Only 3 Real GOATS

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  1. hoodjem

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    By 1964, Laver had caught up with Muscles and got him back at the Wembley Pro: 7–5, 4–6, 5–7, 8–6, 8–6.
     
  2. BobbyOne

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    hoodjem, I only know the top four: Hoad, Gonzalez, Laver, Federer. Rosewall surely refers to peak play. He is expert enough to know that Hoad's achievements don't qualify for the top place.
     
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  3. hoodjem

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    An interesting interpretation.
     
  4. BobbyOne

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    hoodjem, at least a better one than Dan's.
     
  5. NatF

    NatF G.O.A.T.

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    Is that a yes he had just moved up from the amateurs?
     
  6. CyBorg

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    I don't even remember posting that. Not bad.
     
  7. BobbyOne

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    Why always suggetive questions? Do you doubt EVERY statement of mine?

    Laver in summer 1963 was far better than in his last amateur year (in which he won 22 tournaments).
     
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    Ofcourse I don't doubt every statement, however we both know that Laver took some time to peak in the pro's. Considering he won the Amateur slam in 1962 I assume he wasn't at his best when Rosewall beat him quite badly. Rosewall who was at his peak at the time. A better indicator would be a match when both were peaking.
     
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    NatF, As Joe McCauley wrote: Laver was a quick learner. He improved immensely in the first 6 months of 1963.
     
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    Laver was the best pro by 1964 or 1965
    Gonzales had to wait Kramer to retire and Rosewall Gonzales to decline
     
  11. Dan Lobb

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    Laver played private matches against Rosewall and Hoad in 1962 to prepare himself for the pro tour.
    It was known by end of October 1962 at the latest that Laver would tour against Rosewall and Hoad, as this was when Hoad went into training for the Laver tour.
    Laver looked good early in January 1963 against Rosewall and Hoad, beating Rosewall in the most important match of the Australian tour at Kooyong on television, and the night before pushing Hoad to 6-3 in the fifth set.
     
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    I think it took Laver most of 1963 to "catch up" to the pros. But by the end of '63, he was the second-ranked player in the world. By the end of 1964 he was world no. 1.
     
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    hoodjem, Laver was No.2 already after the early world tour of 1963 and seeded two in the summer events.

    Rosewall was the official No.1 player in 1964 because he won the big tour. I give Laver a tied No.1 place.
     
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    True. But I believe that by the end of 1964, Laver was superior in ability and achievements--just barely.

    I believe that he earned his place as World no. 1 for 1964.


    1960—Rosewall
    1961—Rosewall
    1962—Rosewall
    1963—Rosewall(4)
    1964—Laver
    1965—Laver
    1966—Laver
    1967—Laver
    1968—Laver
    1969—Laver
    1970—Laver(7)
     
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    Does Natf spells for Nationalfedererismus?

    In that case, you should pay me a royalty:confused:
     
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    hoodjem, Also for 1970 I would give Rosewall (and maybe Newcombe) tied No.1 places.
     
  17. hoodjem

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    You might, monsieur, you might.
     
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    Like how you imagine Federer was at his peak ?
     

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