Oliver Machine

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  1. Stimpy

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    Just got an old machine. Does anyone know anything about "Oliver" pedestal machine, it's a drop weight machine. It was made in Australia. I want to know how to use it properly. I'd be gratful for any information. Thanks.
     
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    I think you will find it is similar to the Serrano shown on Al's stringing machine site. As I recall from the early 70's, the mounting and foot pedal activated weight system was basically the same. The one I worked on did not have a functioning hydraulic brake for the weight so the stringer had to 'ease' off the weight to apply tension. Had some beefy clamps, as well...not the most user-friendly machine around. Good luck!
     
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  3. Stimpy

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    Al's site

    What's the URL for Al's site? Yeah it's got a heafty clamp but it only grips one string and it doesn't reach the string plane so I can't figure out how to use the clamp. Might have to use two floating clamps instead.
    Thanks for the reply.
     
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  4. varuscelli

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    Hey, Stimpy, I'd love to see photos of your machine if you've got any to show.

    Here's the link to my site:

    www.photostringer.com

    I have photos of the Serrano machines on the Miscellaneous Stringing Machines page here, if those help at all:

    http://www.photostringer.com/misc_stringing_machines.htm

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  5. Stimpy

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    No problems

    I'll post or email some to you later. I have to panel off at the moment to regrease all the moving parts and trying to figure out how it all works. Give me your email address and I'll send you some pics.
     
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    Right up above in the previous message. But you can also e-mail me from the website. I don't think I've seen any photos of an Oliver machine, so it you'd like it might make a nice addition to the stringing machine photo library. I'm running WAY behind on making posts right now, but I'll get to everything in a short while. But in any case, it would be interesting to see the machine you've got. ;)
     
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  7. Radical Shot

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    Hey Stimpy,

    I have one of these machines also that I've tricked up a bit with a modern head. Best machine I've ever used - so quick, reliable and easy to use.

    If you ever want to sell it, please let me know.

    Here's a picture of it I posted a while ago
    http://tinypic.com/b6662b.jpg

    Here's the original thread
    http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=45345&highlight=frankenstein

    Basically, you press the pedal, pull, clamp and then release the pedal to tension. Repeat as necessary! The further away you move the weight, the more tension the machine delivers.

    Best regards,

    RS.
     
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    Hey, RS -- that's another machine that would make a good Stringing Machine Photo Library contribution. People would LOVE to see that one, especially with its hybrid nature. Let me know if you'd like to contribute any photos.

    And Stimpy: Thanks for sending the shots! I'll look forward to more once you have it assembled to your satisfaction. And it looks like you may have found your subject matter expert in RS here. :)

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  9. Radical Shot

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    Hi Stimpy,

    Sorry, I couldn't reply by the messenger thing - the system was saying I didn't have sufficient permissions!?

    Anyway, I'll have to post some more photos of my machine. The one above is a little misleading, because it shows the other drop-weight machine sitting on top of it. I use the original Oliver drop-weight mechanism, not the one sitting on top.

    I found that the spindle of a Klip Gravity Pro fits exactly into the hole left by taking out the original table top of the Oliver. I put a spacer (a big nut) just to lift it a little and you would never know it wasn't part of the original design. It fits so well. The clamp is a little lower than the height of the racquet, but only just and I don't see how this can affect the string job in any way. I've broken a string (or a racquet for that matter) using this machine, and it is so easy to use that I reckon it would be a good race between me and someone on an electronic machine 30 years younger and 10 times the price. Anyone up to the challenge?

    As I said, I'll take some more details photos of the setup and show you how I've done it.

    For your situation, I believe that you'll need another clamp as the original machine only has one fixed, sliding clamp. Perhaps you can purchase another flying clamp from somewhere.

    Otherwise, perhaps you can have mine! I don't intend using it anymore. I'll have another look at the original table top and clamp and let you know.

    Best regards,

    Radical Shot
     
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    Stimpy, I can't use the messenger, so please post here.

    I am in Australia. As you know, that cast-iron table-top + clamp + glide bar weighs quite a lot and I'd hate to think what the freight charge is to NZ. You're probably better off looking for a second-hand Klip like I did. There was one sold locally here off an auction site for around AU$300.

    You'll end up with a super machine and you'll always be able to sell it for the same, if not more than what you spent on it.
     
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    How quickly can you string on that machine Radical Shot? I'm just curious since that machine is likely older than me... Probably at least 5-10 years older than me actually.
     
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    Interested

    I'll be very interested in getting a hold of your old parts. I got my machine for the price of petrol picking it up so I am happy but have to practice on a few old rackets first. I am a complete beginner.

    Any suggestions on how to go about learning. I have found a few sites so will have to dive in and string a racket as soon as I get another clamp.

    Yes it only came with one fix clamp on a glide and in grabs one string, not 2 like the flying clamps. This clamp sits quite a way below the plane of the strings so I gather you pull the sting down to it? I thought the clamps clamp the strings on the same level that's why they have the notches in them?

    I think I have to stringing process clear in my mind but not too sure about the clamps. I saw some clamps that look like vice grips and though I could convert some vice grips myself. I can't seem to add a picture of these clamps.
     
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    Hi, Stimpy

    You might have already seen many of these, but on the links section of the photostringer website, I do have a subsection dedicated to stringing instruction and related items.

    If you scroll down the the Stringing Instructions, Facts, and FAQs section of this page, you might find some additional helpful links.

    http://www.photostringer.com/links.htm
     
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  15. Stimpy

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    Thanks

    Thank you very much I'll go and have a look now. Cheers.
     
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    Hey Masamusou, well, today I strung a Volkl DNX 10 Mid Plus 18x20 string pattern in a 2-piece sythetic gut/poly hybrid in about 25 minutes. That included cutting out the string , measuring new string, adjusting the weight and mounting the frame. This was a personal best for me and the results were great.

    I can't see a modern day machine doing this any better or quicker.
     
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    Hey Stimpy, remember that this machine was built when wooden racquets were still around. If you look on the side of the machine you'll see a locking mechanism that the booklet manual says is for locking aluminium racquets in place. Don't know why you need to do that, but it shows that it was built for different styles of racquets. Perhaps you can lift the whole table top up a bit and put a washer / spacer in there to lift it up a bit so as to lessen the angle of the string to racquet.

    If you ever make it to Canberra, look me up.
     
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  18. Stimpy

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    OK

    My email is <stimpy_bum@yahoo.com> please let me know your email. You never know I might make it to Canberra. Cheers. I still have a heap of questions for you hope you don't mind.
    Will have to buy you beer for all your help.
     
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    Hi Stimpy, keep the questions coming!

    What I'll do is replace the head on my machine back to the original state - exactly like yours. Then I'll work out how to string a racquet in this state and post some pictures and detailed notes etc.

    Should be a good retro, learning experience.


    NZ beer, yum. So many micro-breweries in NZ.
     
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    Thank you

    You're too kind. I hope it's not an inconvenince. I would really appreciate it. Don't kow how to thank you enough.
     
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    Hello Radical. I am interested in buying your old slide clamp off your Oliver. the clamp, bar and the slide guides. Would you sell them to me? Thanks
     
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  22. Radical Shot

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    Hi Stimpy,

    These things weigh a ton! Are you sure you want me to send them internationally? I'm sure the postage would cost big $$$.

    I'm not sure you actually need them. If you already have these items in your machine, then I don't see why you would need a second set.

    My advice would be to put your money into purchasing a 6 point head from another machine and simply fix it to the top of your Oliver. That's what I've done and it's the best machine going round in my opinion.

    Sorry about not posting the info like I said I would. I did a bit of research on fixing the original table-top to the oliver. Reading the manual that came with the machine, you definately need a starting clamp to get it working correctly. In fact, the instructions basically said to clamp one end of the string using the starting clamp, and then string the main for an entire side of the racquet! I would not recommend doing this for a modern racquet, as you need to spread the load on the mains evenly. eg. String a few main on one side, then alternate and do the other. Stringing an entire side of the mains will cause a lot of stress on the racquet and could crack it.

    It was probably OK back in the day when a small headed, wooden racquet strung with gut at low tension was OK. Times have changed.
     
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  23. Stimpy

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    Was only interested in the the clamp, bar and the two ends. But I will take your advise and try stringing a racket first. Thanks. Don't bust a boiler taking your set up apart just for me mate! I'll figure it out.
     
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  24. Ljubicic for number1

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    Seen one of these for sale on the auction site about 12 months ago, it was situated in Tasmania. Didnt get a bid.
     
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    Do you know what it sold for? I got mine for a very reasonable price.
     
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    Hey Radical Shot and anyone else interested, thanks for your help. I just strung my first racquet tonight. A badminton racquet but I think the process is the same. It turned out really well using two floating clamps. One piece stringing.
    Got a question for you about the Oliver machine. How come there is only one fix clamp? How can you string with only one fixed clamp, although I won't be using it now I have 2 floating clamps but it's bugging me. Any thoughts? Cheers.
     
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    Hey Stimpy,

    Congratulations on stringing your racquet. Easy isn't it!?

    As mentioned, the instruction manual for this machine advises to use a one-piece job and use a starting clamp to clamp one end of the string. The starting clamp is used on the outside of the frame.

    Then you string an entire half of your racquet, using only the single fixed clamp. Please note! This is not advisable on a modern racquet as the stresses involved may crack the frame. When you've finished and tied off the completed half, you start the second half, thereby only using a single fixed clamp for the entire frame.
     
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    I'll photocopy the instruction manual and post it here soon. It's a great trip back in time. I also saw that machine in Tasmania. My wife vetoed my bidding for it.....rats....
     
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    Wives!! What do they know!! Haha.
    It wasn't so hard but starting with 2 floating clamps was a bit confusing, as I explained in my post in the stringing forum.
    Now I understand what you are saying from the manual. Like you say can't do that on modern racquets and I won't try either.
    Initially that's why I was interested in your glide clamp; then I could have two fixed clamps to do a modern string job i.e. mains starting in the middle and working symmetircally out. Still interested if you ever want to sell them. Can send them to Melbourne and I'll pick them up from there. But I understand you might want to keep the machine complete. No worries mate.
    My plans is to do another badminton racquet and then try stringing an old Wilson aluminium tennis racket with some cheap strings....then it's my wife's Prince O3 white next. She's really the tennis player, not me. I'm just the cheap husband who don't want to fork out for stringing every month.
    Thanks mate.
     
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    Hey Stimpy,

    I don't mind parting with the gear. Just let me know how I can get it to you. Actually, I am planning a skiing trip to NZ later this year, so I can bring it over then if you like. Planning on skiing either Mt Hutt, or the Remarkables.

    Fancy a game of tennis while I'm there!?
     
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    Cool! let's keep in touch when it gets closer to you coming to NZ or me going to Australia. Then we can sort something out. My email addy is stimpy_bum@yahoo.com send me an email then I'll have your address. Cheers!
     
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  32. Stimpy

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    Hi Radical.
    I just strung my wives 03 and it turned out quite good. I ended up using a two string job as I didn't realise the racket had a left side right side orientation. I did not know how to read Princes stringing instructions.
    http://www.princetennis.com/product/product_detail.asp?CategoryID=192&Product=1398
    I used 17L Gamma strings. Probably not the best strings in the world but they'll do for my first string job. I've got a couple of questions for you.
    Do you have trouble pulling the strings Throat end at the start near the middle on the Oliver? Do you have to "double pull" because of string stretch? I calibrated it to pull 67lbs using a digital fish scale, I figure I'll lose about 5lbs but using Marc Rotigg FreqMess program and adjusting for real tension I actually ended with string bed at 53lbs. Does that sound about correct to you? Thanks!!
     
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  33. Ljubicic for number1

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    Hey Stimpy, From memory the starting bid was quiet high around the $800 mark, It didnt sell no bids.

    Congratulations on the first few stringing jobs... How long is it taking you?
     
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    The Tennis raquet took quite a while like 4 hours only because I stuffed up a few times and had to start again. Just getting used to using the clamps to start the job and getting used the machine itself. It's something you've got to do to learn I reckon can't watch a video and say you can do it. And reading about it is a waste of time even with pictures. Anyway hope to get the time down to 30mins per racquet eventually.
     
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    Sorry to necro but does anyone have more info on this stringer? Im looking at one soon and not sure if it's worth it.

    Thanks
     
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  36. Radical Shot

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    Hey bigred1910,

    I own one and love it. I string a couple of racquets each week. It is rock-solid and the best design - so quick to string with.

    However, I have customized mine somewhat. I've put a modern 6-mount head on it which I got from a Klip gravity pro (I think). The head fits perfectly into the body of the Oliver and it's now the best of both worlds - modern head, foot-operated gravity pull.

    I can take a few pictures if you like. Also have spares for the Oliver if you need them...
     
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    Fantastic ill definately grab it then. So eone is selling one in my area for about 50.

    Did u grab sone floating clamps for yours or was the clamp thats on it fine for a 2 piece string job, everything ive read said it was designed for a 1 piece job in mind
     
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  38. Chotobaka

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    Yes, pics please. I would love to see your modified machine. Sounds great.
     
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    OK, sorry about the delays. Here's some pics.

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    Original Oliver base and drop-weight system, with modern "Klip gravity pro" head on it. The Klip spindle fits perfectly into the hole. Used a big nut as a washer/spacer.

    Mounted it onto a dolly board I found at the hardware shop (Bunnings in Aus.) 4 Wheels makes it easy to move around. Perfect height for me.


    Original manual

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    Love the description here. It reads at the bottom.

    "Purchases of Oliver Stringing Machines are assured of a distinct advantage over their competitors. Besides having a machine with no equal in performance, they also have a show piece that creates tremendous interest."

    True!

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    And, you get the girls...I think this might be Ken Rosewall.


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    And one more...

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    Very nice you should list this in the photo stringer thread.
     
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    Oliver Machine Revisited

    It's been a few years since I bought my Oliver and I have strung a few racquets now and I think this is a great machine and does a good job in my opinion. Now I am thinking of up-grading the mounting system and wonder where I can get a 6-point mounting system with clamps at a reasonable price. Thanks everyone.
     
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  43. Radical Shot

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    Hey Stimpy!

    Great to hear you're still stringing! I'm still stringing a few racquets each week and the Oliver machine is just great.

    Easy, fast and accurate. Hasn't missed a beat since I got it...and I've strung hundreds of racquets of all sorts with it.

    I couldn't imagine it without a 6-point head.

    I think any 6-point head from another machine will fit (or could be made to fit), so keep an eye out on auction sites etc for one.

    Once you get the 6-point head, you'll love it and won't regret.

    If you're going to play tennis forever, you may as well invest I say...
     
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    Thanks for your reply and encouragement. I will keep an eye out and see what I can come up with.
     
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