Olivier Rochus: Holler out to the little guy!

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  1. goober

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    All 5'5" of him taking down Carlos Moya 6'3"

    Amazing win considering Rochus has a weak serve as well as a rather weak 1 bh by pro standards.

    I like how Mac kept bringing up his height during the match.

    "Moya should take advantage of his height"

    "You can't lose 6 straight service games to somebody 5'5"



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  2. ezdude1970

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    too bad i did not see that match, i would have enjoyed every second of it. little ***** (Moya) was getting spanked by the midget, freaking classic Moya chokkker!!!
     
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  3. nyu

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    Rochus is one of the most underestimated players on tour simply because of his height. I saw the guy practice yesterday, and he can crush the ball on his forehand side, and his backhand isn't a weakling stroke either. What most people don't know is that he can be one of the most aggressive players on tour as well, and has some of the best touch and most solid volleys out there(he won 90% of net approaches against Moya, who is a very solid passer.) Rochus also can serve the ball 110+ mph, and would probably serve faster if the trajectory of his serve made it possible. Yes he's short, deal with it. The guy can play with anyone in the world. Calling him a midget is uncool.
     
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  4. callitout

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    i agree with NYU. He's a little person neither midget nor dwarf. Go persons of littledom.
     
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  5. tennisfreak

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    I have a feeling Johny Mac may have some complex with his height as well, being "only" 5' 11". I was not suprised at all that he made comments about Olivier's height. Makes him feel good about himself, I guess.

    Oh yeah, that "midget" Olivier is a world class player who is better than most people can ever dream to be. That "midget" would probably triple bagel you without a sweat. He possesses a pretty big forehand and also a pretty decent backhand. His serve is not huge but his placement is phenomenal. Carlos Moya couldn't make a dent in his serve for most of the match. He is superb at net as well. (Won french open doubles title.) I'm sure that there are a lot of height challenged tennis players out there who appreciate his victory. Myself included. :)
     
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  6. Cynnik

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    I really like how he plays. He reminds me of a shorter version of Chang, which is more impressive. A little fighter. It just goes to show that tennis is one of those sports that dont require you to be a physical specimen. As long as you have skill and work hard, it goes a long way.
     
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  7. TwistServe

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    The guy may be short but he's got some power... Obviously his power isn't in the same level of Roddick, Gonzo, and Fed.. but he's got some pop on his forehand and backhand..

    His serve isn't great but hey, he's only 5'5.. you can't expect to have a great serve.

    All in all, Roccus moves well and strikes the ball well.. hmm maybe he should talk to Hewitt
     
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  8. AndyC

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    hehe.. this thread is funny.. one can almost picture the various posters and how tall they are :)
     
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  9. pound cat

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    Besides Santoro, Rochus is Safin's bete noir. it amazes me that he has a 13/20 record for the year. A great match and the NY crowd loved it.
     
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  10. goober

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    LOL, I never thought I would ever hear somebody described as a shorter version of Chang :lol: 8)
     
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  11. ibelieveinliquidmetal

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    He gets his power from his tremendous grunt. Power to the short!!! (I'm about 5'4" still growing hopefully)
     
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  12. guernica1

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    Actually in an interview once Federer said he thought Rochus had one of the best 1 handed backhands on tour.

    I too don't understand why Mac brings up the height issue in almost every match he comments on. Pete had the best serve ever probably and he was nowhere close to being the tallest guy, for crying out loud.

    By his standards it should have been Flipper getting the golden set off Rochus and not the other way around.
     
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  13. Hewittfan22

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    Go SHORTIES, I am only 5'6 i am so proud of him Go ROCHUS
     
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  14. !Tym

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    Sampras had abnormally long arms though. It's like in basketball. They don't just measure a player's height in pre-draft camps, they measure their wing span. I mean you literally have some shorter players like Marcus Banks who practically have a seven footer's wingspan. That can definitely make a difference in getting your shot off, length on defense, steals, blocks, etc. It's the same in tennis in a way, long arms mean more leverage.

    Also, Sampras actually made contact with the ball about 2 or 3 inches higher than the noticeably taller Rusedski on the serve from what I recall from a Tennis One analysis.

    So although he might not have been the tallest guy, his actual point of contact was certainly high enough.

    As far as Rochus goes, he's an incredibly fiesty and game player. If you're not 100% ready to play or confident, he's gonna eat you up.

    I think he goes for his shots more than Chang, and is every bit as fast...albeit without Chang EXTENSIVE reach, lol. I don't think he's as consistent as Chang though.

    What they really share in common though is that they'll fight you till they've broken your will.

    Moya definitely did not have his best stuff today, but as is always the case with him, when he doesn't have his best stuff, he doesn't give his best fight. He's a tennis "pretty boy," in my opinion. Fights hard only when he's on. When he's not, he looks hapless and uninspired and lackadaisical as he did today. Sure, he did not tank, but a mediocre effort is a mediocre effort no matter how spin it or look at it. On this day, Rochus simply wanted it more. Rochus WILLED his way to victory as Chang in his prime so often did.

    Had Moya dug deeper, he would have won this even not at his best HITTING level.

    As far as Rochus' backhand goes, I think he can clonk it and is able to defend pretty darn well with it from precarious positions given his height. It's amazing that at his height he can handle Moya's heavy top as well as he does. Did you see that killer backhand approach on match point? That was high for him, but he stepped in and charged right through it, attacking all the way. That is about as a hard a shot to coordinate and hit as it gets for a one-hander, and he executed it like it was nothing, like he had been doing it his whole life...which is why I'm a little dissapointed in McEnroe saying that Rochus isn't as talented as Moya. ...HELLO?

    Rochus does more with his tiny frame than quite possibly any player his height EVER has on the tour level. Heck, Rochus was originally listed at 5'4" when he first came up, so who knows if 5'5" is even an accurate, maybe it's just an exaggeration like Chang's height was?

    Rochus and his brother Christophe are two of the most talented, electric, pound for pound, tennis players out there...their timing and racket head speed are simply phenomenal. It's like in the NBA, you have to be THAT much more talented to compensate if you're short...just look at that little waterbug Earl Boykins and tell me he's not as talented as a budding star like the TOWERING Tony Parker (lol)...sure he is, he's just nowhere as tall.

    It's like with Arazi and Federer. They always say Federer is just a more talented version of him when they play, and I don't buy that. I think it's more a case of Arazi is a SHORTER version of him.

    To me, they're exactly the same player with exactly the same attributes and exactly the same athleticism and exactly the same mental failities and vulnerabilities...it's just that Arazi's not as tall, and hence doesn't have quite as much power, or reach at net, or margin for error on the serve or on his groundies...but other than that, yes, they are the same from a pure and raw talent standpoint.
     
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  15. !Tym

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    As an example, take Deavan George of the NBA. He's a competent run of the mill NBA player with a decent contract. Earl Boykins makes about the same, and is 5'5", and is also a run of the mill NBA player (i.e. not a srub but not a superstar).

    With that said, Deavan George was 5'11" when he came to college...that's why he went to a division THREE college and drew no real interest from DI teams...which are supposed to be a prerequisite for the pros. Then, a funny thing happened on the way to getting his ho-hum, mundane small college degree. Deavan George grew eight inches in about one year at college. 6'7" later, and he's now in the NBA.

    Without that growth spurt, there is absolutely NO WAY he would have ever gotten to the NBA. Quite simply, he's just not talented enough. At 5'11" he was talented, but nowhere near talented enough to be taken seriously by DI scouts who all passed him by, and for good reason.

    I mean look at how Grosjean was given up on by the French federation because they said he was too short, and now he's clearly their #1 player. The thing is, the French federation was probably statisically right in their decision. Given more opportunities to make the same decision, and I wager that they would most likely be right more often than not. It's like with Andy Roddick, he was good but not great junior player who competed with ferocious intensity. Without his significant growth spurt and power wattage explosion to compliment his world class mental toughness/fight/heart, I honestly believe he would be at the very best a top 50 player, but more likely a fringe tour/challenger level player like so many other good but not great American juniors of the past decade or so.

    But the bottom-line is that it takes a very special talent to rise as far as the Rochus brothers have given their height. The proof is in the results. How many other world class pros do you see of comparable height? Call yourself a genius who sees something there that isn't...because there just isn't. The Rochus brothers defy nature, defy the rules, defy what is possible for players of their stature. So in my mind, pound for pound they are the top two ranked men's players in the world at their respective heights; and Roger Federer is the top ranked 6'1" player in the world; and Moya is one of the top 6'3" players in the world. By that standard, I do not possibly know how McEnroe can FAIRLY determine that Olivier Rochus is less talented than Carlos Moya.
     
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  16. Feña14

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    That match was amazing, really nice to see little people doing well on tour. I myself am 165cm's tall and I wish I could serve like he does!!

    -Liam
     
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  17. guernica1

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    Tym (or should I say, SpecialK??), Olivier was actually listed at 5' 3" when he first came on tour although I think he was 18 then. i think you are right though he looks shorter than 5' 5" having stood next to him.
     
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