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[True Fanerer]

Once again, here we are: two or three gfs, a wife and a couple kids, three or four jobs later (more for some of us) still keeping up with tennis and our favorite player. He's like the the sun rising in the east or Nadal complaining about knees that need rest. A forever legend that never quits, Roger Federer is without a doubt..... the very ***** best!! Comebackerer!! The true #1 let's have a test!

 

[Deleted member 688153]

#1 and best player aren't the same thing.

Nadal has the computer ranking because he has demonstrated what that measures (i.e. consistency and playing a full schedule).

Federer on the other hand is obviously the best player of the year. More big titles, a perfect record against Nad, a way better win %, and he's also just been playing better tennis more generally.

Nadal playing and losing at a few extra events has been the difference points-wise. But he still deserves the ranking.

 

[Tennisanity]

Sometimes the best player does not get the computer ranking. If a guy wins the CYGS across 3 different surfaces, something that has never been done, he could still finish #2, but clearly he was the best player of the year.

 

[True Fanerer]

#1 and best player aren't the same thing.

Nadal has the computer ranking because he has demonstrated what that measures (i.e. consistency and playing a full schedule).

Federer on the other hand is obviously the best player of the year. More big titles, a perfect record against Nad, a way better win %, and he's also just been playing better tennis more generally.

Nadal playing and losing at a few extra events has been the difference points-wise. But he still deserves the ranking.

Possibly the most disputed #1 ever? Assuming Roger runs this field.

 

[Deleted member 688153]

Fed has also preserved himself.
Nadal has run himself into the ground physically for what could end up being a 140 point gap between them.

Fed on the other hand has skipped half the calendar and still got that close. And he's likely finishing in good form while Rafa has gone in for another engine rebuild. That should count for something.

 

[True Fanerer]

Unbelievably close really. Shows Federer's true dominance.

 

[True Fanerer]

The best #2 in the history of tennis.

 

[Deleted member 688153]

Possibly the most disputed #1 ever? Assuming Roger runs this field.

I wouldn't say disputed. At least I don't dispute it.

It is undisputed that Nadal has earned the ranking based on the rules set for it by the ATP. He can't not deserve that.

But at the same time nobody serious can dispute that Roger has been the best player of the last year. Just pointing to the number of points rings very hollow there, although I'm sure plenty of VB members will push that forever anyway. By every other metric Fed is convincingly ahead, and the points gap is likely to be negligibly small.

Tennis-wise it's no contest. Fed has beaten him every time they've played and has a much better record against the rest of the field too (both Top 10 and overall). He's also been the only one to win a slam with a hard draw (AO).

 

[yokied]

Fed on the other hand has skipped half the calendar and still got that close. And he's likely finishing in good form while Rafa has gone in for another engine rebuild. That should count for something.

It does indeedily. Maybe not in 2017, but it will next year. I'll be surprised if Nadal features anywhere meaningful outside clay.

 

[Deleted member 688153]

It does indeedily. Maybe not in 2017, but it will next year. I'll be surprised if Nadal features anywhere meaningful outside clay.

I've noticed a bit of a meme on here about him winning the AO the last few weeks.

The only way that happens is if he's lying about the injury and also faces nobody like at the USO. Even then it's unlikely given the surface and conditions.

It's pretty much clay or bust unless the field gets even worse somehow.

 

[Deleted member 688153]

And I don't believe he's lying about the injury.

 

[True Fanerer]

And I don't believe he's lying about the injury.

Neither do I. I respect Rafa and what he has done. I'm not a stupid fan boy. I'm a realistic Federer fan. There is a difference. We agree on that always have. I believe the best fans are the ones that acknowledge both sides in this. Of course I love an extremist to argue with in fun but that goes without saying.

 

[Jackuar]

#1 and best player aren't the same thing.

Nadal has the computer ranking because he has demonstrated what that measures (i.e. consistency and playing a full schedule).

Federer on the other hand is obviously the best player of the year. More big titles, a perfect record against Nad, a way better win %, and he's also just been playing better tennis more generally.

Nadal playing and losing at a few extra events has been the difference points-wise. But he still deserves the ranking.

This.

Roger deserves it 'too'. But that cannot happen without taking it away from Nadal and rightfully, it cannot/should not be taken from Nadal as well. So, I guess, fortunately/unfortunately, the computer determining the order in the end and whatever we get, lets be it.

 

[Russeljones]

Nadal is the # 1. What part of this simple points system don't you get?

 

[True Fanerer]

Nadal is the # 1. What part of this simple points system don't you get?

I get he is #1 technically.................

 

[Russeljones]

I get he is #1 technically.................

#1 in fact and on merit. Get over it.

 

[Deleted member 688153]

#1 in fact and on merit. Get over it.

Don't worry, Pete has secured at least one more year of holding his very last record

 

[True Fanerer]

#1 in fact and on merit. Get over it.

Merit? Rafa only played the WTF because he felt he had to (admirable) because he knows #1 morally belongs to Federer!

 

[True Fanerer]

Only reason he did it

 

[True Fanerer]

Don't worry, Pete has secured at least one more year of holding his very last record

The only one

 

[Deleted member 688153]

Merit? Rafa only played the WTF because he felt he had to (admirable) because he knows #1 morally belongs to Federer!

Depends on how you define "merit".

It could be being the best player (in which case it's Federer), or earning the accolade as per the specific rules (in which case it's obviously Nadal).

 

[yokied]

I don't mean to sound the alarm but Roger looked a bit ginger out there against Zverev. He was pissed off the whole time, with a lot of serving problems and weak, weird groundstrokes, opting for a lot of drop shots. I think the back might be coming back.

 

[True Fanerer]

Depends on how you define "merit".

It could be being the best player (in which case it's Federer), or earning the accolade as per the specific rules (in which case it's obviously Nadal).

Out of pride he showed up. Quite an entertaining match btw with a bad knee hobbling. It just goes to show though really how much Rafa thought he had to do to prove his ranking.

 

[Deleted member 688153]

The only one

If Fed wins the WTF, both Federer and Nadal have had a better season this year than Pete ever had, actually.

Nadal has passed Pete in slams this year too, and Fed has snatched Wimbledon away completely.
This has been an awful year for Sampras fans. Nadal's potential 140 point lead over Fed in the rankings is the one saving grace from utter ruin.

 

[Deleted member 688153]

Out of pride he showed up. Quite an entertaining match btw with a bad knee hobbling. It just goes to show though really how much Rafa thought he had to do to prove his ranking.

Yep. Fed and Nadal really respect each other, both for their abilities and as people.
Anyone who suggests otherwise has absolutely no idea what they're talking about.

 

[Deleted member 688153]

I don't mean to sound the alarm but Roger looked a bit ginger out there against Zverev. He was pissed off the whole time, with a lot of serving problems and weak, weird groundstrokes, opting for a lot of drop shots. I think the back might be coming back.

Fortunately he's not going to have to do anything stellar to fall across the line.
He can lose his next match, and the other guys don't exactly inspire.

I'm glad he's not facing healthy Nadal if the back is truly back though. But I doubt it. I think he just doesn't like playing Zverev.

Sock beating Z in the next round would be good for Fed's chances. And it could easily happen.

 

[True Fanerer]

I don't mean to sound the alarm but Roger looked a bit ginger out there against Zverev. He was pissed off the whole time, with a lot of serving problems and weak, weird groundstrokes, opting for a lot of drop shots. I think the back might be coming back.

I agree and would worry on most surfaces but indoors is always a Fed advantage. Take a pain pill and whoop some Arse.

 

[kabob]

Oh lord, if Federer had only played one or two tournaments during the clay season and gotten mediocre results, he would be competing for world #1 right now. But he didn't so you fans need to go ahead and face the reality that he's #2 for tangible reasons of his own making and not due to a twist of fate.

 

[True Fanerer]

Oh lord, if Federer had only played one or two tournaments during the clay season and gotten mediocre results, he would be competing for world #1 right now. But he didn't so you fans need to go ahead and face the reality that he's #2 for tangible reasons of his own making and not due to a twist of fate.

He should have. Just a couple quarters or something. 2018 play a warm up and play FO one last time.

 

[zagor]

Unbelievably close really. Shows Federer's true dominance.

Or maybe it shows Fed fans' dominance on TW.

 

[Zeref]

Nadal deserves #1. Imo Federer does too. But Nadal is mathematically better, so be it.
Both players deserve it . . But only one can b #1.

 

[sureshs]

Once again, here we are: two or three gfs, a wife and a couple kids, three or four jobs later (more for some of us) still keeping up with tennis and our favorite player. He's like the the sun rising in the east or Nadal complaining about knees that need rest. A forever legend that never quits, Roger Federer is without a doubt..... the very ***** best!! Comebackerer!! The true #1 let's have a test!

Nadal has knee problems because, unlike Federer, he doesn't skip major tournaments like Slams.

 

[Zeref]

Nadal has knee problems because, unlike Federer, he doesn't skip major tournaments like Slams.

He will b skipping whole seasons aka retiring at 36

 

[ChaelAZ]

There are now more threads claiming moral #1 victory for Fed than he has grand slam titles. lol.

Even Fed conceded #1 and had no problem doing so with having an otherwise excellent year.