:

    http://www.eagnas.com/com810.html
    http://www.eagnas.com/flash820.html
    http://www.eagnas.com/flex840.html
    http://www.eagnas.com/gb.html

    I'm looking for good honest input on these machines, and this company in general. Is it worth looking at, and what can I expect?

    I am not a particularly heavily-loaded stringer, a couple of frames a week.. just looking to upgrade.
     
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  2. Say Chi Sin Lo

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    I have one, and I've been using it for the last 4-5 years with no problem.

    It's just rough around the edges. Their customer service is an empty room though.
     
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  3. Cup8489

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    What machine do you own personally? I've never had to deal with customer service for my X-2 at this point, as it's done everything I've asked of it without issue.
     
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    I had the combo 910 (now the 915, I believe). I was perfectly happy with it and had no problems with the customer service although it's not nearly as good a CS as I get with my Gamma 6004.

    Eagnas is perfectly serviceable, but yes not quite as refined as a Gamma/Prince/Alpha etc.

    Hard to argue with the prices and if you get the QC/CS issues handled early on, if there are any (before warranty runs out), you will have a good machine at a great price. I think eagnas is best for frequent tool users as they may require abit more fiddling with upon assembly etc.

    I'd do it again if on a budget (and no good used options were available).
     
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  5. Irvin

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    I had an Eagnas 7xx combo and strung hundreds of frames on it but it was just not built to last. Then I moved on to a Gamma 6004 and it was like night and day. Then even thouh the 6004 was still working great I found a deal on a Babolat. All I can say is you going to get what you pay for.
     
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    Eagnas Flex 920.

    I haven't had problems with mine either. Although I only string for myself, probably comes out to about 3 racquets/month.

    In about 4-5 years of owner ship, I've had to replace one clamp. I calibrated the tensioning head once (when I first got it) and I have yet need to calibrate it again.

    One thing about these budget machines are that, they're just barebone metal with some nuts and bolts and springs here and there. There's really nothing that can break.

    Springs and etc. getting worn out is to be expected. I bought mine for ~$450 new, and I can't complain.
     
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    At a couple frames a week, you may be better off buying a 'name' brand. Maybe you'll save 100-200 dollars. Gamma customer service is one phone call away, they respond to email promptly, always have additional parts or upgrades available. You could probably get a very gently used crank machine for the same price as Eagnas.

    Yes, upgrading from an X-2 is like night and day. When I upgraded I started enjoying stringing.
     
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  8. Irvin

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    An upgrade is always a good idea. My first stringer was a Tremont and then I went to a Prince upright. Immediately I went from stringing a racket in over an hour to about 30 minutes. Night and day.
     
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    If you decide to go with one of those, just note the 810 is the only one with spring assisted clamp bases.
     
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  10. Irvin

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    I just looked at the 810 as I am not familiar with them. The 810 has K side supports (you will not like them,) a disk brake (you won't be able to use it, ) and no diablo (could cause string damage.) The Gamma ST II has C side supports, a locking brake, a diablo, and a 5 year warranty for $170 more. the Alpha Revo is between the Eagnas and Gamma.

    If the the tensioner brakes 10 years down the road on a Gamma, Gamma will still be there with their support. No warranty but support is ALWAYS there. I am sure Alpha will do the same.
     
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    Alpha will be there, too. Take a look at their stuff as well.

    I spent a lot of time looking at Eagnas models, but realized that I DO use service. . . which immediately evaporated the modest "discount" one might feel with Eagnas product.
     
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  12. Cup8489

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    I was definitely hoping you'd chime in in particular!

    I guess the thing is that their uprights are comparatively priced with gamma table tops, and i would definitely buy a stand if i were to get a table top.

    Being on a budget sucks.. but perhaps i should consider the extra cost to ensure a quality machine. I can string a frame on my X-2 in 30 minutes, and I have strung several hundred and know how to do it quickly and correctly. I just want the convenience of a fixed clamp, linear tensioner crank machine.

    I have been browsing the used and classified sections, but so far no luck on coming across a Revo or anything similar.
     
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  13. Irvin

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    If you're going to get a 6 point machine IMHO C type side supports are a must. The K type supports get in the way too much and when they're in the way it can take some time. You can also adjust for them but that takes time too.

    A good two point like a NEOS is great too but I prefer swivel clamps. But on the other hand I think a two point glide bar system is the fastest stringer there is bar none. You just have to figure out for yourself what features you want and what you want to spend. Used (in good shape) is always a great idea. I picked up a used Star5 that is within your budget. Try using that X2 a while longer until you come across a great deal.

    EDIT: Great deals are out there if you really look hard. I stumbled one one but that was pure luck.
     
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    Yeah I definitely prefer swivel clamps. I learned how to string with glide-bar clamps and definitely didn't enjoy adjusting them to do the crosses. I shall take your advice on the waiting; I'm through the toughest part of the season already in terms of volume of jobs, and so i can afford to give it some time.

    I'm also curious.. does anyone know of any of the crank machines that can be equipped with the Wise 2086 that DON'T lose their 360 degree turntable functionality? I know that's an issue with the Alpha Revo (I think...), but i'm wondering if any of them can work without that being an issue? Just for future considerations.
     
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    Gamma 6004 supposedly won't lose 360 with a wise.


    Cue Irvin again in 3......2.......1......
     
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    For the price point on the 6004 i'm almost better off buying the Progression ELS and getting a stand.. though i don't like the gripper on it.
     
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    The Neos 1500 won't lose 360 degree rotation with the Wise.

    With regard to clamps, glide versus swivel; I think it's all what you get used to. I strung again for the WTA deal here in town only this year I was the primary stringer and they asked that I be onsite for a certain number of hours. I mounted my Wise on a Prince 1500 and strung. To me, the swivel clamps were kind of a PITA versus the glide bar I'm used to. But, if I upgraded my machine, all have the swivel, so I'd have to get used to them. I think I'm faster with the glide bar. That said, I could/would get used to swivel. Both have their advantages and disadvantages.

    OH...and I wouldn't buy an EAGNAS.
     
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  18. Eightmarky

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    I had a Eagnas with glide bars and hated it. I don't remember what model it was but the glide bars would creep and it was really hard to get the right balance between being able to move them around and not having them creep. I would recommend you go with a different brand. I have an Alpha Axis Pro now.
     
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    I have owned several (4?) Eagnas machines (also a Czech and a Klippermate.)
    My current machine is an Eagnas upright with a crank, swivel clamps and six point mounting.
    Perfect for my personal needs.

    The Eagni that I have owned were fine. I bought all but one of them used.
    The only one I really didn't like was the first stringer that I bought (new), an entry level, Hawk 10? It had a cam gripper that would bite into syn gut strings and the mounting system was not so great.

    Eagnas' prices are good (seems like they raised their prices of late?) and for personal stringing purposes, you should be fine. I would not recommend Eagnas to people who string professionally. In that case, you probably want to go with Alpha, Gamma, Babs, Stringway, Prince etc. More expensive but better made and offer better customer service if you have a problem. Eagnas' customer service is not very reputable because the guy who runs the place (a house in the LA area?) doesn't suffer fools very well. Just pay with a credit card so if you get a bad machine, you have some leverage.

    It boils down to what the premium is to go to a more reputable brand and is it worth it to you?
    A comparable Alpha Revo (table top crank) is only about $100 more than the Eagnas machines so if you can afford the extra $100, buy the Alpha.
     
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    I have a Flex 940, which looks the same as the 840 but with a stand-up base.

    Things I like: tensioner, clamps. Clamps are easy to use and adjust, and the tensioner is super easy to use.


    Things I don't like: brake, base clamps. I am thinking of removing the disk entirely, because I can't get it adjusted to work without binding sometimes. The base clamps are a pain to tighten sufficiently and I have stripped the threads on the bolt of one of them, so I need to replace it.

    As for the k-mounting, I like the 6-point support. It can be a pain to adjust so that they are out of the way of the holes, but I usually only string my own racquets so I rarely have to adjust it.
     
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    The 6004 will not loose 360* rotation unless you use the Gamma Adapter, but then you'll need to use the diablo (in lieu of the Gamma Adapter) for the Wise or you'll have string damage.
     
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    You will have a better machine and better resale value if you buy a Gamma crank versus getting an Eagnas. I am not thrilled with the spring-assisted clamp bases on my Eagnas 710 machine. One base had a small screw break off inside the metal cone. The other had an uneven surface. The metal is so soft I was able to use emery cloth to smooth it. Adjusted to slide smoothly near the end of the slotted tracks, both clamp bases catch near the middle of the slotted tracks - I guess the tracks are thicker in the middle or slightly bent. I wouldn't buy an Eagnas again.
     
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    As far as I know you pay shipping cost with Eagnas as well, typically around $50? If shipping were free, the value proposition would look a lot better.
     
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    You make a fair point.

    I guess the resale value + quality of construction should be my priorities when deciding on this.

    Here's hoping a Revo 4k or STII pop up for a good price! or, for that matter..I wouldn't mind a 5003.
     
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    I've been in the EXACT same market as you over the past month or so. I haven't posted a "WANTED" because I saw you had already posted one, so I posted one over on stringforum instead. I've also been monitoring 'the Bay' like a hawk, and nothing good has come up recently.

    I ended up just purchasing a new X-St (should arrive next week). Why? For a few reasons:

    1. Eagnas has WAY too many machines of questionable quality, questionable support, poor resale value, and you pay for shipping. It was easy for me to eliminate them. Compare the Combo 810, their most comparable table-top machine, for $579+shipping to a Revo for 679 shipped free.
    2. The Alpha machines (Revo, Axis) have weak braking systems. I don't want to think twice about stringing any Prince/Ektelon O-port racquets on my new machine. The Gamma brake is much nicer as far as I can tell.
    3. The Gamma includes the diablo, which according to a previous gamma_tech post, helps guide the entry angle of the string into the gripper to give more consistent pulls and take some strain off the gripper. Seems to make sense to me. Again, a lot of money being spent, one more "feature" helps make the Gamma more attractive to me.
    4. The X-St, in my opinion, looks much better than the Alpha machines or the Progression ST II. Since it's going to be sitting on my table, I wanted something that was at least a little less ugly, plus the drawers will help to stow away some of the tools. Plus, having an extruded aluminum base (more durable) and slightly lighter overall weight (easier to move if needed) were attractive qualities to me.

    In the end, when I realized I'm not patient enough to wait for something used, paying an extra 100-200 for something with higher resale value (first and foremost) and some additional key features, not to mention better support (vs. Eagnas) made the choice a no-brainer. If Alpha would update their brake design on the Revo, they'd be right in there as well.
     
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    gamerluke I would agree with all except the statement that the diablo takes some strain off the gripper. Because the diablo on the Gamma is free spinning the tension on both sides is exactly the same. I think you made a good decision. a good machine is used to string for profit will return your money in no time. I would rather have a new machine now that a questionable machine sometime in the future. Plus you have a 5 year guarantee not that you will ever need it.
     
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    I may be remembering incorrectly, but I believe it was lateral strain that was mentioned, i.e. the string coming into the gripper from extreme angles and pulling it sideways? You know better than me (or my memory), though!
     
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    That being the case I would agree with you. If you use a brake so the string is pulled from the side then yes I'm sure you are correct my bad.
     
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    The Gamma Tech post I was thinking of did not explicitly mention this, actually (I just found it). I'm not sure if I just made the information up or if I read it somewhere else, but either way it makes sense to my brain! =) For reference, here's the specific post I was thinking of, and one of the reasons that swayed me towards the Gamma (nice work, salesman Gamma Tech!):

     
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    you are correct gamerluke, good job with the due diligence in your search. i think you'll be very happy with the gamma machine.
     
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    gamerluke Gamma Tech is talking about something completely different there, and I don't want to hyjack the thread, but he is correct though.

    EDIT: He is talking about even yet another advantage of the Gamma machine.
     
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    Totally realize that. That was one of the two advantages I mentioned in my original post. I have no direct evidence that what I said about reducing strain to the head was true at all -- but I thought I remember reading it, and it sounds good.

    In short, just another reason to not go with the Eagnas. Side note: has anyone from Eagnas every posted on TT? I feel like that'd go a long way to helping their reputation, but alas...
     
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    Irvin, can you elaborate on what the Diablo is? I must confess to being ignorant of what it does.

    I had completely forgotten the X-ST existed.. I wonder what the differences are between that and the Progression ST II? Besides ten dollars :)
     
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    Read the quote I posted above by Gamma Tech, it is accurate. The diablo (or "roller guide" in this case) is the round thing you wrap the string around before putting it in the gripper to be pulled. The Alpha machines do not have this.

    As far as the X-St vs. the Progression ST II, the X-St has an extruded aluminum base with a couple plastic drawers, whereas the ST II is cast aluminum with a red plastic cover. Personally, I find the red to be pretty ugly and extruded aluminum should be stronger than cast. And of course the drawers and better color (blue > red) make it easily worth the 10 extra bucks in my mind!!!
     
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    Here is the thread where Bret (Gamma Tech) made his comments. In there he talks about the advantages of Gamma machines.

    When pulling tension on a crank the string enters into the linear gripper and the crank is rotated to move the tensioner away along the crank arm. The farther the crank moves the the tighter the string gets. The string's tension tilts the gripper assembly which has a latch holding the brake level when the gripper assembly tilts far enough the latch slips off the brake level which engages the brake and stops any more movement of the tensioner until the operator re engages the brake lever.

    Because the Gamma has 360* rotation the complete gripper assembly must be below the racket handle. For the Gamma it is very low about 2". The gripper assembly's height never changes in relation to the crank arm but the crank arm can move along the crank arm for about 6". Different string stretches at different rates where Kevlar and poly stretch much less than other strings. The shorter the crank moves the greater the angle is going into the gripper the longer the string stretches the smaller the angle. Depending on the angle of the string from the grommet hole to the gripper plate it will take a different amount of force to tilt and unlock the brake lever. The diablo moves with the gripper assembly and keeps the angle going into the gripper constant and therefore the tension is constant.

    If you're pulling on the center mains of a racket there is very little side bend at the grommet hole of the string going to the gripper assembly. The only bend is from the string bending down to the gripper which has 360 rotation. The lower the gripper the greater the bend. Gamma has one of the greatest bends because the gripper assembly is one of the lowest. As you start moving away from the center the the side bend gets greater and greater until it becomes greater than the downward bend on some machine because the gripper is higher. The angle being greater increases the angle and causes more friction at the grommet where the string bends. The greater the angle the greater the friction and the less tension there is on the string inside the racket. With the lower gripper on the Gamma the more constant the tension is in the frame from string to string.

    Let's assume now you're string a Prince racket and using the brake. That means the string will enter into the gripper from the side rather than string on. That will not only effect how much force it takes to tilt and unlock the lockout but there will be a sharp bend around the front edge of the gripper plates putting a lot of stress on the string at that point. With the diablo the string going into the gripper remains at the same angle so the tension is the same and there is no sharp bend of the string at the gripper.

    Hope than makes sense and I did not ramble on too much.
     
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    Definitely makes sense, and the clarification was definitely helpful.

    I suppose I better save a little while longer.. the X-ST is looking very nice to me now.
     
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    Okay one more question. I have decided to get the X-ST.. but am having trouble finding a place that sells them with free shipping..?


    Best place to purchase one from?
     
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    ATS sports current has a free shipping promo I believe. I got mine through Walmart because I liked the idea of being able to return it to the local store for 90 days if I have any issues.
     
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    I was probably going to get it from Wal-Mart if I found no alternative. Just not crazy about the 50 bucks in taxes. Wish TW carried them...
     
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    I do, too. I called RbW (TW's racquetball brother) and asked whether or not they could get the X-St or whether they could only sell the Progression ST II as shown on their site. They said they were only partnered for the products shown on their website. Oh well...at least I live in Oregon where tax is never an issue =)

    Maybe try calling ATS as well -- when I called Gamma to ask some questions they said ATS was their primary seller.
     
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    ATS / Gamma

    I fairly recently bought an X-ST from ATS. I don't know the exact relationship between ATS and Gamma, but they share the same address. When I spoke to the salesperson at ATS he was extremely knowledgeable about all the the Gamma products and made some great recommendations. One of them was to buy the Xuron tools because the free included tools were not very good. The difference is night and day. I also got a starting clamp which I use all the time. These were also shipped free with the machine.

    The machine shipped almost immediately and arrived quickly. I couldn't be happier with the X-ST or with ATS. I am also very happy with TW - they have been great. I wanted to order through TW, but as you note, they do not sell the X-ST.
     
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  42. Cobra Tennis

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    I Have a hyper 320 Eagnas / Silent Partner Jazz (same model) that has been great. Snagged it off craigslist for $65! Some wife was selling her soon to be ex husbands possessions...
     
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    The Gamma Progression ST II that TW carries is essentially the same machine. Gamma has two lines with minor differences, check the ATS sports web site.
     
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    2 eagnas machines with no problems (fingers crossed it stays that way).

    I'm not a big stringer, largely for myself/family but i had a top 600T which i used for about 15 years without a single problem and have since replaced.
     
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    Does the Gamma 5003 6-point cranker at $980 (from TW!) have any big advantages over the similar Gamma X-ST? ($880 with the floor stand.) Both work better with the Gamma starting clamp, right?
     
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    I'm aware; my main reason for choosing the X-ST is additional storage and a base that I can definitely assume is a good base (having the X-2, theyre made of similar material). Plus I just prefer the design of the base more.
     
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    no big adavantages, no.

    any starting clamp will do, but some insist that only a babolat starting clamp is worth buying. i don't agree with that at all, i have a gamma and an eagnas both of which work fine.
     
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    My take on Eagnas.... Not bad for the $$. I have snapped both 6 and 12 steel supports at the weld and had both re-welded. First time I went thru Eagnas and I found them very responsive and great customer service. Second time was in hurry and went to local shop. Clamp bases have gotten a bit finicky.

    I'd likely feel different if ever using a high end quality machine. Sometimes it's better not knowing what you're missing.....
     
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    After much, much deliberation, a few second-guesses, and finally giving in, I've purchased the X-ST and an accompanying stand.

    I can't thank you guys enough for the insight on the various models, and the differences between them. I expect I will be more than happy with my purchase, and am eagerly awaiting its arrival.
     
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  50. gamerluke

    gamerluke Rookie

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    Man I should become a Gamma rep or something ;)
     
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