One hit wonder

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  1. moshi2

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    I'm currently involved in some argument on other website. Just need some help from people here to get some input.

    1. He said Roddick & Hewitt are 1-hit wonder players. Means they only win 1-2 GS and became #1 for short time. I definitely say Roddick is not 1-hit wonder. Yes, he may only win 1 GS, but he's been in top 10 for a long time.

    2. He said a good age to be in player's peak is 20-24. I said it's more 22-26. 20 is too young, usually players are not matured yet.

    What do you guys think?
     
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    Neither one a one hit wonder
     
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    1. It's subjective, but I would say no, neither are "one hit wonders." Hewitt is not even a question with two Grand Slams, two YECs, two time year end #1 player, Davis Cup champ, etc. Yes, Roddick has only one Slam, but he's been a stalwart in the top ten for 8 straight years and counting and has been in several Slam finals, captured a few MS events, Davis Cup champ, etc. I would consider someone like Johansson or Gaudio a "one hit wonder."

    2. You're right - general consensus is a player's prime is 22-26. Any younger, the player usually might not be as consistent, sometimes struggle with shot selection, perhaps not be fully physically/mentally mature, etc. Any older, a player is still capable of producing their best on occasion, though might lose motivation, decline a little physically, have a harder time recovering after tough matches, etc.
     
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    Everyone usually measures tennis by slam totals. If that is the case, then Roger wins all arguments. But the one who can stand up to Roger is Laver with his two slam years. Hard to NOT put him up there with Roger. Not trying to start any debates here, just acknowledging greatness. Roger's stats are unreal, what is it....18 of 19 finals, 24 semi-finals in a row????......just not real. Then we have Rod's two slam years. Not one, but two....sheeesh.

    Now comes Andy Roddick if we are going to talk stats. I am still amazed about his Wimbledon final. What a match!!!.....wow. And the stat that sticks out in my mind is 39 straight holds against one of the greatest players of all time. This was done in a slam final. That was a monster effort. That stat puts you up there Andy Roddick. Not at the top mind you, but definitely not a one hit wonder. Nice job!
     
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    Depends on the player.

    Borg, Becker, McEnroe all hit their prims young and were not in their primes at all by 26..well Borg might have still been in but he retired. Prime depends on a player.

    Roddick is not a one hit wonder and Hewitt was number one for a damn long time...Hewitt might be one of the worst two year number 1s though..Only managed two slams, but nothing you can do. One hit wonders are guys like Gaudio, Johansson, Cash etc.
     
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    marcelo rios is a one hit wonder-albeit one of my fav players, still a one hit wonder
     
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    Michael Chang

    Michael Stich

    Plastic Bertrand
     
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    Sir, you just made my day !! :):):)
     
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  9. kimbahpnam

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    michael chang was just as consistent as roddick and a hofer
     
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    Verkerk and Carratero, now they were one hit wonders...
     
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    Suppose it boils down to semantics, doesn't it? Clearly the answer to whether they're one hit wonders depends on what it's being defined as, which will vary from person to person. Does only winning one slam make you a one hit wonder, or is tennis achievement taking into account more than that. It's up to the individual to decide.
     
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    gaudio is THE one slam wonder from the last couple of years, just as rios is the number one fluke.

    more names coming to my mind: costa, johansson

    korda is kindof a "two hit wonder" with his 1997/98 comeback.
     
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    Haha, Hewitt was number 1 for more than 80 weeks.
     
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    Plastic is da GOAT.
    Average peak age is 21-26 I think for slams.
    Roddick and Hewitt's careers have been devastated by Roger in terms of slams, especially the former. But no one-hit guys. Verkerk anyone ?
     
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    Roddick's career > Chang's career, and Roddick isn't done yet. He's been a better slam performer than Chang was, and he's won at least 1 title every year for 10 years, and he's been in the top 10 for 8 straight years (soon to be 9).

    I do agree though, I wouldn't call Chang a one hit wonder.
     
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    Bearing injury, Verkerk is no. 2 on GOATlist only behind Krajicek (bearing injury)
     
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  17. valiant

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    1 hit wonders could be those who won one slam but didnt mange to get into another slam final.
     
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  18. LameTennisPlayer

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    there are so many, Costa, Gaudio, Johansson,Krajicek, Muster, Gomez,

    I dont think anyone who wins a single slam should be labelled a 1 hit wonder, it should be reserved for players that reached #1 who were underachievers someone like Marcelo Rios
     
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  19. adizzy

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    huh?

    How can Hewitt be a one hit wonder if he won two slams? Hewitt was def. def. not in the category. I don't think Roddick is either, but it is argueable.
     
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  20. kOaMaster

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    muster was #1 iirc.
    and can't even put gomez in the picture. what did he win?
     
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    I would agree with you on the age of people's primes. Most people's bodies are not developed enough to be in their prime when they are 20. Look at Roddick at 20 and now. He is much more muscular and mature now. Though he did win his slam when he was younger so this point may not work in tennis. Rafa may be past his prime already if his body truly is already breaking down. More or less depends on the person but generally your prime will be more mid 20s (just maybe not for tennis). Another example is baseball where you always hear people talk about the breakout or best year for a player being around the age of 27.

    And no, they are not one hit wonders. Hewitt has won 2 as other posters have said so he is out. And Roddick may have only won one but he has been to others and has been in the top 10 for many consecutive years (don't remember how many).
     
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    I don't think you can be #1 in the world and be a one hit wonder. To get to #1 you need lots of consistency - wins and titles - over a one year period.

    A one hit wonder would be someone who came from nowhere, won a big title, then disappeared.

    A good example would be Roberto Carretero
    in 1996 Roberto Carretero won the Hamburg Masters Series as a qualifier. He only had 23 tour level match wins in his whole career, but 6 of them were during that one week in Hamburg! Unbelievable.
     
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  23. Don Felder

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    I think people forget that before the rise of Federer, Hewitt was pretty much the guy to beat for a long time. He was incredible for a few years of his run.

    He had a great career, no matter what his record is against Fed.
     
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    Would you guys really consider Krajicek a one hit wonder?

    That's a shame for the poor guy. He could have hurt Sampras a lot more consistently if his body wasn't so terribly injury prone. That guy was really good. Made semis at the US Open as well. Not even in the same year. Think he was legit, just a lot of bad luck.
     
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    I say it coz these players couldnt do it again ie manage another slam final. If they were good they should have made another final if not win it so as not to make it look fluke. But some players just play out of their mind in 1 tournament never to return to the same form. Hence the title - one hit wonder
     
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    Well Injury does play a big role in a players career and they might be given benefit of doubt.
     
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    By those standards I wouldn't consider Krajicek's win a fluke. Gaudio was no fluke either. he just couldnt keep it up very long. But he was good in 2005 as well.
     
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    Thanks everybody for giving me some input here :)

    Yeah, I don't think neither Roddick or Hewitt can be called one-hit wonder. I'm just gonna stop arguing with the guy since he's pretty damn sure those two are one-hit wonder. I'm just gonna let him live with his own belief.

    Anyway, I did googled "one-hit wonder tennis player" and several names came up : Stich, Chang, Korda, Gaudio. I'm surprised Chang was considered as one.

    Were there any players that ever reached #1 spot when she/he still 20-21 yrs old?
     
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    That guy has made up his mind.Dont bother debating.In any sense or opinion Roddick and hewitt cant be considered one hit wonders.
     
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  30. joeri888

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    Hewitt comes to mind. Lots of others as well. Borg I think, Becker was youngest wimbledon winner so probably him too. Tons of others. Federer was a late bloomer, and Nadal had enough points but Federer in his way.
     
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    I don't think Roddick is a one-hit wonder, he was just born in the wrong era (seriously). He's made it to, what, 5 GS finals and lost in 4 all to the same guy? If he had lost to 5 different players that's somewhat different bc then you can say he just chokes in finals but he's been playing the GOAT so no shame in losing.

    Regarding peak years, I think it varies from person to person. I would say 20-28 with some peaking in the beginning of that time span and others towards the end.
     
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    While I wouldn't say that Hewitt is a one hit wonder I do think he had his best results during 2000-2003 when you were basically in between the respective eras of Sampras and Federer. He had the opportunity to win against other good, but not great, players and he took advantage of it. Credit to him.

    Similarly, I think Agassi also benefited from that. I really don't consider Agassi an all-time great and can't believe the ATP uses a silhouette of him in their logo and not Sampras. It's pitiful. And half of his GSs are from the AO. Not to diss the AO but the all-time great players do well at FO and Wimby as well. In my view, Agassi was a very good player who had some ups and downs in his career but was able to play at a high level, especially in his later years, to take advantage of opportunities when they came up. Apart from a great return of serve, he didn't have any other really big weapons, very solid groundstrokes obviously, but if you put him up against the other all time greats, I just don't think he has the firepower. I really don't get why some consider him one of the all-time greats. Maybe his longevity scored him some major brownie points for those ppl. Don't get me wrong, I would still consider him a great player but I would never put him above Becker an Edberg, as some ppl do.

    And when Federer retires, the one good thing that could happen is that they finally replace Agassi with Federer in the ATP logo. It's really shameful to have Agassi in there.
     
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    LOL! Foolish, foolish Dwhiteside....shhhh...the 7 yr olds arguing, please do not try to interject any rational reasoning. Next discussion: who's stronger Federer, Superman, or the Hulk? Oops, no, that's too well defined...who's BETTER: Superman, Federer, or the Hulk?

    PS. Situation resolved....the OP googled "one hit wonder"...now he knows the answer and has proved himself right! ;-)
     
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    Mark Edmondson beat John Newcombe at the Australian Open.
     
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    1. roddick is definitely not a 1-hit wonder. hewitt isn't either, he is a 2 hit wonder

    2. I would say, 22-26 is their prime also. 20-24 is far too young.
     
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    the names listed are in response to Valiants suggestion that 1 hit wonders should be those who won a single GS but was never a finalist; Muster only won FO'95, also never a finalist, Gomez also makes that list, he won FO '90.
     
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    In that case, Ivanisevic is a prime example...
     
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    are u saying that u can win a GS by fluke, and still be a bad player because u havent won another, or became a finalist. I'm purely stating that alot of players come under your definition of 1 hit wonders.
     
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    Ask Marcelo Rios, or any other former #1 slamless player if they would trade it for a Grand Slam win, I'm pretty sure they would.
     
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    There isn't any other slamless #1 player!?
     
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    therefore a 1 hit wonder....
     
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    Hewitt was 20 when he reached #1
     
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    How are Hewitt and Roddick one hit wonders? Hewitt was number 1 in the world for 80 weeks between November 2001 and June 2003 and he's managed to win 2 slams (2001 US Open, 2002 Wimbledon), 2 YECs (2001 and 2002), 2 masters series events (Indian Wells 2002 and 2003), and 2 Davis Cups with Australia (1999 and 2003).

    Roddick was number 1 in the world for 13 weeks between November 2003 and February 2004 and he's managed to win 1 slam (2003 US Open), 4 masters series events (2003 Montreal, 2003 Cincinnati, 2004 Miami, 2006 Cincinnati), and 1 Davis Cup (2007). He has also been consistently in the top 10 for years.

    These are hardly the descriptions of one-hit wonders. For one hit wonders, look at someone like Roberto Carretero (1996 Hamburg winner) and Albert Portas (2001 Hamburg winner).

    Although Ivan Lendl was still slamless when he first became number 1 on the 28th February 1983.
     
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    The noob on the other forum is foolish then. Roddick and hewitt are top 5 players of this decade.
     
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    I think Roddick is one of two players who have remained in the top 10 for the past 10 years or so. The other player who has this distinction is no 1 hit wonder either. In fact, I believe it was this same player who prevented Roddick from becoming a 2 slam winner....Roger somebody?
     
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    Generally, the expression "one hit wonder" when applied to tennis refers to one-slam winners. In that regard, Roddick is indeed a one hit wonder. His longevity and finals appearaces do not change that fact, thus other stats are irrelevant.
     
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    The term 'one hit wonder' is ideally used in music which usually means an individual or group who has had a 'musical' hit with no future success....

    if we relate this to tennis terms, I would agree with Valiants idea of adding the additional constituent of being unable to make another final it would lead to my list of Costa, Gaudio, Johansson,Krajicek, Muster, Gomez... single slam winners who were never finalists. I
    t's really all semantics on the whole 'one hit wonder' as there is no real definition.
     
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    Muster won 44 career titles. He was ranked number 1 in the world for 6 weeks between February and April 1996, won the 1995 French Open and 8 masters series titles (1990 Rome, 1992 Monte Carlo, 1995 Monte Carlo, 1995 Rome, 1995 Essen, 1996 Monte Carlo, 1996 Rome, 1997 Miami). He was no "one-hit wonder".
     
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    Plus he got hurt, he might have won another slam.
     
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    Which is the main reason why he didn't play too many matches on hardcourt as he would have otherwise. Clay was a lot more forgiving to his knee.
     
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