One 18x20 to rule them all.

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  1. -Bobo-

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    Hey guys just trying to see if theres a consensus on the best 18x20 MP.

    While i try to figure out how to make a poll, the options are

    Prestige MP
    Bio200
    4d 200
    Redondo MP
    P1 18m
    315 ltd 18m
    x dual platinum
    six one 95 18m
    Blade 18m
     
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  2. Xonemains

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    That my friend would be the legendary PT57A

    Hands down the best 18 x 20 and far too expensive
     
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  3. -Bobo-

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    Yeah I figured as much but looked at the prices and at the end of the day I don't want to reward head for making inferior versions for the public and pretending they're the same things.
     
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  4. Xonemains

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    The ig prestige mp is starting to get closer the the pt630 though.

    But agree with you, pro stock should be available to the public at a higher price,

    People would still buy them.
     
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  5. -Bobo-

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    Well the tecnifibre 315's seem to be along those lines. Light racquets with room for customisation and a few people who know their pro stock sticks say the feel is there.

    The only reason I haven't already bought a pair is don't want to customize myself.
     
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  6. Arize

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    Best 18x20 racquet ever made aside from PT57A (Pro Tour) is the intelligence prestige mid plus also known as PT57E these two racquets in 18x20 will never be topped. The PT57A has the best feel hands down but really lacks power. The i.prestige mp has feel and it has power so in theory the i.prestige aka PT57E is ever better.
     
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  7. Joonas

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    I would add PK QTour 295 in the list. It is lighter than traditional players specs but truly impressive.
     
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  8. -Bobo-

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    Isn't the qtour 295 16x19
     
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  9. Gee

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    Qtour 295 is also available with a 18x20 string pattern.
     
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  10. Xonemains

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    LoL, don't want to sound mean or anything since you're quite new,

    But that's a funny FAIL, :)
     
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  11. Xonemains

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    Oh crap, I just failed myself,

    Thanks a lot Gee
     
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  12. ilovetennis212

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    Six one 95.
    It's a good one.
    A lot of pros use it too
     
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  13. Joonas

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    Failing is prerequisite for development, no worries.
    OT: I might be new to this board but not so within this sport.
     
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  14. hrstrat57

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    I have a bit of experience with Head 18x20 frames....

    For my game the best I have hit and I am lucky enough to own a matched pair is the Head i Radical MP L5 Made in Austria.

    The only modification I made is 4" lead at 3/9 and TW leather grip. Perfection.

    Can't disagree tho on the i Prestige MP (PT57E) brilliant frame!
     
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  15. maxrenn

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    It might not be the best but the Bio 300T is a contender no, epecially when modified? Or is 97" out of the running?
     
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  16. Centryx

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    Radical twin tube zebras!
     
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  17. Seth

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    I'm a big fan of the 6.1 95 18x20 frames. Every generation is great.

    However, the most utilitarian frame (most good for the most people) would have to be the Radical MP.
     
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  18. vandre

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    is it okay if we call you bobo baggins?
     
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  19. spinovic

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    +1

    Can't believe it took that long.
     
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  20. RollTrackTake

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    I've never been an 18x20 guy but in the last couple years I've tried a few out. The Tecnifibre 315 Ltd 18M was better overall than the Donnay Pro 1 18x20 (& Donnat X-Dual Pro) and the other 18x20 I gave serious run with, the Dunlop F3.0 Tour. The 315 beat the Dunlop on feel and I felt they were equal in terms of power & spin. The Pro 1 had a good feel but lacked the power for me. Side note, my Prince Precision Response OS has a 18x21 pattern and I'd call that my favorite!
     
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  21. LeeD

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    Best 18x20 racket is the one you are playing well with.
    Worse 18x20 racket is the one you play real bad with.
    Regardless of maker, model, or strings.
     
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  22. sundaypunch

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    Asking what 18x20 is best is like asking what car is the best. Or what kind of ice cream is the best. It will depend on your preferences. One racquet does not fit all.
     
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  23. -Bobo-

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    I get that best is subjective that's why I asked in general to see what most people who use 18x20's prefer, hence the consensus. Also in regards to what I play best with would probably use a leaded up prestige MP or six one tour 90 but my arm falls apart serving with those two . Best overall performance has been the bio200, except my first serve went from like 190-200 km/h to like 160, don't know why just couldn't get any pace with it.

    I'm starting to think i should just made it current production or at the very least racquets that are easy to get at the moment.

    Interesting about the donnay p1 being lower powered compared to the tec and dunlop. Figured it would be higher given the sweetspot/power potential map on the TW tools.

    - Bobo Baggins, The Shire, Bag End :)
     
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  24. -Bobo-

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    Also in regards to the six one 95, how's the comfort, most people I've talked to have said that they are stiff so I never bothered.
     
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  25. RollTrackTake

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    This could have been attributed to string set up. The X-Dual Pro was strung with Donnay hybrid at around 55lbs. The 315 I had strung with Volkl Cyclone Tour at 48lbs
     
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  26. TheBoom

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    What about the IG speed 18x20? The thing is a monster! But out of those options definitely he blade 18x20
     
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  27. ProRadTour

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    The old school Head 18 x 20's are definitely the best. I would rate the Head frames in this order IMO:

    1. Head Radical Tour (Twin Tube) (Candycane paint job is probably best option to go for if you are looking for a second hard frame as it has a lighter swing weight than the Zebra paint job. The Zebra is a beast of a racquet to handle).
    2. Head i.Prestige MP
    3. Head Pro Tour

    Splitting hairs with the list above and just my personal opinion.

    With the Head Frames, they have a feel and a dwell time that is very unique and that has not been replicated really in other frames I have tried. The i.Prestige is probably the best all round choice as it is stiffer more powerful but still provides that classic Head Flex and Feel.

    Of the modern frames I have tried, IMHO the Technifiber 315 Ltd 18M is the best. It super solid with basically zero vibration. The fact that it is light enough to modify is also a massive positive. You can also change the pallets on the handle so you can use the Head Shaped pallets that the frame comes with or change it to the Wilson Style shape with the Head S pallets.

    I also have used the IG Prestige MP, very good frame but not as good the 315 ltd. Just missing the overall solidness compared to the 315 ltd, really has to be modified. Even then there is still something missing with the frame.

    The latest Blade 98 18M, is a very good offering however I found too stiff for my liking. Easy access to power and super easy frame to play with. The stiffness really helps with serving bombs. If you like a stiffer feel in 18 x 20 hard to beat. A personal peeve of mine with Wilson is the poor quality control. Also feel the build quality of their frames is not as good and Head, Tecnifiber and Dunlop with the exception of Wilson's Pro Staff series.

    Play tested the Six One 95 18M, in comparison to the Blade not as solid IMO. Good frame, however it is stiff. Again a good offering you like the stiffer feel.

    Have played the Bio 200, again good frame, very solid just didn't gel with me. Even though it has a low stiffness rating, to me it played stiffer than the reported rating.

    I have played with the IG Radical PRO and it comes close to providing the flexy head classic feel. Unfortunately, I haven’t played the IG Radical MP so maybe that frame should be on your list. But you probably would have to modify it, as the static weight is quite low.

    So, if you want a great frame 18 x 20 that is readily available you can’t go past the 315 Ltd. It is closest thing to acquiring a pro stock frame for regular consumers. If you don’t want to modify yourself and you know the specs that you like you can have TW modify the frame for you when you purchase. Otherwise I would try hunt down some second hand Head frames. No point paying an arm and a leg for PT57A/E unless you have the money to blow.

    I am personally now playing with the 315 ltd, so I may be a little biased. To me it’s like a modern updated release of the old classic head frames. It plays stiffer, has a little more power but it is still has a soft feel and very solid vibration free response. Hard pressed to find anything better.

    Another option to consider is the Angell/Vantage (63RA) Frames. I have yet to try them, from the posts I have read they produce a great quality frame that plays stiffer than the Head Classic Frames but still have comfortable solid feel. With Angell you can configure your frame on order with the custom specs for weight, balance and swing weight. So you don't have to worry about modifying the frame yourself.
     
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  28. Hankenstein

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    Amen to that! Those words was the best and most accurate i have read for a long time on TT :)
     
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  29. Tmano

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    Eventually I will put my hands on one of those racquet!
     
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  30. realplayer

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    blx blade as long as it is customized to my specs. It needs some leadtape.
     
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  31. Tmano

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    Now I really have to get both racquets! I'm tired to hear such great things about them and not being able to hit with any of them.:)
     
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  32. Gee

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    Very nice read!

    I played with IG Prestige MP, Vantage 95" 63RA and I am waiting for my TF315 ltd 18x20 that I bought second hand recently.

    I completely agree your comment on the IG Prestige MP. So I am very curious about that special feel of the TF315 ltd!
     
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  33. maxrenn

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    Hmmm, TF315 ltd 18x20 doesn't seem to be available at UK stores :(
     
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  34. -Bobo-

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    Sigh, so frustrating the way head's frames have declined. The top three you mentioned everyone loves and yet you can't get a hold of, at least not new, unless you're willing to pay anywhere from $300-600 per frame.

    I've tried the rad pro, feels wierd, not sure if it's the balance, but there is some hollowness there which I'm not a fan of. If I'm honest if I could get my usual serve with the bio200 I probably would just use that.

    Wilsons have always given me arm problems on the serve, though I always liked the results on court, but in the interest of longevity they're not really an option.

    Had a Vantage 95 frame, solid, but plays really stiff (no pain, just stiff response) and worst of all the feel was way too muted for my liking, but my tastes have changed so who knows.

    I've pretty much narrowed it down to either the tec 18m or the redondo MP. I asked TW which frame would be best if you were after comfort, control, plowthrough in that order, and Andy recommended the redondo. I might see if I can find a couple used classic head sticks but i think it would be easier to just get either the tec or redondo and support and encourage companies that are still producing quality frames instead of wasting time and effort hunting the past glories of HEAD.

    Cheers,

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  35. Centryx

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    the twin tube is an awesome racquet something you can do o make them lighter is cut down an xl version they still crush tne ball at about 20 grams less!
     
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  36. basil J

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    BB Melbourne- Current Frame
    Dunlop 200GMW-The standard of excellence
    Redondo MP-Comfy, low powered excellent accuracy
    Wilson ncode 6.1 95-Controlled power-Great frame
    All good ones, Love the Becker Melbourne, Just solid in every area.
     
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  37. HRB

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    Radical Tour MP Twin Tube Zebra!!! Same mold and feels like a nice comfortable flexy extension of my arm!!!!
     
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  38. HRB

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    Nice to see you representing our beloved Radical Tour Mp's man!

    Thanks for the advice and pallet btw...worked perfect on that Speed MP...which coincidentally feels like a stiff piece of crap in the 18x20 version (16x19 is fun).
     
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    Sounds simple, but oh so true.
     
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  40. EastAngels2014

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    prestige Mp. My racket of choice.
     
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  41. ProRadTour

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    Bobo, There are still decent deals out there if you have a little patience, I have had a quick look at a popular destination for finding second hard frames and there are some Head Classics I would buy right now if I didn't already have them.
     
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  42. The Vitamin L

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    I'm really liking the Blade, nice feel, solid control, light weight, and good pop.
     
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  43. BLX_Andy

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    Six.One 95
     
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  44. HRB

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    So let me get this straight...your 16x18 Six One is your favorite 18x20????

    Are you talking about an 18x20 version of the Six One of did you just space cadet the post?
     
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  45. sundaypunch

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    I would guess he's talking about the 18x20 since they make one. It's the Pro Staff 95 that doesn't come in an 18x20
     
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  46. BLX_Andy

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    Well I demoed the 18x20 and loved it. I just like the 16x18 more. Sorry for not clarifying :)
     
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  47. rossi46

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    Boris Becker 11 325, very underrated racquet.
     
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  48. Arafel

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    Take this for what it's worth, but after demoing the Blade 98 18x20, I feel like I've finally found a racquet I'm willing to give up my beloved Ultra 2 for.
     
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  49. -Bobo-

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    Im actually more interested in the 18x16 blade than the 18x20, really paranoid about the wilsons though i love them so my arm does not, but maybe the 18x16 will be soft enough. Still trying to figure out whether to go the tec or redondo route, not really sure which way to go, though if i wait a bit the 18x16 might add another contender depending on the comfort.
     
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  50. Bdarb

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    I'm surprised the babolat pure storm ltd. didn't get a nod at all. I hated 18x20 frames until I tried this. Couldn't settle on one frame for the longest time, then I picked up a couple of the old bumble bee ps ltd. haven't looked back since, great control, feel and the specs are great for customizing. Plus, I picked up three new versions (the gt) and they hit exactly the same. So glad they didn't mess with it. I'd have to be very impressed with a frame to hang those up.
     
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