One handed backhand thread. Put up or shut up. Let's see video of people's 1hb

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  1. Avles

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    Well here's my iffy backhand, mostly topsin with a few slices thrown in-- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e426kwOu75s

    It's an ok shot when I can time it right,but I have some trouble controlling both vertical trajectory and L/R placement, and it tends to be late against incoming pace. So I end up reverting to slice as a default in matches and using the topspin mainly for passing shots or when I have lots of time to prepare.

    Looking at this video I think I probably need more knee bend, more rotation into the shot, and more efficient/consistent footwork and prep. Maybe a higher takeback as well. I felt like the backhands I hit at 2:41 and 2:44 were a a little more like what I should be going for. Any comments welcome...
     
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  2. psv255

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    Feels like the first thing you might want to focus on is connecting torso and arm, and rotate both as a unit; as of now, you are completely arming it. A good cue I've seen here on TW which may help is placing a tennis ball under your arm, and keeping it there until just before contact when you hit your backhand.
    2:41 is better weight transfer, but still all arm...
     
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    Looking really good! Maybe just a bit wider base and knee bend would give you some more stability. Love the forehand too!
     
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    I just found this thread. Ageed.

    I have a 1bh but as an 1.0 I'll sit back and learn from these masters.

    Maybe one day, even without Tony the stringer, I'll strike enough courage to attempt a topspin backhand.
     
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    I'm lmao right now.
     
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  7. BevelDevil

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    You're letting go of the throat too soon.

    Use your left hand to drop the rackethead below the ball and only let go once you start with the forward swing. Compare with this vid:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqBEErW0vTA#t=4m57s

    The link jumps to the relevant section, but you should watch the whole video. (You can also find a 2-part series by this same guy, which is good.) Make sure you understand the "power position" concept.

    On the forward swing, let your shoulders pull your arm and racket forward.

    It also helps to straighten your arm earlier in the swing, before you let go. You'll get a more consistent and powerful swing pretty quickly that way.
     
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    if you don't put up you have to shut up.
     
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    Looks great! Love the acoustics of the court, sounds like you have a cannon! :)
     
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    Great advice, thanks! I will work on this.



     
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    Here's yet an other video:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=_m7Aj5eFWaA

    It does provide plenty of evidence to support Cheetah's advice regarding a three-step rotation which pauses when facing the net. The player begins to rotate his spine again when his racket side upper arm hits his chest (in more technical terms, there's a combination of internal rotation and protraction which brings the upper arm as far as it can without the player to rotate).

    Basically, you should aim at facing the net AT contact and allow yourself to rotate PAST contact and it shouldn't be hard because your chest will be in your arm's way during the follow-through, unless you move.
     
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    Ah maybe but I'm no where near as good as the experts on here. Wish I was though, well maybe one day if my post count reaches over 5000 posts or so...
     
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    tennis_balla - Looks like a very fluid and dependable stroke, no idea why you would say it sucks.
     
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    He's being sarcastic :p

    The guy's good and a coach if I'm not mistaken.
     
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  17. Pickle9

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    maybe that's my problem... i don't slow down enough?

    i mean, jolly says my swing is slow, but maybe it's not slow enough.

    brilliant.
     
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  18. J011yroger

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    Still no video from the usual suspects...

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    It is good of you to be honest and admit that compared to the forum master-debaters here, you are but a noob. Scientists have confirmed direct causal relationship between the posts made here and improvements in one's tennis game. However, you need to practice proper tennis posting techniques for your game to magically improve on the courts.
     
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    Yes, my swing is so fast lit looks like I'm sitting in my chair, drinking 7-11 Double Big Gulp but in reality I just hit a beautiful 1bh. You have much to learn grasshopper.
     
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    jolly, Dennis, et al.

    I believe I hit with you guys a couple times last summer..

    figured out from your videos.

    regards
     
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  22. Rogael Naderer

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    GOAT post!
     
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    Oh good you're awake.
     
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  24. J011yroger

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    Yup.

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  25. Pickle9

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    Yea. Spotted you at nats to in December.
     
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  26. Cheetah

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    I'd post a vid but I don't have a camera. If anyone here that lives in or is going to be in San Diego with a camera I'd be happy to be filmed.

    ... and my backhand is 'understandable' so there's no problem there. lol.
     
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    Oh come now, you must know someone with a cell phone less than five years old...

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  28. boramiNYC

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    meh, it was rather uninspired performance..still trying. gotta hit with you guys again sometime.
     
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    No way, I will forever be silenced and brushed aside. I am no where near their level of masturb.... I mean master debating. I will lurk and learn from the best here. It's an old boys club and we're not invited.
     
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    Sure, just shoot me a text when the weather warms up.

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    Don't worry, I can carry the flag for you. I will bring my massive lexicon, dazzling intellect, and witty repartee to bear wherever knob jockeys need to be put in their place.

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  32. RoddickAce

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    Thanks for the advice guys! I will definitely look into the things you guys pointed out and see what my next step should be.
     
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  33. tennis_balla

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    Yes, but can you hit a Federer-like one handed backhand from the comfort of your mom's basement?
     
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    Can't everyone?

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    No, we're not the elite, the 1%'ers but I will stop talking now otherwise the TTW Illuminati will get me banned.
     
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    Poor naming convention on their part, most are not very bright.

    I motion that their name be changed to the TTW Diminati, Mr. Bentley Harrington III seconds the motion.

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  38. sabala

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    Made a vid with Kinovea comparing my BH to Edberg's. Low bouncing ball around knee height. Lol, Edberg has a huge backswing!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEyBven0Uho

    btw, Kinovea is a lot of fun - gonna be spending too much time with that from now on...
     
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    Hi Borami,

    Yes, I hit with a Borami once at Ike last summer so I assume that it is you.

    How many Borami, from NYC , with a 1bh can there be, right? If you are ever on the island...
     
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    I'll try to get a video of mine up in the next week, I'd love some critique. I'm rusty coming off of a tour in Germany where I didn't have many opportunities to play but I'm quickly getting my timing back. @Jo11y, have you ever posted vids of yourself playing? I've always wanted to see and I may be retarded at searching but I haven't been able to find anything.
     
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  41. Cheetah

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    Have any vids of your bh where you're not hitting a low ball?

    edit: nvm. found one. i remember that from last year.
     
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    Thanks

    Thanks, this is useful (and it is not even my BH), the thread is helping me despite its goal being something else.
     
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    Sure, lots. I don't want to post them here since I am a two hander. Check my Basalt Wars thread.

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    Roger that, thanks!
     
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    seriously. if only people posted videos for all their claims
     
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    what claims are you referring to? i don't see anyone making claims about how good their 1hbh is.
     
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    Cool thread. Enjoying watching some really good amateur 1HBHs and reading the tips and witty exchanges. I don't give advice, am very inexperienced (about two years, and much of that was in 1975-76), and a very low level player (1HBH needs lots of work). But I love to post and watch videos. Hit today for the first time in almost two months. (Sidelined by Crohn's disease.) Have nothing recent to post, but here's some stuff from several months ago. There are lots of really good 1HBHanders posting in this thread, so I'm looking for any tips you want to offer. Keep it simple though.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XE6SFXZDsc0
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQ7Yuq4spD8
     
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  48. Cheetah

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    idk... looks pretty good to me. seems to be working for you. not sure how much you can use your legs. maybe try to get under it more if possible. close the face a little?

    I think it's fine. lot of good shots in there. I think most of the advice you would get here would be things that would require a style change and too much work. I say keep it the way it is. If you want to work on something with it maybe try to get a little more top by getting under it more with a more neutral or very slightly closed face.
     
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  49. BevelDevil

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    Your topspin 1hbh looks a bit like Ivan Lendl's -- the way you takeback from underneath, and the way you keep a bend in your arm throughout the swing. You do a good job keeping a stable arm structure.

    As you mentioned in your video, eventually you should take the racket back further and higher.

    Also, you should step into the shot more with your right foot. There are a few back-to-back shots where your right foot never moved. Even if the ball is coming right back at you, you should step back with your left and hover with your right, just so you can step back in with your right. Actively seek out the ball with your right foot so you can get more weight transfer.

    Doing both of the above will create more power, so if possible, stand back further from the wall and let it bounce twice. Using a wall and one bounce can create some bad habits.

    Lastly, you might want to let your arm follow through more. You can do this by throwing both arms back when you let go with your left hand. (Right now, you're keeping your left hand up after you let go.)

    Overall, it looks good.


    Here's a video of Ivan:

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQIrH-wfO6k#t=0m41s
     
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    Thanks Cheetah. I know you're right about using the legs better and getting lower. My laziness (physical and mental) due primarily I think to a relatively low fitness level is the major culprit to improvement I think. Hadn't thought much about closing the racquet face a little more. I'm going to focus on that and see if it helps. I like that both of your suggestions can be implemented without a style change.

    Thanks BevelDevil. I think your suggestions make a lot of sense and will definitely explore them with focus as I'm working to improve my fitness. Oh, also thanks much for the Lendl video. It's a keeper. I just might try to consciously pattern my backhand after his to whatever extent I'm able. His quickness, reflexes, fitness, explosiveness, etc. are out of reach, but at least maybe I can more closely approximate his "U" racquet prep with a higher take back than mine at the apex of the backswing, his footwork and positioning, how low he gets via bending the knees, and the way he steps into the ball.
     
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