Okay, Greekness and all you other Baggy fans....

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  1. VamosRafa

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    What did you think of today's match. My headline is Rafa Bags Baghdatis.
     
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  2. ACE of Hearts

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    :mrgreen: Congrats to Nadal, he deserved the win, dissapointed at how Bags's confidence just shattered in that second set.
     
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  3. VamosRafa

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    He said in his interview that Rafa was just too good, especially in the second set. He said it was a good lesson for him. Rafa had a really cute press conference. I'll post about that when I get back to the hotel. I have to extend my stay for another night.
     
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  4. Lee

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    make it TWO more nights!!! Vamos Susan!
     
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  5. Marius_Hancu

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    Baghdatis seems to have conditioning issues, his legs give up. It happened in the AO final and it happened yesterday.
     
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    At 2-3 serving Patrick McEnroe says "Those top spin balls can really take a lot out of you and can really hurt your legs, and that's what Nadal does, and you'll see a lot of scorelines when Nadal plays, 6-4, 6-1."


    He was right.
     
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  7. agassirulz8991

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    This was a learning experience for Bags. He has nothing to be ashamed of. Marius is absolutely right about Marcos having conditioning issues. Nadal's game can really punish and take his opponents' legs out if they are not supremely fit.
     
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  8. monologuist

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    Baghdatis could stand to increase his muscle to fat % it looks like....he has a solid frame and quick feet, but his strength and conditioning are nowhere near Nadal's...
     
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    Let's hope he reads this forum so he starts working on that soon.
     
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  10. VictorS.

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    I was really impressed with Nadal last night. Blake will certainly have his hands full today. Nadal just seems better than Baghdatis in every sense....quicker, more explosive, better shot-making, more endurance, better defense, etc etc. I thought Baghdatis did well hanging in there in the first set, however Nadal was just too good. Right now, I'd honestly be surprised if Nadal doesn't win this tournament. Federer is going to have to bring his A game if he expects to beat Nadal (assuming he comes thru in the semis).
     
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  11. Marius_Hancu

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    VamosRafa:

    You might find the right moment to discretely suggest Rafa to hire an English grammar coach. It's a petty to see such an intelligent guy fighting with it. He's fine in terms of vocabulary development, but the structure is horrendous.

    IMO, if you're trying doing a thing (learn English, in his case), do it properly, with proper support, not by the ear. He knows that from tennis:), but ...
     
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    He is working on it, and it's improved a lot in three years. When I first met Rafa he didn't speak any English, and wouldn't even try to do interviews in English. He was too afraid of making a mistake.

    From what I understand from the folks who are fully bilingual, Rafa is extraordinarily articulate in Spanish. Given what I see from the interviews translated from Spanish, this seems very true. And most of the time he speaks in Catalan anyway. And he also speaks Mallorqui.

    At every event the ATP assigns him a Spanish coordinator who assists him in interviews, and helps him with his Spanglish. He doesn't travel with an English tutor, but to be honest, I don't think learning English is his focus. It's his tennis, and his coach and physio speak Catalan (and very little English), so he doesn't get many chances to practice it with them. And he's with them all the time at events. But Uncle Toni is fluent in German, which must help them when they are in Stuttgart.

    But give him credit for trying. Coria won't even try to do an interview in English, and Guga's English never got to where Rafa's is now. When Moya first got on Tour, he didn't speak any English either, and now his English is quite good. I expect in a few years Rafa's English will be much better.

    I suppose the alternative is for him to do only Spanish interviews until his English becomes more perfect, but I think this is the way he is learning -- he kind of does it as he goes. And I think people know why his grammar is so bad, no? It's not his first language -- and they appreciate the effort he makes to try to communicate.

    PS: I have a feeling that if I told him to work on his English, he would (quite rightly) tell me to work on my Spanish. He laughs when I say "Hola, Como estas?" And then responds in English. *lol*

     
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  13. Moose Malloy

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    I think it's petty that you care whether or not he speaks English at all. It really isn't necessary in his profession. Coria hasn't spoken a word in all his years on tour.
    Nadal has enough to worry about-playing & winning tennis matches. Nothing else matters, certainly not his English skills.
     
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  14. superman1

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    His English is fine, he can usually answer questions. And he even says "come on!" when he's playing sometimes. The only thing is he sort of talks from his throat, he makes that throat clearing sound when he talks. But his English is certainly more impressive than most people's Spanish. Es muy bien.
     
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    The only impression Baghdatis made on me is when he took out Berdych in straight sets. Nadal proved to everyone that Marcos is not ready for the Top 10. Was Melbourne just a fluke? I seriously doubt that Baghdatis can reach another Grand Slam or Master Series final this year. I put him at +500.
     
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  16. edberg505

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    I think Guga's English is quite well.
     
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    I can't believe that 2 sets with Nadal is more exhausting than 5 sets with someone else. Can someone explain or theorize?
     
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  18. Moose Malloy

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    Players used to say this about Agassi. I remember Pmac played a long 5 setter at the French & then lost a straight set match to Agassi. He said the Agassi match was far more exhausting because Agassi makes you run so much more than anyone else.

    As far as Nadal goes, I don't know. But he does get a lot of balls back & hits with an insane amount of spin. If you're not in great shape, it can be tough vs him. If you look up all his matches last year, many have a close first set than a blowout 2nd, so this does seem to be a pattern with many that lose to him.
     
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    Agassi is tough in that he'll make you sprint all over the court. He used to not always go for winners, instead opting to hit balls just barely within his opponent's reach to tire them out. Now he tries to end things a little quicker.

    Nadal is tough in that he returns everything and the balls spin above your shoulders. It takes a lot of strength to handle those balls throughout a match.
     
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  20. diegaa

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    FYI, speaking Mallorqui and Catalán is ike speking english from the US and english from australia. anyway, dont wanna tkae credit away from the guy.
     
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    It doesn't bother me at all if Nadal (or anyone else) doesn't speak English. But if he's decided to do it, better do it well, start with some good fundamentals. Just learning it by the ear isn't the most effective way.
     
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    double post. sorry.
     
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    Again, Marius, I think he's more focused on his tennis. Which I think is appropriate. He's no different than Moya, Ferrero, Robredo, Costa and others at his age. Alex Corretja is an anomoly, as he had beautiful English skills to start with, but that's not true in general of these players. In a few years, Rafa's English will be acceptable -- much better than our Spanish, I'm sure. ;-)

    And his Spanglish is something that perhaps wouldn't be acceptable with Moya, but with a teenager it's okay. Look at all he has to deal with at his age; and if this is his only failing, well, who cares?

    BTW, I don't think that's true re Catalan and Mallorqui. There's more of a French inflection in those dialects, at least in Catalan. And many Spanish people on our site cannot speak Catalan or Mallorqui. It's very easy for me to get Spanish translations of items, but if I need something in Catalan or Mallorqui, it's much more difficult. Perhaps some of our Spanish visitors here can comment on it more. But one of the big bones of contention with our site from Spanish fans is that it's not in Catalan, which is Rafa's primary "home" language.
     
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  24. VamosRafa

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    That's because the "h" sound is generally silent in Spanish. So when he or many other Spanish speakers say the "h" sound it comes out "hech," because they are not used to pronouncing an "h." It's very common.
     
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    Even when he's not saying h. Like when he says, "It's very good," it sounds like, "Icks vckerry good."
     
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    LMAO. c´mon man, its nothing like that. i must admit that spanish accent is quite funny. but the main problem for spanish people is the "sh" sound. as well said, and because the "h" is silent in spanish, words like "shell" or "show" sound like "sell" or "sow". so it´s all messed up.
    (BTW, I´m argentinian but i´ve been living in spain for several years now - and we don´t have this particular problem as we do have the "sh" sound. of course, we have others... :mrgreen: )


    The catalan you might say has some fench influence, but it´s more similar to spanish than french by a lot. (spanish is my native language and I can speak some french too). And again, Mallorqui is almost the same that catalan.
     
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  27. VolklVenom

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    he is a top 10 player. He just needs the eye of the tiger which he certainly doen't have, yet.
     
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