One Terrorist Down -- A Few Hundred To Go

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  1. Kaptain Karl

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    I am so sick of these vermin. I'm glad another one has bitten the dust.

    Hezbollah deputy commander Imad Hezbollah deputy commander Imad Mughniyah was recently killed by a car bomb in Syria.



    [He] was responsible for numerous infamous deadly attacks against the U.S. and Israel, including involvement in the 1983 bombing of a U.S. Marine barracks in Lebanon.

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    He was Israel's No. 1 most-wanted terrorist, even ahead of Hezbollah chieftain Hassan Nasrallah. Mughniyah was considered one of the most dangerous terrorists in the world by Western intelligence agencies.

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    Danny Yatom, a former Mossad chief and current Knesset member, said Mughniyah's death was "a great achievement for the free world in its fight on terror. Mughniyah was one of the most dangerous and cruel terrorists of all time.




    On the other hand...
    Hezbollah issued a statement declaring, "With all pride we declare a great jihadist leader of the Islamic resistance in Lebanon joining the martyrs."



    http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=56294

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    I guess I'm happy he's dead, but it doesn't solve the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, or the Israeli-Hezbollah conflict. Violence will continue, other terrorists will assume his position.

    -Adam :)
     
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    Another one bites the dust
    Another one bites the dust
    And another one gone, and another one gone
    Another one bites the dust
    Hey, I'm gonna get you too
    Another one bites the dust


    He had so many enemies, it'd unknown who did it, but as always, Israel is the first to get the blame...
     
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    Terrorists are like rats: every time one dies, 5 more spring up. The most frightening thing I read recently was the discovery of the children's terrorist camp. Was on CNN. Showed kids practicing terrorist actions. Very, very sad. I can't imagine not being able to be a kid. I mean, how do these kids wind down at the end of the day? So much for playing with GI Joe. Guess they take GI Joe, laden him with C4, stick him in a dune, blow him up from a distance, and then laugh? How sad.
     
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    "Israel is the first to get the blame..."

    You mean the credit.
     
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    I also believe everything I read.
     
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    I am never "happy" when someone dies. It is a death. I am not happy nor sad. In his case it is a sad end to an even sadder life, one spent in the warrant of death and destruction. While I am very glad that this sort of person is no longer able to do as they wish, however, if I find joy in his death. . .then I am really no better than him.

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    I wonder if the boogey man will ever die.
     
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    Well, its one thing to have a feeling, its another thing to commit mass murder.

    There is a hierarchy of evil.

    Mss murderers are on one end of the hierarchy, those feeling good about the death of a mass murderer aren't anywhere near them in the hierarchy.
     
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    i couldnt agree more. well put.
     
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    The "could be so much worse" argument just does not fly with me. Now, there are people so filled with grief because to terrorism, that I cannot imagine, I certainly do not hold it against them if they do find joy, or lightening of mood in such occasions. Sometimes you have to take the emotions you can still feel when you get the chance.

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    So what would your response be to know "the next" Hussein, Pol Pot, Bin Laden or Hitler was stopped, caught and killed? I'm really interested to know.

    I don't know if it makes a difference to you, but when such vermin are permanently stopped I do, indeed, have a sense of satisfaction. I am glad for those who these scum have tormented and terrorized, that they do not have such evil stalking them -- in *that* form of slime -- anymore.

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    Good! and thank god he wasn't captured by the Americans as there would be millions of idiots calling for the US not to violate his "civil rights".
     
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    What you seem to be going through is the process of trying to find a way to get me to give you the answer you want. A better question would be, will you keep changing the question until you get the response you prefer? That is a game I will not play. Respects.

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    Some of you may want to check out a movie

    It's Called ISLAM - What the west needs to know

    http://openflv.com/watch?v=OTA5Mzk4MA==&p=0


    I've checked some of the highlights of the movie with a Muslim friend and he said it was mostly accurate, although somewhat overstated. He admitted that many people that are more conservative think and act like the ones in this documentary.
     
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    I say this in jest, cuz I'm sure people will take offense and derail the thread, but don't you mean millions of Liberals? :twisted:
     
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    You're a daisy if you do.
     
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    There is no good death in this world. But, if the only way to stop a person from killing in mass quantities and instilling terror is death; then that a good resolution.

    Like KK put in the title of the thread: A few hundred to go...that is scary in the fact that we'll have to see the death of couple hundred people just to save a lot more.

    Unfortunately, the world has changed.
     
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    Probably more like hundred thousands......
     
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    I don't believe anyone is evil. Rather, I believe tragic circumstances force people to do evil things.

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    No one person is born inherently evil, it is the choices they make that determine if they are good or bad. I think over the course of a lifetime a person can become evil. Look at Hitler, that was one evil SOB. Charles Manson is another one, and Bundy too.

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    I agree. Despite what newspapers say, most things aren't black and white. Many things are shades of grey.
     
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    what about when people do evil things when there are no "tragic circumstances" there to "make" them do those evil things?
     
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    Evil or just delusional? Hilter did believe what he was doing was right.

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    i think this is more accurate than the idea that there are no evil people...
     
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  26. AM28143

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    Name one.

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    i guess you could just look at every evil person and say they must be delusional... but even if they are delusional does that mean they can't also be evil? sounds like a cop out to me.
     
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    surprised you can't think of any yourself. pro already named a few... but rapists, serial killers, terrorists, pedophiles... they are countless. to name one wouldn't do the rest of them justice...
     
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    SF, that was a weaksauce dodge. If you don't have an opinion, don't pretend to be so "above it all." You pretend I'm somehow manipulating you, when all I did was seek to find some "boundary" to your loftiness.

    Good grief!

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    I very respectfully, but **STRONGLY** disagree.

    Yes, somtimes people are "forced" by certain circumstances to **choose* to do bad things. Such as a father protecting his family forced to protect his family by killing an intruder to his home.

    But many times, people **choose** to do bad things even though there has not been any tragedy in their lives.
     
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    Many times it's not their choice, if you are taught to hate since you're a baby, it's virtually impossible to "find your way".....
     
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    yeah, big difference there. it is interesting how people talk about circumstances that "force" or "make" people do certain things. to say there are NO evil people seems like a stretch to me.

    i guess calling mass murderers, serial killers, rapists, etc JUST DELUSIONAL gets them off the hook! i mean, they are JUST DELUSIONAL, that is all...
     
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    They're not evil, but rather very, very, very confused about life and who they are. They truely believe what they are doing is fine, or necessary in some way. People don't do things because they know it is wrong and evil. Rapists, serial killers, terrorists, pedophiles, ect. feel that what they are doing is either right or impossible to stop.

    -Adam :)
     
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    i don't know about "many times". that might be the case here or there, but there are plenty of people with "normal" upbringings who end up doing horrible things. there are examples of evil people who had siblings, and their siblings weren't going around doing these evil things. so i don't know that blaming it on a thousand other things gets evil people off the hook. i agree we would have to look at each case seperately... but some people make evil choices for whatever reason... and im not going to go out looking for excuses for them...
     
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    so because it is impossible to stop it isn't evil??? can you give me some names of rapists and or serial killers that thought that what they did was right? im guessing they are few and far between...

    why do you want to give evil people a pass just because they "think it is alright or impossible to stop" or any other nonsense? how can you think they aren't evil?
     
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    What they are doing is evil, but they are not evil themselves. No one is evil. However, certain circumstances, will force ANYONE to do evil things.

    If you grew up in Germany in the 1930s, most likely you'd hate Jews and want them to die. You'd think, and possible do, evil things. However, as with you today, you wouldn't be evil.

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    This is not entirely true. I have extensive experience working with many of the polulations you mention. Although many of them you have characterized very well, not all of them fall into this definition.

    For instance, I have worked extensivley with juvenile sex offenders. Many of them know what they did/are doing is wrong, but yet they still do it. Furthermore, many of them come from great homes, have never been the victims of molestation themsleves, etc.

    It just isn't always as simple as 'the devil made me do it", or some outer entity/influence.
     
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    your view of the world is very... interesting! im sure mine is too...

    but i am still waiting for a few names you were coming up with...
     
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    How do you know? Victims of rape, ect. often do not admit to it.

    Nevertheless, I do respect your approach, and I think we have to agree to disagree.

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    that is what i was getting at... but didn't think i had to explain it in such simple terms... it isn't too hard to figure out! but thanks for pointing it out. i don't understand why people can't hold people accountable for their actions. just call them delusional and give them a pass.

    i think raping, murdering, then eating people is ok to do. but since i am obviously just "really really confused about life" then im not evil. im "just delusional"! so guys... please don't judge me if i rape, murder, then eat little children. im not evil, really...
     
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    Rapists usually don't believe what they're doing is right (which is evidence that they're not evil), however, they often do feel that they can't stop themselves, for whatever reasons.

    -Adam :)
     
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    Somehow because I do not wish to play a game that makes it a dodge? I expressed my opinion to the thread. I believe you are trying to re-frame the issue to get the response you are looking for. It is simply not a game I play. As well, I do not particularly care for your use of the word "pretend:"
    That frames it as if I either, do not actually believe what I am stating, or my opinion is not based in reality but it is all pretend. You are manipulating, which was your word. If I state something then it is an opinion, it is my reality as I see it. I am pretending nothing.

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    Adam, I work in the mental health field. For 8 years I directed a residential treatment center for youth who had life felonies for sexual offenses. yes, life felonies, meaning they are never getting out of a prison system. Yes, many times victims of rape or molestation will not tell. However, thru psycho therapy and building trusting relationships with these children over the period of several years>>> many things come out, including more offenses than originally thought. And one thing that always comes out during this time is any abuse they may have suffered. remember, there would be more leniency on them if they are the victims of abuse. Looking at a life-long prison sentence would make them come out and say if they were abused.

    Thru the course of that time, one with experience will find out if they were ever victimized.

    Sometimes, we have to accept that people just do bad things and there is no "logical" reason for it.
     
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    seems to contradict your last statement. and i haven't seen names. are you just making stuff up or can't find names or just confused?

    i don't understand the logic of "they can't stop, therefore they are not evil". the fact that they can't stop doing things that they know are evil does not mean they are not evil! i don't know how you came up with that logic... but it doesn't make sense.
     
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    Some fail to remember being raped. I had a friend who was raped when he was 12, and, unitl recently, had no memory of it. I did, however, affect his mental health in obvious ways (he tried to kill himself 3-4 times).

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    I feel calling people "evil" is a simple way of explaining the flaws in our society. Terrorists are not evil, they honestly do believe their actions are right (that's why they continue to do them). And, anyway, you know what---many terrorists do have reasons to dislike Americans or America. The term "evil" was created to make complex problems appear simple. "Hitler was evil," that's the only reason WWII happened. It's annoying

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    do you not believe drak? he has been very honest, telling you that he even works in the mental health field.. yet it seems like you won't accept that he knows what he is talking about...
     
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    so because someone has feelings and/or reasons to dislike america then they aren't evil for committing evil crimes like acts of terrorism? i could almost let the first part of your post slide (if they think it is right... then ok i won't call them evil) but then you go on to talk about them having reasons for disliking americans as if it justifies terrorism!!!
     
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    not as annoying as "hitler was delusional" so get off his back. he thought what he was doing what was right... he is ok in my book!
     
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