Only 4 More Days for Real 10U Open Level Tennis

Discussion in 'Junior League & Tournament Talk' started by LMK5, Dec 26, 2011.

  1. Pro_Tour_630

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    just an example, the wealthy kids in one very affluent town has a very high obesity level, while the next door town in the inner city their HS kids are winning nationals in football/basketball etc...... makes you wonder? why?
     
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    Athleticism:
    1. Athleticism is the quality of being coordinated and physically strong while also having stamina and coordination. (noun)
    2. Of or befitting athletics or athletes.
    3. Characterized by or involving physical activity or exertion; active: an athletic lifestyle; an athletic child.
    4. Physically strong and well-developed; muscular: an actor with an athletic build. See Synonyms at muscular.
     
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    Disagree, politely of course, the NE kids are hungry, but for the IVIE's.
    Most kids I know are studying all weekend.

    Interesting, TCF, about the weather.

    The hottest place this summer was Little Rock.
    The first day, I threw up and I wasn't even playing.
    120 on the court.

    Meanwhile, after that, Florida, for Clay courts, was cool.

    My issue with Florida on some parts of the coast, Naples this summer,
    and Coral Gables this winter, are the no - see - ums ( small tiny mosquitoes)
    that give me about a hundred bites that swell into quarters.

    I would rather have 6 feet of snow and collapsed tennis bubbles than deal with those bugs.
     
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  4. TennisCoachFLA

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    Imagine this dynamic. A kid from an affluent family, goes from air conditioned house to air conditioned private school, to air conditioned mall. Mom drops him off to tennis practice in July in their air conditioned Escalade.

    And I then try to get him to hustle around in the heat and humidity for an hour! I have about a dozen of those types, man does every upper income mom have to get the Escalade? Its like a cliche down here, now Land Rovers are becoming the new mom vehicle though. Escalades are so 2 years ago!
     
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    Too funny.
     
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    Ha, I edited that post. I forgot to mention the Escalades are slowly being replaced by Land Rovers. It is comical....every upscale mom down here used to have a white diamond colored Escalade. Now they are being replaced by Land Rovers.

    Its like a memo goes out and they all make the switch.
     
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  7. Pro_Tour_630

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    all our mom's ( soccer moms etc..) have vans, $45K vans.......NE'ers are more practical :)
     
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  8. Pro_Tour_630

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    another more than 15 players playing U12 green ball, notice almost all of them were previous U10 green ball players, so they are basically playing each other only now it is called U12 :)

    http://tennislink.usta.com/TOURNAMENTS/TournamentHome_New/Tournament.aspx?T=109836

    anyway what I noticed from over one year on green was if the ball was not pressurized in a can, it is flat and the kids resort to slicing forhands and drop shots to win. They are not constructing points from the baseline, but trying to deaden the bounce. Sure they are developing FH slices/drops but they are not improving the baseline groundstrokes. This is not going to get you ready for the U12 using regulation. If the green dot ball is used which is pressurized, then there might be a little hope since the ball bounces higher/faster.

    anyway, just want to say so long green ball it has been a great experience , overall if we had to do it again, we would not go green past 9 year olds that are advance.
     
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    Good, last weekend a usually big weekend for Tournaments (first of year) turnout for our 10U, 11U Green Ball is just horrible. Several events no Boys or No Girls and most had single digit entrants.

    In SoFla this is POOR. I don't have to speculate as I talked to many parents at many events this year, and they are just not buying it.

    Biggest issue is not the Parents the Coaches aren't teaching it, and the clubs are being forced to add these formats to get the tournaments. The USTA in florida is mailing me stuff every week it seems. Figure they would search their Database and figure any parents that were members last year probably ain't gonna want the 10U mailouts.
     
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    it seems the folks in FL are elitist when it comes to tennis, we in NE are trailblazers, in time either the rest of the country will follow us or they will fold. Reminds me of things popping up in Ca first then the rest of the country follows several years later. Play and stay oversee has been a success since 2007 we caught on a little late.
     
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    Yes we are :) I thought everyone knew that :confused:

    See I know you now Pro and your playfull bantar is exactly what some of the Junior Parents need.

    So yes as the center of the Tennis Universe :wink: I forsee the USTA changing the Mandatory age thing by years end.
     
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    isn't that how the civil war started, :)
     
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    I'm seeing the same thing here in SoCal. The lesson is a simple one: inflexible age-based mandates are bad for business (the USTA) and the customer (juniors and their parents).

    The simple win-win solution is to allow novice kids of all ages the option of playing with the lower pressure balls, while allowing the advanced levels of all ages to continue on their present path with the yellow.

    Why the powers-that-be don't see this is beyond me.
     
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    With 100% confidence they do KNOW this. The Centers, Pros (not all), Mfgs Companies pushed this. One Pro @ a USTA Team Event even stated how his revenues were up. Another stated there was an initial bump but after the real work was to start the kids are dropping off.

    At this Team Event some parents saw my (then 8yo) playing and were amazed and asked how she liked 10U. I told them she never played it, but I didn't tell them it wasn't a good tool.

    As with all products (Betamax) Consumers will drive the Market (Good or Bad) ultimately the USTA IMHO just didn't figure folks would have an issue paying $$$$ for a different style of teaching tennis.

    All of this is MOOT because since it's not free I don't have to participate, and most Pro's will use whatever system you want. If they are good old Yellow balls do just fine as do the whole 10U system.
     
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    This is such a good idea, they should market the slower balls to all ages. I always see adults at our park trying to play tennis, husband and wife, and other groups or pairs. The balls are all over the place and they seem to get angry and leave quickly. Many of the kids learn so fast. In a weird way the slower balls might grow the game faster for weekend warrior grown ups and let the kids use whatever balls their skills allow them to use.
     
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    Well put. In other words, training wheels should be available to all those who need it, not just those who happen to fall within a certain age bracket.
     
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    they are, green ball will go all the way up U12 U14 U16..... to adults
     
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    ^That is genius. I love green dot balls for young kids the way I love using dead balls when I hit with a non-tennis-playing friend. Of course, I would not want to actually compete with them myself...but they are fun for rallying with my wife or a buddy who never plays.

    I have not bought a bucket of the green balls...or a case of them in cans (firmer, I have noticed). Are they consistent? Do they last? Are they better than the old dead balls in my hopper? Can I just use a bingo marker or some stencil ink on an old dead ball? Or will that throw off the whole capitalist scheme behind green balls?

    I don't want to do anything to anger the USTA, the TIA, Wilson or whomever.

    Thank you.
     
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  20. LMK5

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    You mean, the USTA isn't just trying to make it convenient for us by providing the "Buy the Equipment" link on their website?:?
     
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    hahha...I think I get it now....
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKBRtdp2e98
     
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    Oh oh now you have done it:) next you will be setting up tents outside USTA, ITF and Wilson head quarters handing out bingo markers to bring down the whole capitalist ponzi scheme
     
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    Hhahaha, 'occupy Mamaroneck Avenue'!
    I assure you this: my tent will be homemade. I'm angry at the North Face people, too (because they're turning into the 1%ers).

    But seriously, I really am considering buying some green balls. Can you guys answer my Qs?
    Thank you.
     
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  24. Pro_Tour_630

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    Many years ago wilson was trying to slow the game down for everyone by introducing a ball called Wilson RALLY it was bigger, it did not catch on. The evil capitalists are at it again with these colored balls :)

    Hey the chinese did it with ping pong and slowed the game, they went from a 38mm ball to a 40mm ball. What is all the fuss, it is only 2mm:confused: The once pure communist empire is now an evil capitalist empire :)
     
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  26. slice bh compliment

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    They lost some money on that Rally concept. So did the others who followed (I still have a can of the Dunlop one. New molds, new cans, too.

    But it gave rise to the Gamma and Dunlop foam balls, which were really great for development.
     
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    Are they consistent?

    Yes, they are but not all of them. The ones that say "quickstart" are being upgraded to be more consistent ball that lasts. I have tried them and I think they are the same. They fuss up quick and turn orange like rather quickly.

    Do they last?

    Again not all of them. I have found the Dunlop stage 1 lasts the most and is most consistent. Because they are pressurized in a can. Wilson does have the green dot which is second best but not as good as the dunlop, IMO. Prince has loose green dots in a bag but they do not bounce as high as the dunlop, nor feel as solid. Prince also has the green dot in a can but the ones I have seen are not pressurized, that might change.

    Are they better than the old dead balls in my hopper?

    They are better, IMO , because the old balls in your hopper are heavier and are all over the place in terms of bounce and felt/feel.

    Can I just use a bingo marker or some stencil ink on an old dead ball?

    Yes you can, which is a nice idea, you can separate the different types of balls, in terms of life. I have many sets of balls that I use for different occasions.


    I have two large supermarket baskets for my HS tennis team, which have all types of balls you can imagine.

    I have one 75 hopper that is new so the HS kids can practice on before matches, once they are used on several practices they are thrown in the large supermarket baskets.

    The used match balls are also thrown into the two supermarket baskets, etc..

    For my two kids, one is 6 and the other 9.

    The 6 year old has a hopper of very old flat yellow balls and a hopper of red balls and a hopper of orange.

    The 9 year old had a hopper of dunlop green dot ball and a hopper of Orange practice balls which are just as heavy as yellow only they bounce lower, NOW we have a hopper of yellow balls that have been used once.

    For my wife and I, we have a hopper for the ball machine that is pressureless treton Micro X, they last the longest out of all the balls IMO but they are so expensive that I am now on Wilson Team pressureless balls because they are 1/4 of the price.

    Hope this helps, i know I am a ball junkie:oops:, I have over 40 students, two kids, one plays competitively and a wife who plays nationally.
     
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