One handed backhand thread. Put up or shut up. Let's see video of people's 1hb

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  1. dennis10is

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    Provide link to thread where you accused me of "going on about my semi western grip backhand".

    Again, provide the evidence.

    I'm old, I don't recall taling about my strokes. So, please remind me by providing the link.

    I have replied to a question stating that my grip on my back hand ranged from extreme eastern forehand to extreme eastern backhand. Never did I claim that this is better or that anyone should do this. I was stating what grips I used when asked. If this is "going on", please remind me by providing the link.
     
  2. sureshs

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    No it isn't
     
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    This is from somebody who has a profession and can't afford the time to play all these tournaments and of course, he or his peers can't afford $30 for a video.
     
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    I concur. Sound instruction and execution are far from mutually inclusive, and perhaps there is, to some extent, a tradeoff between the two. There are so many factors that may hinder translating someone's understanding of technique to their own game that there's not much value in seeing them play beyond ensuring that they aren't complete 1.0 trolls, which the forum would probably find out regardless.

    I won't go as far as to say "Those who can't, teach," but invaluable insight does not have to come from a professional tennis player or coach.

    For what it's worth, like anything else on the internet, try out people's advice at your own discretion.
     
  5. luvforty

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    wonna bet if we see vid before it ends? lol
     
  6. dennis10is

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    The topic of this thread is Put up or shut up. Give advice but you have to put up a video demonstrating the advice, that is the shut up part. Apparently, many posters here can't shut up.
     
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    Thanks Greg. Here's a really short vid of one of my favorite ways to hit 'em.
    Note the little bouncy bouncy prior to prep, and the exquisite follow through and pronounced left hand vertical thumb pointy. :)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMQQSdS3y2M
     
  8. sureshs

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    Really what tournament would I be playing right now at 7:30 pm after work about to have dinner and when it is rained out? Or what tournament would I have played on Sunday when the whole day went in the kid's Science Olympiad? It is much easier to squeeze in a few posts especially with the low bar of this message board. Re: video, I am the sort who took 8 still pictures in all in a 7 day Hawaii vacation, and all of them on the same day. I believe in living life, not recording it.
     
  9. pkshooter

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    Never posting my own vid but....

    Sometimes I wonder how many people actually watched Bambi. Take it from my man thumper, dudes the rabbit version of Socrates. I was really looking forward to seeing some 1handers too.
    Sorry op :p
     
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    Jolly is a 3.5 in hiding. He's nowhere close to futures. But, if you say so. So, this Cheetah 4.5+ is going to double bageled a player who you believe is close to Futures? By that definition, Cheetah is 6.5+.

    If he's that good, we would all love to see him demonstrate his 1bh and give us insights on how to crush one. After 30 yrs of playing, I still can't hit topspin according to Tony the Stringer.
     
  11. sureshs

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    Where are you getting this from? I never said anything about cheetah and jolly playing.
     
  12. luvforty

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    nice slice... however the ball didn't know you did the bouncy bouncy though lol
     
  13. dennis10is

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    You live life by making 24 thousand posts on TW? 24 thousand posts. not hundred but thousands. Posting on TW is living La Vida Loca?

    I just got back from Vegas during Super Bowl weekend. took ten pics but I took some quick videos. You stand there, you point the lens, you press the red button.

    It rains every day? Hence, the 24K posts?
     
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    Well, Cheetah claimed that he would double bageled Jolly. If you think Jolly is close to Futures and you claim that Cheetah is 4.5+, I'm trying to make sense of the apparent contradiction.

    Are you by any chance disputing Cheetah's claim that he can double bagel Jolly? Are you suggesting that Cheetah knowingly lied about his abilities or are you suggesting that Cheetah believes that he's a 6.5+ but you believe he's only a 4.5+.

    To resolve the apparent contradiction between your claim about Cheetah's and Jolly's abiliy and Cheetah's claim about his and Jolly's abilites. You must either believe that Cheetah is a liar or according to you, delusional about his tennis abilities.

    If he a liar, why should others trust him when he gives advice. If he's delusional, why should others trust his advices.

    Bottom line, would you follow or consider the advice of somebody who is either a liar, delusional, or maybe both?
     
  15. luvforty

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    dennis you are old (as you claimed), and reading comprehension eroding...

    cheetah did put 'crap talk' disclaimer before the double bagel thing.
     
  16. WildVolley

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    Threads like these are funny. These boards have a mixture of good and bad advice, trolling, and even some serious disagreement among experts. Posting videos of good play doesn't really prove anything.

    I once saw a video posted on these boards of a guy named Novak Djokovic. Seemed he was a pretty good player, but I found a piece his advice - showing a lot of wrist flexion on the serve -questionable. Now, I don't think I could beat him, I get the impression he might be a little better than a 4.0, but I'm not sure that I'm going to adopt his wrist flexion advice.
     
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  18. Cheetah

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    haha. jeez. chill out everyone. just ignore dennis and maybe he'll go somewhere else. I never made any claims about how good I am. I don't go around posting about how awesome my game is.. until i said i could double bagel jolly.
    (and which i stand by :) hehehe).
    Still it wasn't insulting him. I just come here to help other players and talk tennis and debate technique. that's what i like to do. If dennis or anyone else questions my motives that's fine, I don't care. I give advice because I feel I can as there are a lot of posters asking for advice that. I don't recall any of them ever saying "please give me advice but i'll only take advice from someone who's posted a video here and that everyone agrees is a good player".
     
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    Your personal rating system is meaningless. Do you guys play sets or just hit? I can do all kinds of magic to the ball when I'm just hitting. It's all about matchplay, and Jo11y is playing a lot of USTA. To say "ill double bagel you" over the internet is lame. It made him look bad, and he got called on it. I do like his posts, but he comes off like he is this amazing player so many of us want to see him hit.

    I expect to see a guy close to as consistent as Tennis Balla, who is one of the best players on this board to touch video IMO. Another great player is Aimr75. His strokes are awesome. Obviously TonLars is a great player who is probably the highest ranked on TT besides Filip, the celeb guest.

    There are a lot of other net wizards on here way worse than cheetah who tell people how to play and never show themselves hitting. Some have been banned. Some disappear. Others are clearly teachers who know their stuff (tricky, bungalo bill to name a few).

    There is nothing wrong with asking for video. Even LeeD got video posted, and by his own words is the poorest dude here. If you are going to talk like an expert, let's see what you got. That's all that's being asked, and I think it is fair.
     
  20. WildVolley

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    In defense of Oscar, I think that this is highly unfair. I know he may look young, but I don't think Oscar is a spring chicken.

    I don't think any of us doubt that Oscar probably ripped the ball a lot harder 30 or 40 years ago.
     
  21. boramiNYC

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    cool off a bit Dennis, I think cheetah is a good guy. it was obviously a crap talk as he said.
     
  22. sureshs

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    LeeD is 64 and has nothing better to do :)

    He claims to be a poor homeless guy living in a 79 Ford but buys 3 new frames from TW every year and just spent 3 weeks vacationing in Puerto Rico.
     
  23. luvforty

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    lol... no it wasn't an attempt to be unfair at all, just trying to make a point about the pointlessness of this thread.
     
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    Still he has you beat by one video..:twisted:.cmon dude. You have trolled the crap out of this place for years..lets see you hit some balls. I do remember you posted a pic once..best outfit ever..it was a Red Nike Fed thing I think...I dug it.
     
  25. Hi I'm Ray

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    +1 on this thread being rather pointless. From the wording in the original post, it just sounds like something the OP started after having a frustrating saturday night.

    A few posters give sound advice or suggestions, whether they have vids up or not. Its up to the reader to filter out the bad advice from the good.

    So some of the better players on here have videos showing they have good strokes and/or game but they almost never give any advice so what good does that do anyone.
     
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    mind you , the only recorded source for that claim is Oscar himself. Guga has never mentioned him.. (but then, let's not go there)
     
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    Getting back more to the topic of the thread, do you guys think people discuss technique minutia too much on this board?

    Almost every thread ends up being people debating about some incredibly specific and tiny bit of technique. "The forearm rotates passively and in conjunction with the unwinding of the core, noob!" Stuff that, like the OP was getting at, probably isn't productive to think about.

    Now, on the flip side, I think some posters are just being descriptive. They're saying "This is what happens" not "Here's what you need to do." In that case, I think the discussion is fine.
     
  28. Power Player

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    I would agree with this. A lot of things are over analyzed.
     
  29. Greg G

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    I must be the king of that! :)

    Seriously though, I do enjoy tinkering around and talking about the minutiae. It's not like I take that with me into a match. But I do like to make the most efficient use of my limited court time. And that means taking lots of video and analyzing it, if not right on court, then after. I would say that this approach has improved my strokes much better than if I were left to figure things out for myself.
     
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  30. luvforty

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    Well. It is Friday now
     
  31. Greg G

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    I understood it to be next Thursday. LOL
     
  32. Cheetah

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    speak for yourself.
    some people like analysis down to the nerve impulses. some people are visual learners and some people aren't. some people learn better with big picture methods like how Oscar teaches. some people like analogies, some don't. some people you have to actually grab their arms and show them how to move. some people benefit from computer analysis and bio-mechanic charting and some people i suspect get nothing from it.
    some people have to be yelled at and some people have to be cuddled.
    detailed analysis can be found on any sport technique forum... because some people like it and some people benefit from it.
     
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  33. rkelley

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    Wow. Go have some dinner and it's just a mess when you get back!

    Dennis, Cheetah hits a very good 1hbh - and forehand. He did in fact say to me last week that we should make a video. Suresh is correct in that he can hit some very pro level shots. OTHO no one's going to the USO this year, at least as a participant.

    Thejackle has also hit with him, and me, and suresh, and one other guy on the board whose screen name I've forgotten (I only remember is real name), so there are a group of us who have played together.

    If you don't like the advice then that's cool. If you ever get out to San Diego I'd be great to hook up and hit. It's just fun to hit the ball, isn't it?
     
  34. Cheetah

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    who is Aimr75? is that the guy that hits with his wife with the real nice bh?
     
  35. boramiNYC

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    Aussie dude that i commented looked like Fed the other day.
     
  36. Cheetah

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    ok nvm. i found him. i was thinking of that one guy who posts in the league forums sometimes. has a 1hbh and hits with his wife (who's off camera) but she hits really well and hard. In the vid the guy is wearing white and it looks like they are playing near a parking lot or something. Anyone know who that is?
     
  37. Cheetah

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    yea. found him. thx. nice strokes.
     
  38. zapvor

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    i wasnt referring to this thread. just about everywhere on Talk tenis people are saying this and that and this but noone ever shows proof. so its good that this thread is calling them out.
     
  39. zapvor

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    yea.....you just dissed yourself. all those threads and posts about how your serve is coming along.. it is 2013, wheres your video.

    oh yea, thats what i thought. keep posting
     
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    here is what i think. unless you are posting a video, stop with the comments/excuses/etc etc.

    its 2013. a cheap crap $20 cell phone can take video. or a friend has one. you know, the guy you are hitting with who is on court with you.
     
  41. Cheetah

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    Me, Borami, rkelly, and tons of other people here with no vids giving advice often post videos of pros when illustrating points and opinions. That's not enough proof? Would you rather us post videos of ourselves or a vid of powerplayer's strokes and say 'you should pronate here like powerplayer does'? Would that be better? Why does it matter whether the person posting is capable of executing the action or not? it's just opinions. Annacone would probably give totally different advice than Rodriguez.

    Do you go on movie forums and 'call out' people who critique movies and demand they post their own movies before they give opinions? John Yandell gives lots of good info on this site. He posts videos of pros when making his points. He has no videos of his strokes here. Maybe you guys should demand that he provide vids of his own strokes before he gives input too.

    Or maybe you guys could make your own invite-only tennis tips forum where only ppl that provide vids and go through your screening process are allowed to reply to tip requests.

    Yea you wana see our strokes. I get it. I want to see them too. I want to see borami and luvforty hit. But I"m not gona whine, complain, insult and 'call them out' because they haven't put up a vid. It's unnecessary. ... and lame.

    Borami gives good tips. I doubt he hits like fed. RKelly is the same level as me whatever level that is. He breaks my backhand down regularly. Makes me angry often. Yet no video from him either.
    RKelly and Borami, post a video or stop posting tips!!
     
  42. AbsoluTennis

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    i was hoping to see some more BH when i was clicking through 10+ pages of this thread :(

    can some1 tell me how to get a vid on youtube?
     
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    That wasn't so hard now was it?

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    Make an account, sign in, click the box that says "Upload," choose the video file you want to upload.

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    Unrelatedly, I think it is stupid that in American English the comma goes inside the quotation marks in my above post.

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    Poster Cl1ntrock aka Clinton Thompson was ranked as high as 466 and he hit with a OHBH
     
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    And gave his real name, and posted videos, but didn't dispense much advice

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  49. Pickle9

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    That's the point. At the level that someone makes countless posts giving advice I, and am sure many others, would like to see this person do what they're saying. What's wrong with wanting a demonstration? And I don't think you can argue that not being able to do it means you won't lose any credibility. Why wouldn't I listen to the homeless guy on corner telling me how to get rich fast?
     
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    This thread is now becoming the GOAT contender I once thought it could be.

    We all win.
     

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